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ANOTHER NEW AM COMING
- Thread starter jonbruce
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I have a GREAT idea for another Vegas AM.. (1) You sell chunks of your day in say 30 or 60 minute blocks to advertisers who in turn produce "fake" informative programs. (2) You call it "Lifestyle Radio" (3) I'll then have the cleanest colon, the youngest skin and the latest snake oil to keep me healthy so I can live forever buying all this crap.
Oh, nevermind... I just described KDWN.. Sorry.. My bad
Oh, nevermind... I just described KDWN.. Sorry.. My bad
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Bianco500
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AM will be dead in 20 years.
They need to epxand the FM band instead.
They need to epxand the FM band instead.
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LVRadioguy
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and video killed the radio star
you mean there might be an alternative to stock, hannity, limbaugh and dr lara? not to mention the headcase savage. bring it on, but please no combs (hannity's bootlicker) of al franken. How about some folks who talk like they care about The USA rather the United States of Republica or Democratia. illegal immigration is bringing the country to its' knees and so is Bush...and hillary is not the solution nor the other imitators running for prez. I guess we just have to settle for the best of a rotten bunch. 
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ABQTom
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Vegas doesn't have a progressive STATION yet, just a progressive host, Doug Basham....
They could put on Basham, Schultz, Steph Miller, Hartmann, Peter B. Collins, and Colmes....
They could put on Basham, Schultz, Steph Miller, Hartmann, Peter B. Collins, and Colmes....
ABQTom said:
Outside of Portland, has progressive (read: Liberal) talk radio had any success? With as much people out there who hate/loathe Bush and the Republican party, Air America should be over-the-top Number One accross the board. FOX NEWS ALERT: It isn't!!!
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ABQTom
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Yes.
Look at KGO-AM 810 (Citadel) San Francisco. 6 shares 12+ for years, mostly live, local, liberal programs.
Look at KIRO-AM 710 (Entercom now Bonneville) Seattle. 6 shares 12+ for years when they were mostly liberal. As soon as they started firing liberal hosts, replacing w/ conservatives, they dropped to 4 shares 12+, since listeners went to the new liberal station - KPTK-AM 1090.
Look at KABQ-AM 1350 Albuquerque - record ratings for Spring 2007
Miami, San Diego, Denver are other very successful liberal stations.
Finally, Talkers Mag reports anywhere from 1 to 3 million listeners - 12+ cume - for liberal talkers Ed Schultz, Stephanie Miller, Alan colmes, Lionel, etc. etc. (see their website)
Am I allowed to quote 12+ shares on radio and records? If not please expunge, sorry.
Liberal radio does best in markets with higher ethnic diversity and companies moving into the area, like Albuquerque, San Diego, Seattle, San Francisco, and Miami.
Look at KGO-AM 810 (Citadel) San Francisco. 6 shares 12+ for years, mostly live, local, liberal programs.
Look at KIRO-AM 710 (Entercom now Bonneville) Seattle. 6 shares 12+ for years when they were mostly liberal. As soon as they started firing liberal hosts, replacing w/ conservatives, they dropped to 4 shares 12+, since listeners went to the new liberal station - KPTK-AM 1090.
Look at KABQ-AM 1350 Albuquerque - record ratings for Spring 2007
Miami, San Diego, Denver are other very successful liberal stations.
Finally, Talkers Mag reports anywhere from 1 to 3 million listeners - 12+ cume - for liberal talkers Ed Schultz, Stephanie Miller, Alan colmes, Lionel, etc. etc. (see their website)
Am I allowed to quote 12+ shares on radio and records? If not please expunge, sorry.
Liberal radio does best in markets with higher ethnic diversity and companies moving into the area, like Albuquerque, San Diego, Seattle, San Francisco, and Miami.
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allvetsnv
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You are wrong about progressive talk in San Diego if it was doing so hot the station in San Diego wouldnt be flipping to Xtra Sports and In los Angeles a Very Left leaning city 1150am should be doing good but it gets creamed by KFI and KABC. The main money source at the LA station is infomercials. About NPR their numbers are warped since they don't subscribe to Arbitron they can claim whatever they want and I find it disturbing that some of the tax dollars that the broadcast companies/ Individual station owners pay to the federal goverment funds their competition in NPR. Lets face it Air America/Progressive radio is boring you can only keep your eyelids from closing so long by lstening to a host droan on in an un-entertaining way on how Bush sucks, how our military is murderers, why whitey is the root of all evil, how third world illegal aliens flooding our country is a good thing etc etc etc.. Bush bots like the Golfer,Wallbanger,the Lepri-CON and the little man that sounds like Charlie Chaplin can kiss Bushs but, hype up a dead end war in which the very administration they worship persecutes the Military men and women (the Bush Bot Hosts say they respect)by just doing their job; At least when the Bush Bots worship this crooked no good NWO Administration they do it in a some what entertaining way which can keep the eyes of their listeners open for about 10 minutes longer than Dead Air America/Unprogressive talk
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bilco
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Actually another AM will be on the air within weeks. KWWN, 1100 AM (20 KW days, 2 KW nights with two different directinal patterns) will be performing FCC required testing for most of the month of September with a random music and test tones format, but when ready to go with full fcc license will be Deportes, hispanic ESPN.
Bill Croghan
Chief Engineer, Lotus Las Vegas
KOMP/KXPT/KENO/KBAD/KWWN
Bill Croghan
Chief Engineer, Lotus Las Vegas
KOMP/KXPT/KENO/KBAD/KWWN
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ABQTom
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"You are wrong about progressive talk in San Diego if it was doing so hot the station in San Diego wouldnt be flipping to Xtra Sports"
Liberal talk has done very well in San Diego with Ed Schultz beating Sean Hannity. This format change hasn't been confirmed.
"In los Angeles a Very Left leaning city 1150am should be doing good but it gets creamed by KFI and KABC."
Except for KGO in San Francisco, there are no liberal stations in the top 25 markets that are beatings their conservative competitors for 12+ ratings. For 25-54? Different story, with Hartmann beating Limmaugh in a few markets, and Big Ed beating Hannity in numerous markets.
Because a lot of stations show up in the Arbitron ratings for Los Angeles on-line, the numbers for each station will be less than in a smaller market like Albuquerque where the top stations make 7-9 shares 12+.
" Lets face it Air America/Progressive radio is boring you can only keep your eyelids from closing so long by lstening to a host droan"
Who are you referring to? I can't respond unless I know what host you're talking about.
"on in an un-entertaining way on how Bush sucks, how our military is murderers, why whitey is the root of all evil, how third world illegal aliens flooding our country is a good thing etc etc etc.."
Goodness, you've never heard liberal radio, these positions are only taken by hosts on the "fringe" far left that don't get any ratings (unlike the names I mentioned).
I'm unclear what you mean by the remainder:
Bush bots like the Golfer,Wallbanger,the Lepri-CON and the little man that sounds like Charlie Chaplin can kiss Bushs but, hype up a dead end war in which the very administration they worship persecutes the Military men and women (the Bush Bot Hosts say they respect)by just doing their job; At least when the Bush Bots worship this crooked no good NWO Administration they do it in a some what entertaining way which can keep the eyes of their listeners open for about 10 minutes longer than Dead Air America/Unprogressive talk
Liberal talk has done very well in San Diego with Ed Schultz beating Sean Hannity. This format change hasn't been confirmed.
"In los Angeles a Very Left leaning city 1150am should be doing good but it gets creamed by KFI and KABC."
Except for KGO in San Francisco, there are no liberal stations in the top 25 markets that are beatings their conservative competitors for 12+ ratings. For 25-54? Different story, with Hartmann beating Limmaugh in a few markets, and Big Ed beating Hannity in numerous markets.
Because a lot of stations show up in the Arbitron ratings for Los Angeles on-line, the numbers for each station will be less than in a smaller market like Albuquerque where the top stations make 7-9 shares 12+.
" Lets face it Air America/Progressive radio is boring you can only keep your eyelids from closing so long by lstening to a host droan"
Who are you referring to? I can't respond unless I know what host you're talking about.
"on in an un-entertaining way on how Bush sucks, how our military is murderers, why whitey is the root of all evil, how third world illegal aliens flooding our country is a good thing etc etc etc.."
Goodness, you've never heard liberal radio, these positions are only taken by hosts on the "fringe" far left that don't get any ratings (unlike the names I mentioned).
I'm unclear what you mean by the remainder:
Bush bots like the Golfer,Wallbanger,the Lepri-CON and the little man that sounds like Charlie Chaplin can kiss Bushs but, hype up a dead end war in which the very administration they worship persecutes the Military men and women (the Bush Bot Hosts say they respect)by just doing their job; At least when the Bush Bots worship this crooked no good NWO Administration they do it in a some what entertaining way which can keep the eyes of their listeners open for about 10 minutes longer than Dead Air America/Unprogressive talk
Isn't it more likely Kemp would put a format on the AM that's sellable with their FM? Like maybe urban AC or motown oldies? Maybe there isn't enough audience for either one of those.
I can't see liberal/progressive talk doing well in LV. Talk doesn't do that well in the market, and the demos probably aren't right. LV is basically a blue collar town, except they work in casinos instead of factories.
I can't see liberal/progressive talk doing well in LV. Talk doesn't do that well in the market, and the demos probably aren't right. LV is basically a blue collar town, except they work in casinos instead of factories.
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BrandonVegas108
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Sounds good Bill. I've been wondering how good this signal is going to be. I guess I'll be finding out very soon!
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ABQTom
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"I can't see liberal/progressive talk doing well in LV. Talk doesn't do that well in the market, and the demos probably aren't right. LV is basically a blue collar town, except they work in casinos instead of factories."
Yes, and the Richard Florida Creative Class score is only in the 400's - compare that to over 1000 in San Francisco and Seattle. It would work with very entertaining, eclectic, personalities like Stephanie Miller, Ed Schultz, Doug Basham, and Lydia Cornell. Most of the Air America hosts are too academic for most of the Las Vegas demographic. Thom Hartmann and Randi Rhodes might be OK.
I would try to build a station around Stephanie Miller mornings 6A-9A, and then keep the humor going with Doug Basham and Lydia Cornell 9A-NOON.
Maybe Randi Rhodes live at NOON - More humor, although of an East Coast variety (vs. the morning hosts).
Ed Schultz delayed 3P-6P - More humor of a Midwest variety.
Hartmann is too serious, so delay him to 6P to maximize 6A-6P TSL?
And since it's a 24/7 town could try Steph Miller re-runs overnights.
Yes, and the Richard Florida Creative Class score is only in the 400's - compare that to over 1000 in San Francisco and Seattle. It would work with very entertaining, eclectic, personalities like Stephanie Miller, Ed Schultz, Doug Basham, and Lydia Cornell. Most of the Air America hosts are too academic for most of the Las Vegas demographic. Thom Hartmann and Randi Rhodes might be OK.
I would try to build a station around Stephanie Miller mornings 6A-9A, and then keep the humor going with Doug Basham and Lydia Cornell 9A-NOON.
Maybe Randi Rhodes live at NOON - More humor, although of an East Coast variety (vs. the morning hosts).
Ed Schultz delayed 3P-6P - More humor of a Midwest variety.
Hartmann is too serious, so delay him to 6P to maximize 6A-6P TSL?
And since it's a 24/7 town could try Steph Miller re-runs overnights.
ABQTom, I never heard of the Richard Florida creative class score until I read your post. I did some quick research and discovered that the only two cities that scored worse than Las Vegas were Norfolk Va and Memphis. Those happen to be two of the only markets where talk radio does worse than Las Vegas. Another poor talk radio market, Greensboro NC, ranks just above Las Vegas with Richard Florida..so there is a correlation between talk ratings and Richard Florida scores.
That being said, the talk share in Las Vegas is going up. If you look at the last trend, the combined 12+ talk share is the highest in recent memory. For the first time in LV history the talk share is actually higher than the country share (by a very slight margin).
Still I don't think that liberal talk radio would do well here at all. Yes, there has been a trend towards Democrat voting in Clark County, but that is largely due to Las Vegas becoming more ethnic. This isn't a liberal city and/or city where people enjoy talking politics like Portland, Seattle, San Francisco or Boston. This is an apolitical city with one of the nations lowest voter turnouts. Liberal talk would be lucky to crack a half a share here.
That being said, the talk share in Las Vegas is going up. If you look at the last trend, the combined 12+ talk share is the highest in recent memory. For the first time in LV history the talk share is actually higher than the country share (by a very slight margin).
Still I don't think that liberal talk radio would do well here at all. Yes, there has been a trend towards Democrat voting in Clark County, but that is largely due to Las Vegas becoming more ethnic. This isn't a liberal city and/or city where people enjoy talking politics like Portland, Seattle, San Francisco or Boston. This is an apolitical city with one of the nations lowest voter turnouts. Liberal talk would be lucky to crack a half a share here.
Guys,
Whether conservative or liberal, talk radio must be entertaining to sustain an audience. I have the ability to listen about 7 hours straight as I deliver my mail route each day. I know the average listening time is about 15 minutes, but I truly need entertainment to cover 7 hours. Locally, nothing can do it, even the 15 minutes. I'm a sport talk fan, but the juvenile, sophomoric talk on ESPN920 is embarrassing. With all the drinking and strip club stories (and commercials), I'd be slamming college radio to equate the two. In comparison to true sports talk (KNBR-San Francisco), it's sad to hear such beginner entertainer radio in what is now a good sized market.
I'll continue to bang the drum of Armstrong & Getty (KSTE.com for free podcasts) as entertaining, funny and topical. They're out of Sacramento, but the show is topic driven not location driven. Someone please give an hour listen & give me your thoughts. They could very well be in the Vegas market and get a great share if people are half as intelligent as I'm hoping. In regards to ESPN920...well, it's on for 15 minutes while I shower and it only makes me yearn for grown-ups talking intelligently about sports and not personal drinking stories and what they did with women.
Whether conservative or liberal, talk radio must be entertaining to sustain an audience. I have the ability to listen about 7 hours straight as I deliver my mail route each day. I know the average listening time is about 15 minutes, but I truly need entertainment to cover 7 hours. Locally, nothing can do it, even the 15 minutes. I'm a sport talk fan, but the juvenile, sophomoric talk on ESPN920 is embarrassing. With all the drinking and strip club stories (and commercials), I'd be slamming college radio to equate the two. In comparison to true sports talk (KNBR-San Francisco), it's sad to hear such beginner entertainer radio in what is now a good sized market.
I'll continue to bang the drum of Armstrong & Getty (KSTE.com for free podcasts) as entertaining, funny and topical. They're out of Sacramento, but the show is topic driven not location driven. Someone please give an hour listen & give me your thoughts. They could very well be in the Vegas market and get a great share if people are half as intelligent as I'm hoping. In regards to ESPN920...well, it's on for 15 minutes while I shower and it only makes me yearn for grown-ups talking intelligently about sports and not personal drinking stories and what they did with women.
Based on my 2005 visit to Vegas, I would say there is a HUGE Hispanic population. Someone out there, I am sure, has the ethnic breakdown of the city. A lot of Hispanics do like sports, moreover baseball. Add that to the NFL's push for Hispanic awareness in football, and I feel "ESPN Deportes" will do rather well. Will this turn into ratings success? Highly doubtful. BUT... will it sustain enough of a revenue flow? You bet!!! Remember: radio is a business, it's always revenue over ratings.
Bill, will they also carry Beisbol en Espanol, perhaps the Dodgers?
Bill, will they also carry Beisbol en Espanol, perhaps the Dodgers?
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ABQTom
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Jay F quote:
"ABQTom, I never heard of the Richard Florida creative class score until I read your post. I did some quick research and discovered that the only two cities that scored worse than Las Vegas were Norfolk Va and Memphis. Those happen to be two of the only markets where talk radio does worse than Las Vegas. Another poor talk radio market, Greensboro NC, ranks just above Las Vegas with Richard Florida..so there is a correlation between talk ratings and Richard Florida scores."
Jay F - Great work!!! I've been doing the exact same thing for Progressive talk hosts, where Ed Schultz and Air America get the best 12+ ratings. They correlate with the Florida creative class scores: San Francisco, Seattle, Portland, San Diego, Sacramento, Los Angeles, Albuquerque/Rio Rancho (KABQ just got record ratings for 25-54), Denver/Boulder, Minneapolis, Chicago (WCPT is a daytimer with a bad signal pattern, but reasonable ratings).
El Paso and Vegas are in the 400's on Florida's index, and the El Paso air america station there was cancelled.
Entercom just flipped their air america Memphis station to sports.
However - Ed Schultz and Alan Colmes sell in areas with low creative class scores - Ed has new stations in the Southeast like Auburn, Alabama.
Jay F Quote:
"That being said, the talk share in Las Vegas is going up. If you look at the last trend, the combined 12+ talk share is the highest in recent memory. For the first time in LV history the talk share is actually higher than the country share (by a very slight margin)."
Interesting!
Jay F Quote:
"Still I don't think that liberal talk radio would do well here at all. Yes, there has been a trend towards Democrat voting in Clark County, but that is largely due to Las Vegas becoming more ethnic. This isn't a liberal city and/or city where people enjoy talking politics like Portland, Seattle, San Francisco or Boston. This is an apolitical city with one of the nations lowest voter turnouts. Liberal talk would be lucky to crack a half a share here."
If KXNT has about 4 shares, with entertaining hosts like Rush and C2C, and one argues that liberal talk is based on entertainment value and *NOT* the political persuasion of the hosts, then I would say that it could do better than half a share. However, the intellectual discussions from Rachel Maddow and Hartmann would be too much for the average Vegas talk listener.
What do you think - do you think if someone got some really entertaining lib hosts together, that they could equal KXNT?
There is ONE place in the US where this has been occuring for years - KGO in San Francisco. But nobody ever pays attention to KGO. Brian Maloney as much as I disagree with comments on his blog once said something very insightful ... that if *HE* was Air America management, the FIRST THING HE WOULD DO would be to talk to the KGO managers! Absolutely! Liberals Talliaferro, Bernie Ward, Karel, Rothman, getting all those ratings and beating all the other San Francisco hosts in their time slots. Now KGO has the legendary GIL GROSS from ABC for afternoons!!! Mickey Luckoff, Jack Swanson, and Ken Berry are programming geniuses.
-AlbuquerqueTOM
btw - Florida changed his web site, he used to have a place to enter all this demographic info and it has dissapeared. Where did you find the actual scores, he seems to have taken them down, and all I've got is a paper copy.....
"ABQTom, I never heard of the Richard Florida creative class score until I read your post. I did some quick research and discovered that the only two cities that scored worse than Las Vegas were Norfolk Va and Memphis. Those happen to be two of the only markets where talk radio does worse than Las Vegas. Another poor talk radio market, Greensboro NC, ranks just above Las Vegas with Richard Florida..so there is a correlation between talk ratings and Richard Florida scores."
Jay F - Great work!!! I've been doing the exact same thing for Progressive talk hosts, where Ed Schultz and Air America get the best 12+ ratings. They correlate with the Florida creative class scores: San Francisco, Seattle, Portland, San Diego, Sacramento, Los Angeles, Albuquerque/Rio Rancho (KABQ just got record ratings for 25-54), Denver/Boulder, Minneapolis, Chicago (WCPT is a daytimer with a bad signal pattern, but reasonable ratings).
El Paso and Vegas are in the 400's on Florida's index, and the El Paso air america station there was cancelled.
Entercom just flipped their air america Memphis station to sports.
However - Ed Schultz and Alan Colmes sell in areas with low creative class scores - Ed has new stations in the Southeast like Auburn, Alabama.
Jay F Quote:
"That being said, the talk share in Las Vegas is going up. If you look at the last trend, the combined 12+ talk share is the highest in recent memory. For the first time in LV history the talk share is actually higher than the country share (by a very slight margin)."
Interesting!
Jay F Quote:
"Still I don't think that liberal talk radio would do well here at all. Yes, there has been a trend towards Democrat voting in Clark County, but that is largely due to Las Vegas becoming more ethnic. This isn't a liberal city and/or city where people enjoy talking politics like Portland, Seattle, San Francisco or Boston. This is an apolitical city with one of the nations lowest voter turnouts. Liberal talk would be lucky to crack a half a share here."
If KXNT has about 4 shares, with entertaining hosts like Rush and C2C, and one argues that liberal talk is based on entertainment value and *NOT* the political persuasion of the hosts, then I would say that it could do better than half a share. However, the intellectual discussions from Rachel Maddow and Hartmann would be too much for the average Vegas talk listener.
What do you think - do you think if someone got some really entertaining lib hosts together, that they could equal KXNT?
There is ONE place in the US where this has been occuring for years - KGO in San Francisco. But nobody ever pays attention to KGO. Brian Maloney as much as I disagree with comments on his blog once said something very insightful ... that if *HE* was Air America management, the FIRST THING HE WOULD DO would be to talk to the KGO managers! Absolutely! Liberals Talliaferro, Bernie Ward, Karel, Rothman, getting all those ratings and beating all the other San Francisco hosts in their time slots. Now KGO has the legendary GIL GROSS from ABC for afternoons!!! Mickey Luckoff, Jack Swanson, and Ken Berry are programming geniuses.
-AlbuquerqueTOM
btw - Florida changed his web site, he used to have a place to enter all this demographic info and it has dissapeared. Where did you find the actual scores, he seems to have taken them down, and all I've got is a paper copy.....
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bilco
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Rob,
For precision on what we will carry you'd need to talk to programming types, I'm just an engineer, and speak only about enought spanish to order a beer and ask for directions to the mens room.
Brandon,
For precision on what we will carry you'd need to talk to programming types, I'm just an engineer, and speak only about enought spanish to order a beer and ask for directions to the mens room.
Brandon,
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