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rbrucecarter5
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IBOC was off on KKLF yesterday. Lets hope it STAYS off!
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War Of Attrition
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rbrucecarter5 said:
If there is anyone on this board who should lose their privilege to discuss HD, it would be you. Even after I corrected your misinformation and ignorance the last go around, you are already back trashing HD again. Have you no shame?
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Andyf101
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War Of Attrition said:
Oh PUH-LEAZ! Bruce has as much a right to bash IBOC, as you do to defend it. That's what discussion blogs are for.
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Andyf101 said:
Let's be specific. We are talking about iBiquity's HD Radio. IBOC is just a method for digital radio. HD Radio is the implementation of IBOC. While HD Radio is IBOC, IBOC is not necessarily HD Radio. Secondly, this is not a "discussion blog", it is a discussion forum. The two are not even remotely the same thing. Blog has become such a hype-word that it is being used interchangeably for almost any type of website it seems.
Now on to your comment...
Note that in my original comment I said nothing of Bruce's "right". I said privilege. That was not accidental. My comment was directly referencing a specific thread from a few weeks back (I can't remember if you were part of it or not), where he made a completely jackass out of himself by spewing non-sensical untruths left and right regarding HD Radio. Either he was being intentionally dishonest or he is just completely ignorant of HD Radio. It's either one or the other.
I get that Bruce and a lot of other radio guys don't like HD Radio. But if he or anyone else states lies as fact, I am going to call them out. Considering how much of his argument was so wrong, I can't believe he is already back in the same place bringing up the topic again. I would be embarrassed and humiliated enough to go hide while I studied up on the topic at hand more thoroughly. It's nothing personal, Bruce is probably a great person, I just cannot comprehend his chutzpah on this subject.
Yo, WOA...
Do you own a big pile-o-stock in one of the I-CRAP companies?
Yes, it's I-CRAP, pure and simple.
Do you own a big pile-o-stock in one of the I-CRAP companies?
Yes, it's I-CRAP, pure and simple.
I'll throw my 2 cents into this debate...
HD radio is pretty much a failure. The marketing of the receivers has been a disaters. Places in the DFW area that used to have big displays trying to get people to buy them have now pushed them to the back of the store with much smaller displays. The promotions I hear on the radio about it don't do much to get me, or anyone else, to go buy a radio.
I don't care for the AM interference, but I could live with it if I thought this technology was helping bring more listeners to local AM stations. It isn't.
The technology itself seems to be too unreliable to get many people to buy the expensive radios. I have been to many stores that just can't show off the technology on either the AM or FM side because they can't get a useable HD signal. The few times I have heard the FM stuff, I think it sounds very good.
I would love nothing more than to see a technology that could make AM sound as good as FM and FM sound as good as CD become a big hit and make terrestrial radio very popular again. Based on my personal experience, this technology is not it.
HD radio is pretty much a failure. The marketing of the receivers has been a disaters. Places in the DFW area that used to have big displays trying to get people to buy them have now pushed them to the back of the store with much smaller displays. The promotions I hear on the radio about it don't do much to get me, or anyone else, to go buy a radio.
I don't care for the AM interference, but I could live with it if I thought this technology was helping bring more listeners to local AM stations. It isn't.
The technology itself seems to be too unreliable to get many people to buy the expensive radios. I have been to many stores that just can't show off the technology on either the AM or FM side because they can't get a useable HD signal. The few times I have heard the FM stuff, I think it sounds very good.
I would love nothing more than to see a technology that could make AM sound as good as FM and FM sound as good as CD become a big hit and make terrestrial radio very popular again. Based on my personal experience, this technology is not it.
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Andyf101
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War Of Attrition said:
Oh brother.... Look, you say tomato, I say tomahto but they are both the same. I-Crap, I-Buzz, IBOC, HD... it's all the same damn thing. All I see here is that you want Bruce to be silenced. Right... priv... whatever.....
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rbrucecarter5
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War Of Attrition said:
Every time I dare to challenge some station manager's little egomaniac trip of arrogantly, intentionally, and unfortunately legally jamming thier neighbors, I get disrespected and insulted. I am on the side of the little guys getting jammed. HD radio on AM has more similarities with communist jamming of Radio Free Europe than it does serving any useful purpose. Especially on sports and talk stations - it has no business increasing the noise floor on the band nationwide so musical beds and commercials can sound better. What a waste of spectrum!
As for going and hiding - don't count on it! I am going to continue telling people it doesn't work properly, and hopefully the marketplace will reject it the way they did the Edsel, PC Junior, Microsoft Bob, the Cue Cat, and New Coke.
If somebody can come up with a way of doing digital radio that does not jam adjacent frequencies on AM and FM, I will be among the most enthusiastic supporters. But this system does not. One of the foundations of our nation is property rights. Do what you want on your own property, but don't do it on MINE. Broadcasters get one frequency, and should stay OFF of adjacent frequencies. Do digital on FM, but do it in 200 kHz. Do digital on AM, but do it in 10 kHz. Or don't do it at all! Your personal freedom ends where your neighbor's nose begins, your property ends where your neighbor's begins, and your frequency allocation ends where the next station begins. DEFECTIVE SYSTEM - jams adjacent broadcasters, and should have NEVER seen the light of day.
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ISaidSo
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Boys, Calm down. The Problem with HD radio is.....Nobody wants it! Radio heads (Which I proudly admit I am one) Think it is cool, but the average Joe doesn't care. You ever hear anybody say, :Boy I would listen to more radio if it just sounded better!"? NO!!! HD TV worked because people are always looking for a better picture, so there was demand. There is no demand for HD radio, so it will be a failed bit. In line with Beta and the Mini Disc.
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ISaidSo said:
With regard to Beta, although it was a failure on the consumer market, it was the format of choice for much of the broadcast industry back in the day.
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ISaidSo
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Which goes to my point... Pros loved it, but Viewers/Listeners didn't, so....It went away.
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rbrucecarter5
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jras20 said:
I note its strengths and weaknesses over there. I personally own an HD tuner, and listen to an HD-2 channel. I listen to music on HD-AM. Nothing, however, can justify the jamming of adjacent frequencies on either band. The cost is just too high to the small broadcaster that can ill afford to convert, and stands to be jammed out of existance. I hope they can rectify the problem by reprogramming to be WITHIN assigned channels on FM, and I have long advocated that they just call C-Quam "HD AM" and be done with the present system that doesn't work at night. I don't see any potential fix on the horizon for AM, the least little bit of skywave causes loss of lock. Frankly, I think it could have gone either way - nobody could have anticipated how poorly it could perform at night. Now, it is time to admit failure and do something else on AM.
Do you think your average listener cares about the jamming of adjacent frequencies? Unless you're from a distant town and trying to pick up your hometown station, or unless you're a radio "nut" scanning the dial, I bet most people don't care about the stations that aren't in town.
Or to put that another way, there's the occasional post here about picking up K-Such and Such from houston. I bet the vast majority of people not originally from Houston can't tell you what's on 810 or 1070 down there, and don't care that WBAP and KRLD are interfereing with the ability to pick them up hundreds of miles away from Houston.
Or to put that another way, there's the occasional post here about picking up K-Such and Such from houston. I bet the vast majority of people not originally from Houston can't tell you what's on 810 or 1070 down there, and don't care that WBAP and KRLD are interfereing with the ability to pick them up hundreds of miles away from Houston.
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War Of Attrition
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little1 said:
Whoa! Someone who actually understands how normal non-radio-geeks use radio.
Great insights!
I'm a regular non-radio person. Any chance the HD has caused the KTCK signal to be worse over the past year or so? Not talking about the recent storm damage - but it seems the signal is much weaker than in the by-gone days. Also wondering if the XM package in my new car doesn't interfere with the signals on the far right end of the AM dial. The signal has sucked since I bought the car in November.
I don't think kTCK even has a HD signal. And does your car have an old-fashioned antenna of one of those little bumpy looking XM receivers near your back window? Because if it just has the little dome-bump, that's probably what accounts for your poor reception. Smaller antenna=less reception.
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Jubb05 said:
On my first XM unit back in 2002 (an add-on, aftermarket Pioneer,) I rigged it to have some degree of portability, which meant putting in a Motorola (typical auto antenna connector) splitter so I could feed both the FM modulator and the aerial into the car stereo. I had to disconnect the XM connection to get just about anything on AM. Merely turning the unit off didn't do a thing...I had to pull the antenna connection from the splitter. I don't know if this bears any resemblance to your situation, but the XM unit is pretty overpowering.
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