Antenna TV having trouble getting affiliates?

[microbob]

CMT was running Married With Children last Weekend of all places.

 

[carolinaradio]

CMT was running Married With Children last Weekend of all places.

Viacom shares their shows so much it's crazy. Scrubs airs on MTV and Comedy Central. Ridiculous

 

[ding12]

Here are some of the shows Antenna TV has that Me-TV does not (many of these are seen on Me-Too though, which is not a national network).

Benny Hill, Father Knows Best, Dennis The Menace, Flying Nun, Gidget, Hazel, Here Come The
Brides, Maude, Monkees, Partridge Family, Soap, Too Close For Comfort, Burns & Allen, etc.

These shows are seen everywhere ++++ on Antenna: Sanford & Son, Married With Children, Mad About You, Good Times, All In The Family. If I were them, I would ditch these over-played shows SEEN EVERYWHERE and replace them with some rarely seen or not seen often...................................

News Radio, Just Shoot Me, Police Woman, That's My Mama, Designing Women, Larry Sanders Show, Barney Miller, Different Strokes, What's Happening, One Day At A Time, Facts Of Life, Silver Spoons, Who's The Boss, 227, Charlie's Angers, Family, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Pictures_Television

'Mad About You' is not really overplayed. About the only show that I care about on Antenna is 'Three's Company' which will be a classic for years imo, but still suitable that someone who didn't grow up watching it when it was on regular stations can enjoy it now. "All in the Family" is on that category as well.

'Too Close for Comfort' wasn't ever really great, and 'Maude' seems so antiquated. 'Monkees' and 'Gidget' and some of the others maybe okay to move to Me-TV.

'227' is on the Gospel Music Channel. 'NewsRadio' is on Reelz I think. 'Who's the Boss' used to be on Hallmark not to long ago, but could be brought over to Me-TV or Antenna TV, or even The Hub.

Some of the later years of most 80s/90s shows such as 'Who's the Boss', 'Facts of Life' should be severed and destroyed. They were purely awful and ruin the syndication value of the beginning years.

 

[carolinaradio]

Hallmark lost rights to WTB. I don't mind 227 and NewsRadio as much since they are on networks that are not widespread like TV Land or TBS or something. Those channels are not as widely available. I don't get them.

I, personally, don't care for a lot of the sitcoms Antenna is airing. I like MeTV's classics such as The Brady Bunch, Get Smart, I Love Lucy, Gomer Pyle, Mary Tyler Moore, Dick Van Dyke, etc. over stuff like Father Knows Best, Burns and Allen, Gidget, Hazel, etc. MeTV also has some great dramas and no movies. The ones I do like, except for Maude, are already seen enough on other channels.

 

[dave73]

There's a question of how much appetite for retro TV there is in the digital space. In all the markets based in Indiana (Indy, South Bend, Ft. Wayne, Evansville, Terre Haute) there are no RTV affiliates, 1 Anntenna (owned by Tribune), 1 Me (owned by Weigel), and 4 This TV affiliates.

And that counts the simulcast of WTTV and WTTK twice.

So what are the chances of Antenna adding affiliates in those five markets?

Unless WSJV or WNDU would pick up Antenna TV in South Bend, then don't expect them to come to South Bend (Weigel Broadcasting will not in South Bend). WHME-TV doesn't have the money to carry that network, but also, some shows would not fit into their so-called family oriented programming. So even if they had the money to carry them, they would not. I can't speak about Terre Haute (though they have no ABC affiliate of their own), Evansville, or Fort Wayne.

I wonder if these shows have local exclusivity agreements? Most of AntennnaTV also appears on Me-Too, which seems ridiculous to duplicate so much.

Tribune Company has the national rights while Weigel Broadcasting has the Chicago rights to the Sony library. So when Weigel Broadcasting decided to take MeTV national, they had to remove all the Sony shows from MeTV & move them to MeToo. So now MeToo is the Chicago MeTV, which is why there's so much overlap with Antenna TV. Weigel Broadcasting also has both the national & Chicago rights to the CBS library. So Beverly Hillbillies is shown on MeToo (thought that would be on MeTV, but it isn't).

Here are some of the shows Antenna TV has that Me-TV does not (many of these are seen on Me-Too though, which is not a national network).

Benny Hill, Father Knows Best, Dennis The Menace, Flying Nun, Gidget, Hazel, Here Come The
Brides, Maude, Monkees, Partridge Family, Soap, Too Close For Comfort, Burns & Allen, etc.

These shows are seen everywhere ++++ on Antenna: Sanford & Son, Married With Children, Mad About You, Good Times, All In The Family. If I were them, I would ditch these over-played shows SEEN EVERYWHERE and replace them with some rarely seen or not seen often...................................

News Radio, Just Shoot Me, Police Woman, That's My Mama, Designing Women, Larry Sanders Show, Barney Miller, Different Strokes, What's Happening, One Day At A Time, Facts Of Life, Silver Spoons, Who's The Boss, 227, Charlie's Angers, Family, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Pictures_Television

Since Tribune has the national rights to the Sony Library, MeTV won't be carrying any of these shows. When MeTV was just in Chicago, they had the Sony sitcoms on MeTV & Sony dramas on MeToo. Now both comedy & drama are back on MeToo, & in Chicago, that's where the Sony shows will be. MeTV has the national rights to the CBS & 20th Century Fox libraries.

I was thinking, the only major library left that no one has tapped in to is the Warner library. There are some goodies in there; Mama's Family, Alice, Gilligan's Island, etc. The Warner library would fit well on Antenna TV and the Universal library would fit well on MeTV.

Rumor has it that Antenna TV is looking to acquire shows from that library. So once the network is able to get themselves established enough, I expect Antenna TV to have the national rights to the Warner Brothers library.

Here are some of the shows Antenna TV has that Me-TV does not (many of these are seen on Me-Too though, which is not a national network).

Benny Hill, Father Knows Best, Dennis The Menace, Flying Nun, Gidget, Hazel, Here Come The
Brides, Maude, Monkees, Partridge Family, Soap, Too Close For Comfort, Burns & Allen, etc.

These shows are seen everywhere ++++ on Antenna: Sanford & Son, Married With Children, Mad About You, Good Times, All In The Family. If I were them, I would ditch these over-played shows SEEN EVERYWHERE and replace them with some rarely seen or not seen often...................................

News Radio, Just Shoot Me, Police Woman, That's My Mama, Designing Women, Larry Sanders Show, Barney Miller, Different Strokes, What's Happening, One Day At A Time, Facts Of Life, Silver Spoons, Who's The Boss, 227, Charlie's Angers, Family, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Pictures_Television

'Mad About You' is not really overplayed. About the only show that I care about on Antenna is 'Three's Company' which will be a classic for years imo, but still suitable that someone who didn't grow up watching it when it was on regular stations can enjoy it now. "All in the Family" is on that category as well.

'Too Close for Comfort' wasn't ever really great, and 'Maude' seems so antiquated. 'Monkees' and 'Gidget' and some of the others maybe okay to move to Me-TV.

'227' is on the Gospel Music Channel. 'NewsRadio' is on Reelz I think. 'Who's the Boss' used to be on Hallmark not to long ago, but could be brought over to Me-TV or Antenna TV, or even The Hub.

Some of the later years of most 80s/90s shows such as 'Who's the Boss', 'Facts of Life' should be severed and destroyed. They were purely awful and ruin the syndication value of the beginning years.

Threes Company to my knowledge was never shown on MeTV Chicago. I like that show. I grew up to Too Close For Comfort, The Fact of Life, & 227. Who's The Boss used to be on MeTV Chicago, but I believe that got moved to MeToo. Bewitched is on MeToo along with I Dream of Jeannie. Antenna TV wants to add I Dream of Jeannie, but Tribune can't get it, because they already carry it on WGN America, & supposedly, not available in national syndication right now. These shows are part of the Sony library. Bounce TV, which is a another new digital subchannel network, also has a contract for the Sony library, but they're only interested in shows that have a black cast, or lead characters that are black. So for now, Sanford & Son & Good Times are off limits to Bounce TV, due to Antenna TV having the national exclusive rights to the Sony shows.

Gidget & The Monkees are in the Sony Library, & not allowed on MeTV. Same with Who's The Boss, which is seen on MeToo Chicago.


I forgot which person likes it that MeTV doesn't have movies. The reason they don't have movies (other than when they air Svengoolie), is because they already have Movies on This TV. So there's no need to have movies on MeTV.

 

[gregg75]

Looks like Bounce TV is going to have their hands tied. What do they have left? I'm sure
they're not gonna break out Amos And Andy. My impression is they will be more into movies
than television shows.

 

[carolinaradio]

Thanks, Dave, for the insight.
I was the one that mentioned movies on MeTV - I compare it a lot to TV Land from its launch in to the early 2000s, and they did not include any movies. I don't mind a couple a week, but not half of the schedule like on Antenna TV.

Warner Brothers/Sony libraries on Antenna TV and CBS/20th/Universal on MeTV would be great. I'd love for MeTV to get the Universal library from RTV if they are not going to improve. It would supplement their programming well, but the lack of sitcoms is somewhat disappointing (the only ones I can think of are Leave It to Beaver, McHale's Navy, Bachelor Father, Amen, Kate & Allie). It has some decent dramas (Alfred Hitchcock, Marcus Welby, A-Team, Miami Vice, Emergency!). The rest, that I can think of, are blah. Not much for Airwolf reruns every night at 9pm. Like I said, Universal is probably the duller of the studio libraries.

 

[ansky212]

I would like to see shows like Webster added. I don't recall that ever being in syndication on any network. Others would be Benson, The Love Boat, Diff'rent Strokes, Silver Spoons. These are examples of shows that are rarely seen. I'm guessing it must either be tough to get the rights to these or the networks don't think they would pull in ratings. That's why we see the same tired old shows over and over.

 

[FightingIrish]

I would like to see shows like Webster added. I don't recall that ever being in syndication on any network. Others would be Benson, The Love Boat, Diff'rent Strokes, Silver Spoons. These are examples of shows that are rarely seen. I'm guessing it must either be tough to get the rights to these or the networks don't think they would pull in ratings. That's why we see the same tired old shows over and over.

"Webster" won't happen. The president of MeTV singled it out in an interview as an example of a show that was a ratings disaster in syndication.

 

[carolinaradio]

I would like to see shows like Webster added. I don't recall that ever being in syndication on any network. Others would be Benson, The Love Boat, Diff'rent Strokes, Silver Spoons. These are examples of shows that are rarely seen. I'm guessing it must either be tough to get the rights to these or the networks don't think they would pull in ratings. That's why we see the same tired old shows over and over.

The Love Boat is CBS, so we could see it on MeTV, maybe
Silver Spoons, Diff'rent Strokes, and Benson are Sony, so we could see them on Antenna TV, maybe

Yeah, Webster is CBS but will not be airing on MeTV. Funny, it aired on the local MeTV in Chicago for a time. Webster kind of goes in the same category as Blossom.

MeTV has rights to Star Trek (60s) but they don't air it. I've wondered if they have the rights to Family Ties (CBS) or Newhart (20th)? I wonder if there are shows they are not airing?

 

[mgsports]

The Hub has Family Ties.
Bouce TV is for baby's and Afciran Americans.

 

[carolinaradio]

The Hub has Family Ties.
Bouce TV is for baby's and Afciran Americans.

The Hub is a cable network. That has no effect on the broadcast rights.

 

[Madmansam]

One thing I like about Antenna TV is the fact they do not have a nagging "Station Logo Bug" at the corner of the screen. Plus no pop up ads for upcoming shows and the end credits are not sped up or squeezed in half so the other half tells you what show is next. Antenna TV really reminds me of UHF TV of the 1970's. I have heard that RTV has a continuous station logo bug at the corner of the screen but what about "MeTV"? My guess that there is as their sister network, ThisTV, has a station logo bug.

 

[carolinaradio]

MeTV, RTV, and THIStv all have bugs. Some Antenna TV affiliates do, if the local station chooses to.

 

[dave73]

I would like to see shows like Webster added. I don't recall that ever being in syndication on any network. Others would be Benson, The Love Boat, Diff'rent Strokes, Silver Spoons. These are examples of shows that are rarely seen. I'm guessing it must either be tough to get the rights to these or the networks don't think they would pull in ratings. That's why we see the same tired old shows over and over.

The Love Boat is CBS, so we could see it on MeTV, maybe
Silver Spoons, Diff'rent Strokes, and Benson are Sony, so we could see them on Antenna TV, maybe

Yeah, Webster is CBS but will not be airing on MeTV. Funny, it aired on the local MeTV in Chicago for a time. Webster kind of goes in the same category as Blossom.

MeTV has rights to Star Trek (60s) but they don't air it. I've wondered if they have the rights to Family Ties (CBS) or Newhart (20th)? I wonder if there are shows they are not airing?

I know Weigel has the Chicago rights to Family Ties & I believe might be on MeToo (was on MeTV Chicago when it was local). I believe Weigel also has the Chicago rights to Diff'rent Strokes & Silver Spoons, as they used to air those shows, & one of those 2 might be on MeToo. As for Webster, Weigel is showing that on WCIU 26.2, The U Too (so it's currently in syndication, but not on a national level). I've never seen The Love Boat on MeTV or on MeToo. I think Weigel has chosen to take a pass on that show.

 

[ansky212]

WSAH just picked up RTV again (effective 6/6), providing a second RTV affiliate in the NYC market. The other affiliate is WKOB-LD (a low power station with no cable carriage in the market).

 

[JeeperOne]

Well here in Denver, it's a matter of simply finding a place for MeTV more than anything that's keeping MeTV out of Denver

With RTV on a standalone affiliate (KCDO 3) & Tribune/Local already carrying ThisTV on KWGN 2.2 & Antenna TV on KDVR 31.2 (Neither of which look very appealing to me) & CBS owning KCNC 4 (Which is still undecided on ever having subs to begin with), that only leaves three other places (Two of those with the same company) MeTV can go in Denver.....

KMGH 7 (ABC) Not likely since they just added Cool TV as well their own NewsChannel 247 (Which had been just a Comcast thing) on top of their Latin sister station KZCO 27 (Azteca America)

KUSA 9 (NBC) Possible although I'm sure NBC would much prefer they move Universal Sports (Which is currently a sub of KTVD 20) to KUSA 9 instead

KTVD 20 The most likely place (Especially should NBC insist on Universal Sports being moved to KUSA 9)

Just my opinion.....

Thoughts?

Cheers

 

[JeeperOne]

Re: RTV, like I said in another thread, I think they are going to become less and less relevant unless they change their ways. I look for them to eventually be on mostly lower power stations after MeTV and (hopefully) Antenna TV become more relevant.

As long as RTV has its core group of standalone affiliates (Most of which it inherited from the old America One), they'll be just as relevent (If not more so) as Antenna & This are

Just my opinion.....

Cheers

 

[JeeperOne]

I have heard that RTV has a continuous station logo bug at the corner of the screen

RTV has no bug. I know this having watched standalone affiliate KCDO 3 a number of times enough to know

Cheers

 

[EricStein]

Re: RTV, like I said in another thread, I think they are going to become less and less relevant unless they change their ways. I look for them to eventually be on mostly lower power stations after MeTV and (hopefully) Antenna TV become more relevant.

As long as RTV has its core group of standalone affiliates (Most of which it inherited from the old America One), they'll be just as relevent (If not more so) as Antenna & This are

Just my opinion.....

Cheers

I noticed that RTV is looking to change their program schedule. More obscure programs, such as "The Comedy Shop" and "Celebrity Bowling" and newer shows I wouldn't call "Retro" (Canadian dramas from the '90s, including "Da Vinci's Inquest" and "Cold Squad"). Their remaining "large station group" affiliates can't be pleased about this.