Antenna TV having trouble getting affiliates?

[carolinaradio]

I have heard that RTV has a continuous station logo bug at the corner of the screen

RTV has no bug. I know this having watched standalone affiliate KCDO 3 a number of times enough to know

Cheers

My mistake. I figured they did because I get it on two different affiliates, and both have bugs.

As long as RTV has its core group of standalone affiliates (Most of which it inherited from the old America One), they'll be just as relevent (If not more so) as Antenna & This are

Just my opinion.....

Cheers

RTV will probably remain relevant to lower-powered affiliates, like I said, because the higher power stations will likely get dibs on MeTV, Antenna TV, THIS. I think THIS is more relevant than RTV - they're on a ton of high powered affiliates, and are in most markets....
I think MeTV and Antenna TV are wanting high power affiliates because in a lot of cases, they are more reliable and more attractive to advertisers.

 

[ansky212]

I have heard that RTV has a continuous station logo bug at the corner of the screen

RTV has no bug. I know this having watched standalone affiliate KCDO 3 a number of times enough to know

Cheers

The 2 RTV affiliates in NYC have a bug.

 

[ding12]

Antenna TV really reminds me of UHF TV of the 1970's.

I don't like the infomercial type commercials on Antenna. There is also often no local commercials. That definitely is not like UHF TV in the 80's and 90's. Don't know about the 70's Also, block scheduling (airing two episodes of 1 show in an hour) is more a recent phenomenon isn't?

 

[Madmansam]

Antenna TV really reminds me of UHF TV of the 1970's.

I don't like the infomercial type commercials on Antenna. There is also often no local commercials. That definitely is not like UHF TV in the 80's and 90's. Don't know about the 70's Also, block scheduling (airing two episodes of 1 show in an hour) is more a recent phenomenon isn't?

When I mean't that Antenna TV reminds me of UHF TV of the 1970's, I mean't that it did not have any continuous logo bugs on the corner of the screen plus no sped up credits or squeezed credits. What infomercial type of commercials? Yes there are no local commercials (yet) but definately not infomercial type of commercials. In order to be infomercials, they have to be program length commercial. And Antenna TV does not have infomercials. That is why I like it. Not like TV Stations of today with lots of infomercials.

 

[Madmansam]

Re: RTV, like I said in another thread, I think they are going to become less and less relevant unless they change their ways. I look for them to eventually be on mostly lower power stations after MeTV and (hopefully) Antenna TV become more relevant.

As long as RTV has its core group of standalone affiliates (Most of which it inherited from the old America One), they'll be just as relevent (If not more so) as Antenna & This are

Just my opinion.....

Cheers

Maybe RTV is like Antenna TV? Depends if the local affiliate adds it in?

 

[carolinaradio]

The user referring to the "infomercial type commercials" may be referring to the 60-90 minute commercials that I call "abridged infomercials" for "As Seen On TV" items such as Swivel Sweeper, SlapChop, Shake Weight, Hercules Hook, Jupiter Jack, etc. Those are common on channels that aren't selling a ton of advertising; I guess they must be able to advertise cheaply.

 

[ansky212]

The user referring to the "infomercial type commercials" may be referring to the 60-90 minute commercials that I call "abridged infomercials" for "As Seen On TV" items such as Swivel Sweeper, SlapChop, Shake Weight, Hercules Hook, Jupiter Jack, etc. Those are common on channels that aren't selling a ton of advertising; I guess they must be able to advertise cheaply.

Yes, and I think you meant to say 60-90 second commercials.

 

[carolinaradio]

The user referring to the "infomercial type commercials" may be referring to the 60-90 minute commercials that I call "abridged infomercials" for "As Seen On TV" items such as Swivel Sweeper, SlapChop, Shake Weight, Hercules Hook, Jupiter Jack, etc. Those are common on channels that aren't selling a ton of advertising; I guess they must be able to advertise cheaply.

Yes, and I think you meant to say 60-90 second commercials.

Yes, my mistake.

 

[Madmansam]

The user referring to the "infomercial type commercials" may be referring to the 60-90 minute commercials that I call "abridged infomercials" for "As Seen On TV" items such as Swivel Sweeper, SlapChop, Shake Weight, Hercules Hook, Jupiter Jack, etc. Those are common on channels that aren't selling a ton of advertising; I guess they must be able to advertise cheaply.

I don't recall the length of the commercials but I do recall commercials like K-Tel (selling different music records), The Clapper & Chia Plants. Weren't those three around in the 1970's?

 

[carolinaradio]

Speaking of RTV, this is the main problem I see them running in to...

How are they EVER going to get new shows? Antenna has Sony, MeTV has 20th and CBS....most of the big libraries are now spoken for - I mean, you can only get by on Ironside, Airwolf, Kojak, McHale's Navy, I Spy, A-Team, Kate and Allie, Daniel Boone, Alfred Hitchcock, etc. for so long and they've been running these for 3 years. Universal is not a library you can really run a network from, like I've said several times. They are kind of tied there unless they could snag the Warner Bros library before someone else does. Remember, they actually had the CBS library until several years ago. That was when they were at their best. You can't run the same shows forever.

I would also suggest that they ditch the localized schedules and have a national schedule and develop some promos....I never see any. Is this network just cheap or can they not do any better? The only reason I think they have gotten by for so long like this is because they did not have any direct competition.
Maybe they can get by as they are now, but I still expect them to eventually be found mostly on LD/LPTV eventually unless they start making changes. They even took their Facebook page down!

 

[ansky212]

Speaking of RTV, this is the main problem I see them running in to...

How are they EVER going to get new shows? Antenna has Sony, MeTV has 20th and CBS....most of the big libraries are now spoken for - I mean, you can only get by on Ironside, Airwolf, Kojak, McHale's Navy, I Spy, A-Team, Kate and Allie, Daniel Boone, Alfred Hitchcock, etc. for so long and they've been running these for 3 years. Universal is not a library you can really run a network from, like I've said several times. They are kind of tied there unless they could snag the Warner Bros library before someone else does. Remember, they actually had the CBS library until several years ago. That was when they were at their best. You can't run the same shows forever.

I would also suggest that they ditch the localized schedules and have a national schedule and develop some promos....I never see any. Is this network just cheap or can they not do any better? The only reason I think they have gotten by for so long like this is because they did not have any direct competition.
Maybe they can get by as they are now, but I still expect them to eventually be found mostly on LD/LPTV eventually unless they start making changes. They even took their Facebook page down!

I agree on all counts. They have been running the same shows over and over for years. And it seems they only air a fraction of the shows from their current library (based on what their website shows). Why did they lose the Sony library? Like you said there are a lot of good shows there.

I also never understood why they have localized programming lineups. It just complicates the entire operation. What difference does it make if Emergency airs at 4pm in NYC and 6pm somewhere else. They really should go to a national lineup.

 

[carolinaradio]

Speaking of RTV, this is the main problem I see them running in to...

How are they EVER going to get new shows? Antenna has Sony, MeTV has 20th and CBS....most of the big libraries are now spoken for - I mean, you can only get by on Ironside, Airwolf, Kojak, McHale's Navy, I Spy, A-Team, Kate and Allie, Daniel Boone, Alfred Hitchcock, etc. for so long and they've been running these for 3 years. Universal is not a library you can really run a network from, like I've said several times. They are kind of tied there unless they could snag the Warner Bros library before someone else does. Remember, they actually had the CBS library until several years ago. That was when they were at their best. You can't run the same shows forever.

I would also suggest that they ditch the localized schedules and have a national schedule and develop some promos....I never see any. Is this network just cheap or can they not do any better? The only reason I think they have gotten by for so long like this is because they did not have any direct competition.
Maybe they can get by as they are now, but I still expect them to eventually be found mostly on LD/LPTV eventually unless they start making changes. They even took their Facebook page down!

I agree on all counts. They have been running the same shows over and over for years. And it seems they only air a fraction of the shows from their current library (based on what their website shows). Why did they lose the Sony library? Like you said there are a lot of good shows there.

I also never understood why they have localized programming lineups. It just complicates the entire operation. What difference does it make if Emergency airs at 4pm in NYC and 6pm somewhere else. They really should go to a national lineup.

I don't remember a Sony deal (they had CBS and Universal), but they did carry a couple of Sony shows like The Monkees and The Partridge Family.
The CBS shows abruptly disappeared in June or July of 2008 and they replaced those shows with more Universal shows. I think the deal just ran out and they either couldn't afford to renew it or they didn't want to.

Here is a listing of the shows they had in 2008, from archive.org:
http://web.archive.org/web/20080503003037/http://www.rtnville.com/shows.html

 

[JeeperOne]

Speaking of RTV, this is the main problem I see them running in to...

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I would also suggest that they ditch the localized schedules and have a national schedule and develop some promos....I never see any. Is this network just cheap or can they not do any better?

I'm not sure if you have a standalone affiliate or one that's a digital sub of another station (You didn't indicate either way in your post) but KCDO 3 here in Denver (Which is a standalone affiliate licensed to Sterling, CO in NE CO) has a local schedule (And looks better with one) because it is a standalone affiliate

People here don't care for "Spoon-Fed" TV stations (Never liked them on radio either). As such, LOCALIZATION IS A MUST !!!!! Why do you think the CW, MyNetwork TV & FOX affiliates run their morning newscasts till 9:00 AM ??

You also forget that KCDO 3 is also targeting a TOP 20 TV city in Denver. As such, they must act like "One Of The Big Boys" by having local programs in their schedule. A satellite-based spoon-fed national schedule aired in absolute pattern with ZERO room for local programming would almost be certain death for the station

And then there's special programming. An example of this happened not tot long ago

Just recently, KCDO 3 broadcast a debate involving the candidates running for Mayor of Denver (An event which was later rebroadcast on CET via Comcast Digital Channel 105)

Besides, if KWGN 2 or KDVR 31 were to use time on either of their subs for local programming like that, they'd have to seek permission from ThisTV or Antenna TV first (KWGN doesn't even do this for CW programming!). Why is this? Because both nets program 24/7 whereas RTV doesn't

And even then, KWGN & KDVR would have to re-sync the sub by programming it with syndie fare right up to the start of the next program on ThisTV or Antenna TV (Assuming they even have that capability that is). KCDO doesn't have to do this with RTV

The only reason I think they have gotten by for so long like this is because they did not have any direct competition.
Maybe they can get by as they are now, but I still expect them to eventually be found mostly on LD/LPTV eventually unless they start making changes.

What changes do you think they need to make? Do you really like watching SPOON FED TV stations or something?

If anyone needs to make changes, it's NOT RTV. Instead it's nets like ThisTV & Antenna TV which program 24/7. RTV at least gives affiliates the ability to focus on LOCALIZATION, which as I said before, is A MUST in areas west of the Ohio River

They even took their Facebook page down!

Now that move has me baffled

Just my opinion.....

Cheers

 

[carolinaradio]

I'm not sure if you have a standalone affiliate or one that's a digital sub of another station (You didn't indicate either way in your post) but KCDO 3 here in Denver (Which is a standalone affiliate licensed to Sterling, CO in NE CO) has a local schedule (And looks better with one) because it is a standalone affiliate

People here don't care for "Spoon-Fed" TV stations (Never liked them on radio either). As such, LOCALIZATION IS A MUST !!!!! Why do you think the CW, MyNetwork TV & FOX affiliates run their morning newscasts till 9:00 AM ??

You also forget that KCDO 3 is also targeting a TOP 20 TV city in Denver. As such, they must act like "One Of The Big Boys" by having local programs in their schedule. A satellite-based spoon-fed national schedule aired in absolute pattern with ZERO room for local programming would almost be certain death for the station

And then there's special programming. An example of this happened not tot long ago

Just recently, KCDO 3 broadcast a debate involving the candidates running for Mayor of Denver (An event which was later rebroadcast on CET via Comcast Digital Channel 105)

Besides, if KWGN 2 or KDVR 31 were to use time on either of their subs for local programming like that, they'd have to seek permission from ThisTV or Antenna TV first (KWGN doesn't even do this for CW programming!). Why is this? Because both nets program 24/7 whereas RTV doesn't

And even then, KWGN & KDVR would have to re-sync the sub by programming it with syndie fare right up to the start of the next program on ThisTV or Antenna TV (Assuming they even have that capability that is). KCDO doesn't have to do this with RTV

The only reason I think they have gotten by for so long like this is because they did not have any direct competition.
Maybe they can get by as they are now, but I still expect them to eventually be found mostly on LD/LPTV eventually unless they start making changes.

What changes do you think they need to make? Do you really like watching SPOON FED TV stations or something?

If anyone needs to make changes, it's NOT RTV. Instead it's nets like ThisTV & Antenna TV which program 24/7. RTV at least gives affiliates the ability to focus on LOCALIZATION, which as I said before, is A MUST in areas west of the Ohio River

They even took their Facebook page down!

Now that move has me baffled

Just my opinion.....

Cheers

My local RTV affiliate is a subchannel. KCDO (who is no longer an RTV affiliate) is rare as it is a full power station, most of the RTV affiliates are on low power stations or subchannels. I don't get the need for different schedules unless it is a primary affiliation that might wish to pre-empt a lot of programming or something. Does it matter if Airwolf airs at 6pm or 8pm on most of their affiliates? It really baffles me as to why subchannels have localized schedules, but follow the same scheduling pattern (E/I 8-9am, Daytime 9-10am, RTV 10am-1am, infomercials 1am-8am) and air nothing local. Some Antenna TV and MeTV affiliates DO insert local programming (I believe WPIX or KTLA pre-empt an hour to re-run local news). I highly doubt many, if any subchannel affiliates are developing true local programming for the station.
I don't really see how a channel running MeTV, Antenna TV, or THIS is really "spoon feeding"....I want to see what the network has to offer in its entirety

I think the Facebook page might have been taken down because they received so much negative feedback and complaints about the same shows airing over and over.

The changes I think RTV needs to make, like I keep saying, are: get new shows, develop promotions to further the branding of the network, and try to be more uniform (how can they promote anything on the network if each affiliate is airing the shows at different times?). They are losing too many of their affiliates.

 

[tripinva]

I'm not sure if you have a standalone affiliate or one that's a digital sub of another station (You didn't indicate either way in your post) but KCDO 3 here in Denver (Which is a standalone affiliate licensed to Sterling, CO in NE CO) has a local schedule (And looks better with one) because it is a standalone affiliate

KCDO isn't an RTV affiliate at all.

Because both nets program 24/7 whereas RTV doesn't

RTV programs 24/7 except when they air infomercials overnight.

KCDO doesn't have to do this with RTV

Absolutely, since it's not an affiliate.

If anyone needs to make changes, it's NOT RTV.

How would you know? You don't have a local affiliate.

- Trip

 

[JeeperOne]

I'm not sure if you have a standalone affiliate or one that's a digital sub of another station (You didn't indicate either way in your post) but KCDO 3 here in Denver (Which is a standalone affiliate licensed to Sterling, CO in NE CO) has a local schedule (And looks better with one) because it is a standalone affiliate

KCDO isn't an RTV affiliate at all.

Because both nets program 24/7 whereas RTV doesn't

RTV programs 24/7 except when they air infomercials overnight.

KCDO doesn't have to do this with RTV

Absolutely, since it's not an affiliate.

If anyone needs to make changes, it's NOT RTV.

How would you know? You don't have a local affiliate.

- Trip

Then either Wikipedia is wrong or I'm seeing things on KCDO (As are thousands of local cable & satellite subscribers) as [THEY ARE SHOWING RTV PROGRAMMING !!!!!

Therefore, I know a little something on this thread ;D

Cheers

 

[ansky212]

People here don't care for "Spoon-Fed" TV stations (Never liked them on radio either). As such, LOCALIZATION IS A MUST !!!!!

But it's up to the individual station if they want to air local programming, not RTV. Most RTV affiliates are low-power stations or subchannels that don't have local programming anyway. Your example of a full power/main channel RTV affiliate is an exception, not a rule. The issue with RTV is that they air different schedules in different markets even when the channel is not showing any other local programming. What difference does it make if Knight Rider airs at 6pm in NY and 7pm in Philly? Is there some study that shows people in Philly prefer their dose of Knight Rider at 7pm rather than 6pm ;D

 

[tripinva]

Then either Wikipedia is wrong

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KCDO-TV

"KCDO ended its affiliation with RTV in favor of more locally-produced programming on November 1, 2010.[7]"

[7] is this link: http://www.denverpost.com/television/ci_16371381

Also, RTV's site does not list KCDO: http://www.myretrotv.com/affiliates.html

or I'm seeing things on KCDO (As are thousands of local cable & satellite subscribers) as [THEY ARE SHOWING RTV PROGRAMMING !!!!!

Therefore, I know a little something on this thread ;D

Cheers

The KCDO schedule also does not show them running RTV programming: http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tvlistings/ZCSGrid.do?stnNum=10758&channel=3

- Trip

 

[Markxxx]

I agree localization is a good thing, IF and here's the important IF, if the station cares.

Me-TV is a great example, so is Me-Too. It was developed slowly by an ownership group that cared. They tried lots of different programs till they found out what worked. They were willing to put up with at least six months (if not more) of basically public service ads, while they found "real" sponsors.

My complaint about Me-TV and Me-Too now is they don't change programs now that they found a formula of programs.

In Chicago, "Good Times," "The Jeffersons," and "Sanford & Son" are very popular with the African American community here. They get great ratings. This is a combination of theme of shows, the fact African American have less cable/dish penetration and the fact the population was urbanized and could get the "low power" signal.

A different city with less blacks might not have such success. OR they might. It depends.

But in order to achieve success you need localization and someone who CARES about programs. This is rare. Now-a-days, stations want to flip a switch and sit back and take the line of least resistance.

 

[carolinaradio]

It looks like KDCO IS airing some classic TV from CBS/Paramount like Get Smart, Mission Impossible, Hogan's Heroes, etc. Perhaps Pat is mistaking those for RTV shows. None of the shows they carry are seen on RTV....perhaps they wanted to carry more local programming than RTV would allow.

But it's up to the individual station if they want to air local programming, not RTV. Most RTV affiliates are low-power stations or subchannels that don't have local programming anyway. Your example of a full power/main channel RTV affiliate is an exception, not a rule. The issue with RTV is that they air different schedules in different markets even when the channel is not showing any other local programming. What difference does it make if Knight Rider airs at 6pm in NY and 7pm in Philly? Is there some study that shows people in Philly prefer their dose of Knight Rider at 7pm rather than 6pm ;D

Exactly! How about a national schedule for all of the affiliates (like the LD's, subchannels, etc., most of which do not air anything local) THEN maybe a customized schedule for select markets? They can't do any promos really because they can't promote the time a certain show comes on.