Antenna TV On-Air Legal IDs

[MarcB]

I know some station are using retro logos to ID Antenna TV on-air. But not FOX 61. During their legal ID that appears on the screen for a few seconds at the top and bottom of the hour it shows their regular FOX CT logo and underneath WTIC-DT 61.2 Hartford New Haven. If I was running the station I would use the Antenna TV Logo and then underneath have WTIC-DT 61.2 Hartford New Haven.

And actually I think their sister station WCCT-TV does the same thing with the legal ID on 20.2 This TV. They show that hideous Face that says WCCT-TV on it. And underneath WCCT-DT 20.2 Waterbury Hartford New Haven.

The only difference is that THIS-TV has an on-screen logo all the time while Antenna TV does not.

 

[dave73]

I have yet to check out WGN-TV's station ID for Antenna TV. When WCIU does their station ID for This TV, they will have I believe a yellow bar at the bottom of the screen (usually during the program) with their ID WCIU-TV 26.4 Chicago,with the This logo displaying. After the ID disappears, it only displays This Chicago. MeTV & MeToo will have a TV set with a program, & for MeTV, it would ID WWME-LD 23.1/WCIU-TV 26.3 Chicago & MeToo will ID as WCIU-TV 26.4 Chicago (used to also ID WMEU-CA 48 Chicago as well). For PBS station WTTW, WTTW 11.1 & WTTW Prime 11.2 ID as WTTW Chicago (sometimes WTTW 11.1 ID's as WTTW-DT Chicago), & both stations ID just before the start of the next program. For Create & V-Me, WTTW has their station ID underneath the Create logo & on V-Me, they have the station ID in the upper left hand corner in order to meet top of the hour station identification. Since WTTW doesn't interrupt the satellite feed of Create & V-Me, this method keeps them legal.

The FCC doesn't care how the station does their ID, as long as they ID at the top of the hour with the correct ID format. A station can just have a white screen with black text with their legal ID, & it keeps the station legal with the FCC. If a station doesn't interrupt their regular program at the top of the hour, then they're supposed to insert the station ID within the program. I have yet to see WTTW do this on WTTW 11 & WTTW Prime, but I have seen WYCC ID at the top of the hour with WYCC-TV Chicago during a program (though their ID is really just WYCC Chicago). I don't know if a station is required to ID with their virtual channel number as well. WGN-TV hasn't done that with the main channel, but the subchannel in the past ID'd as WGN-DT 9.2 Chicago (usually inserted into the program at the top of the hour)

 

[nathannah]

In Milwaukee WITI 6.2 has their "TV 6.2" logo followed by WITI - Milwaukee for their Antenna channel, over the top-of-the-hour PSA. You don't really have to ID the subchannel though (really, you only need calls+community), just the calls, so it's completely legal. They could put in "Don't forget to watch ET tonight at 7:30 on WXXX Broadcast City" and it would still all be good.

WDJT-DT3 in Milwaukee also does the same thing with their This subchannel; I think there's some kind of automation plugged in where they can display the ID just like Fox does to display a station logo during network programming.

RTV can be erroneous though; for a long time they identified their subchannel on WBAY in Green Bay as WBAY-DT2, even though they were actually DT3. And when WITI was with them, they were identified as WITI-TV, even though they don't have the -TV suffix.

 

[OhioMediaWatch]

Nearly two weeks after the launch, WJW/8 Cleveland doesn't have the proper setup to ID 8.2 at ALL.

I'm told it is called a "branding inserter", and that several Antenna TV stations may have started without it to make the 1/1 deadline.

 

[ansky212]

WPIX has the Antenna Tv logo and "WPIX New York 11.4" underneath it.

 

[Iowan]

The only difference is that THIS-TV has an on-screen logo all the time while Antenna TV does not.

Not quite all the time: This TV's logo doesn't air during the primetime movie that airs between 8 P.M. and 10 P.M. Eastern Time Monday thru Friday. However, it is displayed when the same movie replays two hours later.

Speaking of logos, RTV never had an on-air logo displayed during shows 'til Summer 2009. Exceptions include Daytime and EI programming. I wonder what the EI logo looks like on Antenna TV (I was supposed to get it, but still don't).

And don't forget My Network TV which never had a network logo in the five years they were on. But they did have a show logo on the lower left corner of the screen during the "telenovelas"....

 

[cd637299]

In Miami, I have yet to see an on-air ID "WSFL DT 39.3 Miami" for Antenna TV yet, but it's not like I am watching 24/7.

cd

 

[KML0224]

@MarcB: Have you noticed how WTIC-TV (FOX) barely acknowledges their actual over-the-air number? They never say "61" anywhere now. Usually during the news or before a FOX network program begins, you'll see a promo (usually for news or ctnow.com) which says in very small print: "WTIC-DT 31 Hartford/New Haven."

 

[Markxxx]

I checked out WGN and at the top of the hour, the beginning of the TV show starts and in the lower right is WGN with 9.2

 

[azumanga]

I don't know if a station is required to ID with their virtual channel number as well.

In the digital age, I don't know, but usually all that's required for a legal ID are the call letters and the City of License. They could also use their actual channel number.

 

[cd637299]

I don't know if a station is required to ID with their virtual channel number as well.

In the digital age, I don't know, but usually all that's required for a legal ID are the call letters and the City of License. They could also use their actual channel number.

That's a good question....I'd think that subchannels would have to ID with virtual channel number, if for no other reason, to distinguish from the main channel. The subs in my area (outside of Antenna TV so far) all seem to ID with the virtual ch #.

cd

 

[dave73]

I don't know if a station is required to ID with their virtual channel number as well.

In the digital age, I don't know, but usually all that's required for a legal ID are the call letters and the City of License. They could also use their actual channel number.

In the case of WYIN, they ID as WYIN DT-17 Gary/Merrillville (17 is their actual channel number, while 56 is their virtual channel). For the PBS Kids Go channel (programmed by WYIN, they ID the same way, except the channel number is 17.3 in the ID.

 

[pab]

That's a good question....I'd think that subchannels would have to ID with virtual channel number, if for no other reason, to distinguish from the main channel. The subs in my area (outside of Antenna TV so far) all seem to ID with the virtual ch #.

Legal ID requirements are still callsign, city of license. Even for subchannels.

But they don't have to be spoken. They can be visual.

Let's say WPHL in Philadelphia used one of their "Great Entertainer" legal ID's with Wee Willy Webber's voiceover. All they'd have to do is put in tiny print at the bottom: "WPHL-DT2 Philadelphia" and they've ID'd.

 

[OhioMediaWatch]

WJW 8.2 has no IDs of any sort, still...either text or in audio.

No local content or inserts. It's straight off the Antenna TV bird.

I presume their "branding inserter" and spot inserter will be installed soon.

 

[MarcB]

Tonite I was watching The Cool TV.

On Screen:

The Cool TV
Connecticut's 24 hour music video channel.

Tiny Print: WCTX 59.2 New Haven Hartford.

Voice-Over: "You're watching The Cool TV. Connecticut's 24 hour music video channel."

 

[NYC viewer]

> I wonder what the EI logo looks like on Antenna TV (I was supposed to get it, but still don't).

Here in NYC, I can barely make out capital letters E/I in gray in the lower left corner. Only really visible when something in a light color is on the screen.

 

[ansky212]

> I wonder what the EI logo looks like on Antenna TV (I was supposed to get it, but still don't).

Here in NYC, I can barely make out capital letters E/I in gray in the lower left corner. Only really visible when something in a light color is on the screen.

Yeah, there is a ton of compression on WPIX 11.4 (I guess that's what happens when you have a main channel plus 3 additional subchannels). Antenna TV's PQ in general is pretty bad on my 46" LCD, but looks fine on a smaller old tube tv.

 

[azumanga]

> I wonder what the EI logo looks like on Antenna TV (I was supposed to get it, but still don't).

Here in NYC, I can barely make out capital letters E/I in gray in the lower left corner. Only really visible when something in a light color is on the screen.

Another sign of a station keeping only with the letter of the law, but not the spirit.

 

[JeeperOne]

And don't forget My Network TV which never had a network logo in the five years they were on. But they did have a show logo on the lower left corner of the screen during the "telenovelas"....

MyNetwork TV is still around (Don't know where you got the information that they weren't) & they do have a network logo. You can find it on WikiPedia. It's just shown only during network programming hours.

Cheers

 

[Iowan]

I meant there have never been any My Network TV logos on during the shows.

Speaking of which, I thought EI shows were supposed to be ID'd as such. Usually, Magi-nation is, but on Friday's telecast, not only was 'This' logo missing during the entire run, but so was the EI logo on the upper right hand corner of the TV screen! Could This TV or local stations get in trouble for this?

The same show did have an EI logo on Toonzai yesterday morning.

Also, is it true that the networks can get in trouble with the FCC for having their network logos bigger than the EI logo on such shows? If it is, then the following networks are guilty as charged: ABC, CBS, The CW, NBC, and This TV...