any terrestrial stations, or internet streamers playing new music from veteran country stars? new music has been released in 2011, and 2010 from dolly parton, merle haggard, connie smith, kentucky head hunters, marty stuart. new music is also due out soon from don williams, and even deborah allen, according to one poster. the classic country stations play um, classics. new country stations play um, the current top 10, and recurrents, and recent gold. are you out there, anyone?
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Any outlets playing new music from country veteran acts?
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I am playing the latest Dolly Parton song, "Together You and I" and recently played George Jones "I Ain't Ever Slowing Down" in regular rotation. I also have played some fairly recent Deborah Allen "My Baby" from 2010.
Haven't heard the others yet. I do receive a lot of mail from artists wanting airplay!
Haven't heard the others yet. I do receive a lot of mail from artists wanting airplay!
Play the Dolly and the New Deborah Allen...
There is a Real Country station I like in the mountains whose web site shows most of the men who were popular only a few years ago, many of whom are still popular. That format likely is doing it.
I remember when one station I listened to switched to Real Country back in the late 90s, the DJs were really excited about playing the new song "I'm from the Country", by Tracy Byrd, who was not a veteran. Given that the format still leans heavily toward the new artists, but not the brand new artists who weren't popular a few years ago, I'd say chances are pretty good for a veteran with a new song.
Locally in the morning, the station in the mountains seems to lean even more heavily toward current songs.
I remember when one station I listened to switched to Real Country back in the late 90s, the DJs were really excited about playing the new song "I'm from the Country", by Tracy Byrd, who was not a veteran. Given that the format still leans heavily toward the new artists, but not the brand new artists who weren't popular a few years ago, I'd say chances are pretty good for a veteran with a new song.
Locally in the morning, the station in the mountains seems to lean even more heavily toward current songs.
We do at WKDZ-FM (wkdzradio.com listen online)! We are spinning the new Ronnie Milsap and Dolly. Dolly has been bumped down to a recurrent now and Ronnie's is likely to go there soon. We even sent a listener down to Nashville (only an hour and a half away from the station) and meet Ronnie plus go backstage at the Opry and hang out with him there. Was a huge success for us!
We are a former 'Real Country' station. We used to carry them (Real Country) from 6P-5A but now only carry them on the weekends and overnights. I do afternoons (1-3) and evenings (6-12a) now and we, as a station, are over 60% live and local.
Country isn't an artist based format anymore and that's hurt the success of established, older, artist trying to make another go of it in the business. Lets be honest, country has gotten away from the 'core' artist that many grew up listening to. Then there are the flops that the older artist have put out like Charlie Pride's last release back at the first part of the summer. What a joke! I'm also not a fan of Ronnie's new single but it is what it is. If we stopped playing it tonight it wouldn't hurt my feelings.
We are a former 'Real Country' station. We used to carry them (Real Country) from 6P-5A but now only carry them on the weekends and overnights. I do afternoons (1-3) and evenings (6-12a) now and we, as a station, are over 60% live and local.
Country isn't an artist based format anymore and that's hurt the success of established, older, artist trying to make another go of it in the business. Lets be honest, country has gotten away from the 'core' artist that many grew up listening to. Then there are the flops that the older artist have put out like Charlie Pride's last release back at the first part of the summer. What a joke! I'm also not a fan of Ronnie's new single but it is what it is. If we stopped playing it tonight it wouldn't hurt my feelings.
thanks for the reply, boys! i hoped a few would chime in. ive been on this crusade for years, now decades! by no means do i think veteran artists/groups, deserve airplay, based upon their past performance, if the new/current recordings are junk. however, most of these acts, have been literally radio black balled, due to age discrimination, regardless of recording quality. if you look at the major market country radio conglomerates, you'll find virtually zero promotion, or airplay for these country artists. because these outlets control the music narrative, via rotations, none of these artists get any chart action. this in turn creates little if any airplay on the medium, and small market stations, who parrot the latest charts as manipulated by the big boys. sales also suffer, as most listeners are not aware of new releases. the major market elite w/consultant hand holding, set the playlists, aimed at pre 30 year old urbanites, with the latest instant appeal pop pushed from nashville. the preset thinking is, no listeners are interested in new music from the old crowd(hell, even the old hits are out of site, out of mind). kind of a self fullfilling prophecy for the last 20 years, huh? here is the deal, if willie nelson, or merle releases good new material, and get spins, it will become an easy hit, case closed. while i dont expect major markets to ever again play new merle, or willie, since only a few players control the preset agenda. i wonder about all those medium and small markets, who actually have the power to rotate this stuff. a lot of these artists, like merle, george, dolly,and willie, have entertained us for decades with their God given talent, and given their life to this great American art form, called country music. i'll be damned if im gonna sit back and not point a finger at those elites who control the playlist narrative, and black ball great music from these veterans.
oh by the way, new music is out from glen campbell now, and mac davis will have his first new release out in over 20 years. hank jr.s latest "keep the change" was a hit, but no one touched it! instead radio force fed us the latest candy coated crack from some boy band.
oh by the way, new music is out from glen campbell now, and mac davis will have his first new release out in over 20 years. hank jr.s latest "keep the change" was a hit, but no one touched it! instead radio force fed us the latest candy coated crack from some boy band.
You can go to Deborah Allen's youtube channel http://www.youtube.com/deborahallen and search there. I believe that she has posted a video of herself visiting country stations promoting her song "Anything Other Than Love." It's a humorous little video and fun to watch, but it's a shame that she is (still) having to promote herself this way after all these years. (She visits one station whose current parent company also owns a station that I used to work for, and she also visits another station in which a former coworker of mine later went to work.)
Currently we are spinning the new stuff from Tracey Lawrence, Dolly, Ronnie, and one other I can't remember. Do I think it gives us an edge over the market leading station (WVVR)? Not really in the grand scheme of things. But I suppose it is neat to hear the new stuff from the older stars in the genre. I do wish the larger markets would pay attention to country music fans a little more. They don't want to hear all new stuff constantly. Country music fans really do embrace the older country and want to still hear it more than they do.
America's Best Music (satellite classic pop) is playing new material from Johnny Mathis and Neil Diamond. Are any country stations playing their songs? Of course neither of them is known for country, though Diamond came closer.
I haven't heard the new Johnny Mathis or Neil Diamond. On occasion, I have played a few older songs, such as Diamond's "Desiree."
There's no way one station can be all things to all people. Big D Country's current mix is overall the
most popular one I have done in the country realm. I too am playing the new Dolly, Tracy Lawrence, Ronnie. Sawyer Brown has a new release called "Travelin' Band" that I've heard and will probably add within the next week.
Sometimes we don't play songs simply because we don't know about them. Overall, though, the record labels and folks are sending me lots of material.
There's no way one station can be all things to all people. Big D Country's current mix is overall the
most popular one I have done in the country realm. I too am playing the new Dolly, Tracy Lawrence, Ronnie. Sawyer Brown has a new release called "Travelin' Band" that I've heard and will probably add within the next week.
Sometimes we don't play songs simply because we don't know about them. Overall, though, the record labels and folks are sending me lots of material.
hats off to some of you small market, and internet programmers, who are givin' some of the veterans a few spins, despite the fact they aint gonna TOP40 chart, thanks to major market black balling. however, it would be a different story if you all wore PD/MD stripes at a major market racket, and decided to rotate that new dolly song. would it be looked upon as some kind of insubordination, against all them upper hierachy white collar elites breathing down your back from corporate headquarters in a far away city?
then again, the smart maverick programmer would instinctly know a new dolly parton song(if its good), would be a good morning show presell, and conversation bit. yep, even in a big city market. afterall, dolly is still well known, and well loved by all, regardless of age. kind of like willie nelson. if this maverick, proactive programming move gets a good response, the other markets may even follow, and put the song on rotation. the maverick programmer will be looked upon as a genius. yet, there is really nothing genius about it. in fact, its a no brainer. yet, my fellow major market programming elite, its a lot easier to just follow the stale pack of other stations, and follow the leader consultants. let us not create any kind of programming controversy. lets see how long we can keep our job, by being a "yes" man. sorry but, that aint the kind of spirit that built this great country, and its great heritage of country music.
by the way, a little bird(er big bird) told me, new music out in 2012, from the group alabama. wonder how that will be rc'd by the major market elite? to ignore, or not?
then again, the smart maverick programmer would instinctly know a new dolly parton song(if its good), would be a good morning show presell, and conversation bit. yep, even in a big city market. afterall, dolly is still well known, and well loved by all, regardless of age. kind of like willie nelson. if this maverick, proactive programming move gets a good response, the other markets may even follow, and put the song on rotation. the maverick programmer will be looked upon as a genius. yet, there is really nothing genius about it. in fact, its a no brainer. yet, my fellow major market programming elite, its a lot easier to just follow the stale pack of other stations, and follow the leader consultants. let us not create any kind of programming controversy. lets see how long we can keep our job, by being a "yes" man. sorry but, that aint the kind of spirit that built this great country, and its great heritage of country music.
by the way, a little bird(er big bird) told me, new music out in 2012, from the group alabama. wonder how that will be rc'd by the major market elite? to ignore, or not?
You guys act like this just started last year or something. Here's a fact for you: Roy Acuff was 55 the year "Once More" became his last Top 10. I'm talking about Roy Acuff, not Sheb Wooley. He owned Nashville in 1958. But he couldn't get a hit on the radio any more. He had been eclipsed by the next generation of hot new singers like George "Thumper" Jones. Roy was a lot more diplomatic about his lack of radio airplay than Jones was when the same thing happened to him. That's show biz folks. One day you're hotter than a hootchie coochie, the next day you're cold beans.
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So true, I went back and watched a Country Radio seminar reel (video) back in 1993 and most of the groups have retired, or not recording anymore. I'm feel i'm still too young to be this damn old. ;D
Next month is 20 years when I signed on WPIK FM in the Florida Keys. It was the first country FM there. We played the classics, along with the new stuff (at the time) now it is considered classic. Seems like another time. Wow!
Next month is 20 years when I signed on WPIK FM in the Florida Keys. It was the first country FM there. We played the classics, along with the new stuff (at the time) now it is considered classic. Seems like another time. Wow!
scott salvatori said:
This song never charted anywhere...How can you possibly say it was a hit? My station spun it as an extra but the vocals were flat, sharp, here and there. and after five weeks or so when it was obvious that no chart action was happening on Mediabase, Musicrow or New Music Weekly we dumped it...So where were you looking that this novelty was a hit?
i shall redo the wording correctly: "woulda been a chart hit, but no one touched it".
it never got the exposure or rotation on major market radio, therefore it did not become known, and become a hit. if radio rotated it, and made it known, it woulda had an easy quick top 40 entrance over several weeks. the hank/mon night football controversy was well known by the masses, and the song recorded within days. timing is everything, and would have been great morning show fodder on all the nations stations, along with song exposure, then requests, then chart moves. but, hank jr is considered a chart has-been, and therefore blackballed by the centralized control in the major markets. cause and effect then dictates no chart action, and song death. same thing with david allen coe, who timely released a song("leave ol' willie alone") about willie nelsons marijuana arrest last year. great little novelty number that woulda been a hit, if it got the morning show talk, and rotation. but, that cute little taylor swifts tweets musta got more juices flowing amongst the morning show producers. how do you spell blackball buddy?
by the way, ted i applaud you for giving it some spins on your outlet!
it never got the exposure or rotation on major market radio, therefore it did not become known, and become a hit. if radio rotated it, and made it known, it woulda had an easy quick top 40 entrance over several weeks. the hank/mon night football controversy was well known by the masses, and the song recorded within days. timing is everything, and would have been great morning show fodder on all the nations stations, along with song exposure, then requests, then chart moves. but, hank jr is considered a chart has-been, and therefore blackballed by the centralized control in the major markets. cause and effect then dictates no chart action, and song death. same thing with david allen coe, who timely released a song("leave ol' willie alone") about willie nelsons marijuana arrest last year. great little novelty number that woulda been a hit, if it got the morning show talk, and rotation. but, that cute little taylor swifts tweets musta got more juices flowing amongst the morning show producers. how do you spell blackball buddy?
by the way, ted i applaud you for giving it some spins on your outlet!
scott salvatori said:
Maybe you're too young to remember, but there was a time when Hank's reputation was similar to Jones. Radio stations would promote his shows, and he wouldn't appear. Or he'd come on drunk, curse his way through some songs, and leave early. He did everything he could to alienate the people who loved him. Radio doesn't owe him squat. He's a rich pampered baby who loves to shoot his mouth off, and thinks we all still care. I'm quoting Jones again. Hank has been his own worst enemy. The only thing that kept him current was Monday Night Football, and he blew that up. No way anyone would dare touch him with a ten foot pole. What's the upside? Even his peers have deserted him. Is he in the Hall of Fame yet? No. All of his rowdy friends are in, but not him. There's a message there.
IMHO there were two reasons that song got no airplay. It was his revenge against FOX News for the incident on their morning show and his vocals were not all that good on it. Had he taken the time to get the vocals right then it might have gotten a few more looks....As for the fact that it was basically a novelty response to a political situation, there is no help for that....We spun it because it was timely. I figured other stations would catch on and some second tier stations like mine did...
It's funny we play a show that has up and coming new country talent on our station. The singer/preformers come from around the world and strange enough most of their music would be considered classic country in the USA today but if you ask the young talented people which we have many times they will tell you they would prefer to sing country music and not the newer stuff that the USA is putting out now as they don't really to care for it. They are also making it into the country music charts with good numbers around the world in just about every country except here in the good ol USA and many are being asked to tour and play in many countries, so what are we doing wrong in this country that you never hear about these new young singer/preformers that the rest of the world knows about. I guess they don't fit into what the popular USA country music heads think todays country music should be ie:country/rap, country/rock, country/pop. Funny thing is the rest of the world doesn't seem to care so anywhere but here they are considered up and coming country music stars.
Gatekeeper007 said:
Right now, about one third of the country airplay chart is made up of new artists on their first singles. Kip Moore, Andy Gibson, Jana Kramer, Casey James, Brantley Gilbert, and Scotty McCreery. All brand new. So it's not that country radio isn't playing brand new artists. It's that there are SO MANY new artists to pick from.
The other day I heard Hank do a version of "A Country Boy Can Survive" which mentioned Y2K and "bank machines". The term Y2K wasn't used when the original was recorded and there were only a few "bank machines" so this must have been newer. It was on WBRF's outlaw show.TheBigA said:
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