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Any TV Stations In Your Area ID'ing with Their Digital Channel?

Markxxx

Markxxx

Just wondering, in Chicago I only see WYCC Channel 20 identifying with it's Digital Channel. (WYCC is a secondary PBS channel in Chicago)

They ID as WYCC-TV Channel 20, WYCC-DT Channel 21

Most others I've seen either ID as WCIU-TV / WCUI-DT and leave the channels out all together. Which is probably least confusing for everyone.

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> Just wondering, in Chicago I only see WYCC Channel 20
> identifying with it's Digital Channel. (WYCC is a secondary
> PBS channel in Chicago)
>
> They ID as WYCC-TV Channel 20, WYCC-DT Channel 21
>
> Most others I've seen either ID as WCIU-TV / WCUI-DT and
> leave the channels out all together. Which is probably least
> confusing for everyone.

Well, if a station maps to their familiar analog channel number, there is no need to identify the DTV channel number at all.

What does WYCC-DT map to? 20 or 21?

> Any other stations that you know of that use a digital
> channel with their IDs?

Two come to mind immediately, but both have already surrendered their analog licenses:

KCSM-DT/43 San Mateo, CA
KVMD-DT/23 Twentynine Palms, CA

But I suspect you meant stations that are still simulcasting analog and digital?<P ID="signature">______________


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FCC rules require stations to identify using their analog channel. You are not to use your digital channel in your ID even if you have turned in your analog frequency.

If a station is broadcasting something on both its analog and digital channel you can use the WZZZ/DT format. If the programming is only broadcast on the digital channel (i.e. 24 hour weather), you must identify using the WZZZ-DT format.
 
> FCC rules require stations to identify using their analog
> channel. You are not to use your digital channel in your ID
> even if you have turned in your analog frequency.
>
> If a station is broadcasting something on both its analog
> and digital channel you can use the WZZZ/DT format. If the
> programming is only broadcast on the digital channel (i.e.
> 24 hour weather), you must identify using the WZZZ-DT
> format.

Please cite where this is stated in the Rules. I just searched all the relevant sections of Part 73 and could not find anything that confirms your statement.<P ID="signature">______________


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> Just wondering, in Chicago I only see WYCC Channel 20
> identifying with it's Digital Channel. (WYCC is a secondary
> PBS channel in Chicago)
>
> They ID as WYCC-TV Channel 20, WYCC-DT Channel 21
>
> Most others I've seen either ID as WCIU-TV / WCUI-DT and
> leave the channels out all together. Which is probably least
> confusing for everyone.
>
> Any other stations that you know of that use a digital
> channel with their IDs?
>
A lot of the Milwaukee ones do.

WBBM-2 Chicago does as well.<P ID="signature">______________

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> Just wondering, in Chicago I only see WYCC Channel 20
> identifying with it's Digital Channel. (WYCC is a secondary
> PBS channel in Chicago)
>
> They ID as WYCC-TV Channel 20, WYCC-DT Channel 21
>
> Most others I've seen either ID as WCIU-TV / WCUI-DT and
> leave the channels out all together. Which is probably least
> confusing for everyone.
>
> Any other stations that you know of that use a digital
> channel with their IDs?
>

In Birmingham, WBRC-6 and WABM-68 list their digital channels (50 and 36, respectively) in their IDs. None of the others do.
 
In DC, WRC, WTTG, WJLA, and WUSA (how could you not notice with 9) ID their DT signal, but not in the opening of their newscasts....except of course, 9.

In Hagerstown, WHAG-TV 25 shows a top of the hour ID in the bottom right of the screen as "WHAG-TV/WHAG-DT Hagerstown, MD".

In Baltimore, WBAL 11 and WJZ 13 ID the beginning of their newscasts with their DT ID.

'BAL as "WBAL-TV...WBAL-DT Baltimore"
'JZ as "WJZ-TV...WJZ-DT...and WJZ.com...Baltimore"

WMAR does not do this in their newscasts or anywhere else. As for WUTB, WBFF, or WNUV, I am not sure since I don't get there here.

In Harrisonburg, WHSV also shows their top of the hour ID in the bottom right of the screen as "WHSV-TV/DT".

Rock on,

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WCVB-TV Channel 5/Boston also ID's it's HD location sometimes at the end of newscasts and also in station break ID's. Offhand, I have no idea what their digital location is and dont care to try looking it up. I just felt like answering the question. ;o)
 
Detroit's WWJ 62 (CBS) has IDs that say "WWJ-TV62/DT 44". In Erie, WICU 12 (NBC), WJET 24 (ABC), and I think also WFXP 66 (FOX) show their DT channel in IDs. I thought I saw a DT channel in a WOIO 19 (CBS) Shaker Heights/Cleveland ID, but I'm not 100% sure.<P ID="signature">______________
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> Just wondering, in Chicago I only see WYCC Channel 20
> identifying with it's Digital Channel. (WYCC is a secondary
> PBS channel in Chicago)
>
> They ID as WYCC-TV Channel 20, WYCC-DT Channel 21
>
> Most others I've seen either ID as WCIU-TV / WCUI-DT and
> leave the channels out all together. Which is probably least
> confusing for everyone.
>
> Any other stations that you know of that use a digital
> channel with their IDs?

If you mean what I think you mean...

Locally, I've seen only my PBS say anything about their digital channel number.

WBRA-TV 15 & WBRA-DT 3
WMSY-TV 52 & WMSY-DT 42
WSBN-TV 47 & WSBN-DT 32

That's the only station I receive regularly that does that I think, though WDBJ promotes their digital station heavily. WDBJ-DT is shown ABOVE WDBJ-7 in the intros to the newscasts, and is in promos, though channel 18 is never mentioned.

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> Just wondering, in Chicago I only see WYCC Channel 20
> identifying with it's Digital Channel. (WYCC is a secondary
> PBS channel in Chicago)
>
> They ID as WYCC-TV Channel 20, WYCC-DT Channel 21
>
> Most others I've seen either ID as WCIU-TV / WCUI-DT and
> leave the channels out all together. Which is probably least
> confusing for everyone.
>
> Any other stations that you know of that use a digital
> channel with their IDs?
>

Phoenix:
KPNX 12/KPNX-DT 36
KPHO-TV 5/DT-17
KPAZ 21/KPAZ-DT 20
KPPX 51/KPPX-DT 52

Wilkes-Barre PA:
WBRE-TV 28/WBRE-DT 28-1
Does WYOU do the same now?
 
WRNN-DT in Kingston, NY is ID-ing just their digital channel and their LP in Nyack.

<img src=http://www.nytv.org/images/WRNN_2005_ID.jpg>

I think they shut their analogue transmitter down a while back.
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In the Raleigh-Durham-Fayetteville market, two stations show their digital channel number in their IDs: Shop at Home affiliate WRAY-TV in Wilson puts up an ID slide which show channels 30 and 42. "i" affiliate WRPX-TV, Rocky Mount flashes up an ID that says "WRPX-TV 47/ WRPX-DT 15, ...". Though I can't receive them in the Raleigh and Durham portion of the market, Fayetteville's WFPX-TV 62 likely IDs their WFPX-DT 36 the same way, as they are run from WRPX.

> WCVB-TV Channel 5/Boston also ID's it's HD location
> sometimes at the end of newscasts and also in station break
> ID's. Offhand, I have no idea what their digital location
> is and dont care to try looking it up. I just felt like
> answering the question. ;o)
>
 
> They ID as WYCC-TV Channel 20, WYCC-DT Channel 21
>
> Any other stations that you know of that use a digital
> channel with their IDs?

"KING TV5 DT48 Seattle Tacoma Everett", as seen on their newscast open.<P ID="signature">______________
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> Just wondering, in Chicago I only see WYCC Channel 20
> identifying with it's Digital Channel. (WYCC is a secondary
> PBS channel in Chicago)
>
> They ID as WYCC-TV Channel 20, WYCC-DT Channel 21
>
> Most others I've seen either ID as WCIU-TV / WCUI-DT and
> leave the channels out all together. Which is probably least
> confusing for everyone.
>
> Any other stations that you know of that use a digital
> channel with their IDs?
>
I live in Indianapolis and or locals do not, but I was visiting the Quad Cities last weekend and KWQC/6 was IDing as KWQC/DT 56 also.
 
> > FCC rules require stations to identify using their analog
> > channel. You are not to use your digital channel in your
> ID
> > even if you have turned in your analog frequency.
> >
> > If a station is broadcasting something on both its analog
> > and digital channel you can use the WZZZ/DT format. If
> the
> > programming is only broadcast on the digital channel (i.e.
>
> > 24 hour weather), you must identify using the WZZZ-DT
> > format.
>
> Please cite where this is stated in the Rules. I just
> searched all the relevant sections of Part 73 and could not
> find anything that confirms your statement.
>
The FCC does not require the channel number in an ID. They say you CAN but it isn't a must.

That is why a lot of stations do the WFLD-TV/DT. They can make up only one slide.

I noticed we have "ME-TV" on Channel 23 (WWME-CA)which is a low power station.

WCIU-TV Channel 26, which owns it.

On WWME-CA when they ID they put

WWME-CA /Chicago
WCIU-DT / Chicago

I think that is a bit cheating because ME-TV is carried on Channel 27.2, another low power is 27.3 and WCIU is 27.1

I noticed, when I had cable and ABC had a news channel, WLS-TV would put in a seperate card for their stations saying WLS-DT 7.2

The only possible reasons I see for IDing a channel is, when I read posts in Usenet or AVSforums, I see a lot of times people complain about PSIP screwing up (in Chgo this seems to be a real issue with WGBO Channel 66), so they have to enter the actual DTV number on their tuner to get it to tune in correctly.

Also in the rash of discussions for converter boxes for digital signals to analog TV, I noticed several manufactures said that they could make a converter box for under $10.00 provided all it did was convert signals and didn't have any of the fancy steps like PSIP, so maybe some people are thinking not all boxes will have that.

So maybe that has something to do with it.


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> > FCC rules require stations to identify using their analog
> > channel. You are not to use your digital channel in your
> ID
> > even if you have turned in your analog frequency.
> >
> > If a station is broadcasting something on both its analog
> > and digital channel you can use the WZZZ/DT format. If
> the
> > programming is only broadcast on the digital channel (i.e.
>
> > 24 hour weather), you must identify using the WZZZ-DT
> > format.
>
> Please cite where this is stated in the Rules. I just
> searched all the relevant sections of Part 73 and could not
> find anything that confirms your statement.
>
He's right, the FCC now requires TV stations to identify using only the analog number and FCC also requires stations to identify TV/DT when simulcast (and non-simulcast digital streams have to identify -DT).

I'll research when in office Monday, but I recall these are in different places but not in 47CFR73. They are in supplemental rulings related to Dockets on DTV.

So, if a station is WXYZ-TV on ch. 11 and has DTV on ch. 36 the FCC expects i.d. to show WXYZ-TV & WXYZ-DT (or WXYZ-TV/DT) channel 11, and they also expect DTV PSIP to show 11.x and not 36.x (and if station is WXYZ(TV) then FCC expects WXYZ/WXYZ-DT) and if station WXYZ's DTV channel includes non-simulcast streams, each one has to i.d. as WXYZ-DT (i.e., UPN or weather channel).

And even crazier, if station elects to keep DTV channel and return analog channel, the FCC says PSIP will forever remain the analog number - and any new user in town who maybe activates LP or DTV on the former analog spectrum has to identify using the former analog station's digital channel number. This is really viewer friendly!

The FCC Rules on station identification and use of PSIP are kinda clunky and unbelievable.
 
Here in Dallas, 3 of the 4 major stations (FOX 4, NBC 5, CBS 11) ID with DT, especially during sporting events and other things of the sort, for instance, the horse races earlier today on NBC, and Florida/Georgia on CBS. I wasn't watching 15 mintues ago, but earlier they did. (ABC 8 doesnt)

And our PBS doesn't. KERA-13. Atleast, I'm pretty sure they don't. I only watch Charlie Rose and BBC News at 11pm, and 12. I flip between them and Conan, and occasionaly Fergusen. Conan, much better. Then, Tavis Smiley scares me to sleep.

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> He's right, the FCC now requires TV stations to identify
> using only the analog number and FCC also requires stations
> to identify TV/DT when simulcast (and non-simulcast digital
> streams have to identify -DT).
>
> I'll research when in office Monday, but I recall these are
> in different places but not in 47CFR73. They are in
> supplemental rulings related to Dockets on DTV.

I'll be most interested to see the citations on this, since the rules, at least in Part 73, are at best unclear and at worst contradictory right now.

If you believe the data in the FCC's own CDBS database, there's no such thing as a "-DT" call. DTV broadcasts are licensed under the same facility ID number and thus the same callsign as the parent NTSC station, with the only difference in the "service" designation (DT instead of TV).

So for my local WXXI-TV, there are three records in the database: an analog license on channel 21, a DTV license on channel 16 and a DTV modified CP on channel 16. All are facility ID # 57274, and all bear the callsign "WXXI-TV" in CDBS. If you follow the ID rules in Part 73, it seems to me that the correct ID would therefore be "WXXI-TV Rochester" for both services. Again, if this has been contradicted in a supplemental ruling, I haven't seen it, but I'd like to.

There is, in any event, little reason for a thinking broadcaster to use an on-screen ID like "WCBS-TV2/DT56", since no viewer sees WCBS-TV's digital signal as "56," but rather as "2-1." As noted in another post above, the fact that the digital signal's riding somewhere in the 700 MHz range, rather than on the 54-60 MHz "channel 2," is irrelevant to the DTV viewer.


>
> So, if a station is WXYZ-TV on ch. 11 and has DTV on ch. 36
> the FCC expects i.d. to show WXYZ-TV & WXYZ-DT (or
> WXYZ-TV/DT) channel 11, and they also expect DTV PSIP to
> show 11.x and not 36.x (and if station is WXYZ(TV) then FCC
> expects WXYZ/WXYZ-DT) and if station WXYZ's DTV channel
> includes non-simulcast streams, each one has to i.d. as
> WXYZ-DT (i.e., UPN or weather channel).
>
> And even crazier, if station elects to keep DTV channel and
> return analog channel, the FCC says PSIP will forever remain
> the analog number - and any new user in town who maybe
> activates LP or DTV on the former analog spectrum has to
> identify using the former analog station's digital channel
> number. This is really viewer friendly!
>
> The FCC Rules on station identification and use of PSIP are
> kinda clunky and unbelievable.
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Eveybody in the Lincoln/Omaha market appears to be ID'ing it all. Usually just call letters with -DT on the end. They use their analog channel number in any visuals.
One exception is Channel 8 which is 31. They even changed their sign on their building to reflect DT-31. I see their channel election after analog goes off is....8.
So why bother with a sign? Those aren't cheap!


> Just wondering, in Chicago I only see WYCC Channel 20
> identifying with it's Digital Channel. (WYCC is a secondary
> PBS channel in Chicago)
>
> They ID as WYCC-TV Channel 20, WYCC-DT Channel 21
>
> Most others I've seen either ID as WCIU-TV / WCUI-DT and
> leave the channels out all together. Which is probably least
> confusing for everyone.
>
> Any other stations that you know of that use a digital
> channel with their IDs?
>
 
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