Anybody see O and A's "ratings"?

[TowerBuzz]

WHOOOO FAH!!

They get killed, Howard gets 82 million dollars in stock..........HOO HOO HOO. The pestswill kill themselves to spin this but the reality is their boys just not the saviors of very much.

HOO HOO HOO

 

[htowler]

down 0.1 Hard to kill sumthin that is already dead

 

[neo11]

Numbers can't be posted here, but it was quoted on the "other" board that O&A saw big declines in their target demos...18-34 and 25-54, overall and among males. This is bad news...usually a talk format of any kind or a morning show builds an audience over time. O&A seems to be eroding one book in. The rest of the station was mostly flat as well, with the only program apparently showing any growth at all being JV & Elvis...and that obviously not being enough to pull Free FM even above a station like WADO! They're also just one-tenth above a Long Island station, WALK-FM, in the overall NYC book.

 

[Tony9000]

Yes numbers are not allowed to be posted, but word on the street is that men 18+ 2.7 mornings at WFNY this comes from another place, and O & A moved to 21st in morning drive. That really is a problem as DLR was 22nd and they fired his ass. As posted above JV and Elvis moved higher about 30+% from the last numbers. Makes you wonder what really is the big show on WFNY. As posted above all the other shows were flat or lower.

 

[cawasinnj]

This could be a big problem. If the ratings really are as bad as what we're seeing, that's going to tempt the two dingbats to pull some kind of stunt that will get them publicity so they'll get some people to tune in.

Of course if they're going to do that they might as well go for broke. They should take a page from their early playbook in Boston and pretend that Gov Spitzer is dead. Just watch what happens when Spitzer blows a gasket. That would be fun to watch. I claim the popcorn concession.

 

[TowerBuzz]

Well I will say it. MAYBE they just are not a big deal anymore. Not a knock on them per se as much as an examination of that genre of radio, looking like quasi shock jock radio is over. Four years is a long time and O and A are not really doing anything ground breaking now. They can say it is FCC restrictions but if I had a penny for everytime someone I know has actually said " I thought I remembered them being funnier before". I also know that it was somewhat unrealistic to expect a 16 share over night but this is also O and A, a show with a history in the market. The way the diaries are weighted now, and men so radically undersampled, if just a few, literally as in say 3 diaries write O and A they would be in good shape as ridiculous as that may sound. I think it may be time to just say it's a show that is not what it used to be, a show that had some truly inspired moments but is not the hottest thing in radio today.

 

[neo11]

Well I will say it. MAYBE they just are not a big deal anymore. Not a knock on them per se as much as an examination of that genre of radio, looking like quasi shock jock radio is over. Four years is a long time and O and A are not really doing anything ground breaking now. They can say it is FCC restrictions but if I had a penny for everytime someone I know has actually said " I thought I remembered them being funnier before". I also know that it was somewhat unrealistic to expect a 16 share over night but this is also O and A, a show with a history in the market. The way the diaries are weighted now, and men so radically undersampled, if just a few, literally as in say 3 diaries write O and A they would be in good shape as ridiculous as that may sound. I think it may be time to just say it's a show that is not what it used to be, a show that had some truly inspired moments but is not the hottest thing in radio today.

To continue on that line of thinking...perhaps this doesn't bode well for the Hot Talk format as a whole in NYC. O & A probably have the most successful track record in NYC of anyone in Free FM's lineup, and their show just does not seem to be bringing in the listeners or creating a "buzz" anymore. It's going to be an uphill battle for Free FM to build an audience if their core dayparts - morning and evening drive - are underperforming, but at the same time, the whole format seems to be underperforming. Radio seems to be searching for the "next" Howard Stern...but there just isn't one...and times have changed since Howard came on the scene.

I personally didn't think it was a wise move to bring back an FM talker in NYC after the format failed on WNEW. Yeah, yeah, s**t happened back then, but the format was not a winner then, and it's certainly not a winner now. They're close to falling behind a Long Island station in the NYC book for christ sake.

 

[SmashTim]

Bad book? Yes. However, one bad book doesn't mean much. If this continues then we do have a problem, but lets not make too much out of just one book. What are the numbers 6-9? Were they trending down all three months? or was it just one brutal month in there? The book isn't good no question, but to throw them under the bus for one book is a bit silly and naive.

 

[WordLife]

Can't judge it all on one book, but I don't recall them doing much better in there other ones...

 

[Hardrocker9]

hahahahahah! Good! that's what CBS gets, crap numbers for removing the Rock. Not the free rock, but K-Rock Radio. I'll contiunue to NEVER tune into 92.3 Free. Let the downward spiral continue, they seem to love this. Failure must be an addiction for them.

 

[Duke of Radio]

Numbers can't be posted here, but it was quoted on the "other" board that O&A saw big declines in their target demos...18-34 and 25-54, overall and among males. This is bad news...usually a talk format of any kind or a morning show builds an audience over time. O&A seems to be eroding one book in. The rest of the station was mostly flat as well, with the only program apparently showing any growth at all being JV & Elvis...and that obviously not being enough to pull Free FM even above a station like WADO! They're also just one-tenth above a Long Island station, WALK-FM, in the overall NYC book.

What other board are you referring to?

 

[TowerBuzz]

Bad book? Yes. However, one bad book doesn't mean much. If this continues then we do have a problem, but lets not make too much out of just one book. What are the numbers 6-9? Were they trending down all three months? or was it just one brutal month in there? The book isn't good no question, but to throw them under the bus for one book is a bit silly and naive.

Yes well [EDIT] Tim you're hardly objective when it coems to O and A. You never see antyhing but their brilliance so your comments are always suspect. Besides it has been more than one book at this point and even if it were only one book you cannot possibly claim that the problem is that people do not know they're on, that is false. They have been promoted hugely. That dog dont hunt as they say.


[EDIT-inflammatory]

 

[Vinny!]

Numbers can't be posted here, but it was quoted on the "other" board that O&A saw big declines in their target demos...18-34 and 25-54, overall and among males. This is bad news...usually a talk format of any kind or a morning show builds an audience over time. O&A seems to be eroding one book in. The rest of the station was mostly flat as well, with the only program apparently showing any growth at all being JV & Elvis...and that obviously not being enough to pull Free FM even above a station like WADO! They're also just one-tenth above a Long Island station, WALK-FM, in the overall NYC book.

KARMA has just bitten O&A and CBS. Fresh 1027 is going down just like Freefm, Blink, Mix, Jack.

Stop the madness!!!! Get rid of Joel Hollander and his cronies.

CBS=CONSTANT BULL SHIT

 

[Indielover]

Too funny...these lame Howard imitators are proven to be just that. So much for the "good" Dr.Sniffen and his half ass board and predictions...Dr. you are a loser who will always be jealous of Howard and his success.
It is only a matter of time before 92.3 changes format and John Manelli is out on his sorry ass.

 

[radiolover78]

KARMA has just bitten O&A and CBS. Fresh 1027 is going down just like Freefm, Blink, Mix, Jack.

Stop the madness!!!! Get rid of Joel Hollander and his cronies.

CBS=CONSTANT BULL ------

This discussion has nothing to do with Fresh 102.7. You used this as an excuse to shoot down CBS Radio. And BTW, Jack has been showing some growth recently.

But back to the discussion, O+A's recent "unsuccess" is quite a problem for Free FM. It'll be interesting to see if their numbers go up or down. If they stay flat or go down, then they're in trouble. JV and Elvis seems to be the only show doing pretty well at Free FM. Perhaps instead of starting another FM talk format, maybe K Rock could have stuck around and JV and Elvis could have replaced Stern.

This will all be interesting to watch.

 

[Starscream]

Call me a devil's advocate, but O&A's core audience is already built in on XM. The XM listeners have no reason listen to Free. It's not like their show is on Free and THEN goes to XM. It's on both - and most people listen primarily to XM from O&A's main audience.

As stated before, one bad book doesn't spell doom and gloom, and we also don't know how much of a lateral shift of listeners went from Free-FM and bought XM.

 

[buckup]

Call me a devil's advocate, but O&A's core audience is already built in on XM. The XM listeners have no reason listen to Free. It's not like their show is on Free and THEN goes to XM. It's on both - and most people listen primarily to XM from O&A's main audience.

As stated before, one bad book doesn't spell doom and gloom, and we also don't know how much of a lateral shift of listeners went from Free-FM and bought XM.

but if they got a diary and wrote they listen to o&a then 92.3 would get the credit. so the fact that they listen on just xm doesnt really hold water

 

[SmashTim]

Bad book? Yes. However, one bad book doesn't mean much. If this continues then we do have a problem, but lets not make too much out of just one book. What are the numbers 6-9? Were they trending down all three months? or was it just one brutal month in there? The book isn't good no question, but to throw them under the bus for one book is a bit silly and naive.

Yes well [EDIT] Tim you're hardly objective when it coems to O and A. You never see antyhing but their brilliance so your comments are always suspect. Besides it has been more than one book at this point and even if it were only one book you cannot possibly claim that the problem is that people do not know they're on, that is false. They have been promoted hugely. That dog dont hunt as they say.


[EDIT-inflammatory]

Nice to see you can respond without attacking somone...

Anyway honestly I very rarley listen to O&A anymore. I mostly work afternoons with some evenings and usually get up either after the show ends or after the Free fm portion ends. So I haven't listened much. When I said one book, I meant one bad book. In the other books, the 12+ numbers weren't particularly great, but the ratings in their target demos were strong, which is what they were hired for. Also keep in mind that those ratings also included the 9-10 hour, which they were not on the air. Even in this book JP & Elvis were quite a bit lower than O&A, and they were much lower than O&A in the previous book, 25% of O'A's ratings come from a much lower rated show, which obviously brings it down.

Anyway bottom line is that, O&A had ONE BAD BOOK, one bad book doesn't mean all that much. Their other books were fine, and they were strong in the target demos, and those numbers are really larger than they appear, because the raings we see is 25% based off a much lower rated show.

 

[Tony9000]

Bad book? Yes. However, one bad book doesn't mean much. If this continues then we do have a problem, but lets not make too much out of just one book. What are the numbers 6-9? Were they trending down all three months? or was it just one brutal month in there? The book isn't good no question, but to throw them under the bus for one book is a bit silly and naive.

Yes well [EDIT] Tim you're hardly objective when it coems to O and A. You never see antyhing but their brilliance so your comments are always suspect. Besides it has been more than one book at this point and even if it were only one book you cannot possibly claim that the problem is that people do not know they're on, that is false. They have been promoted hugely. That dog dont hunt as they say.


[EDIT-inflammatory]

Nice to see you can respond without attacking somone...

Anyway honestly I very rarley listen to O&A anymore. I mostly work afternoons with some evenings and usually get up either after the show ends or after the Free fm portion ends. So I haven't listened much. When I said one book, I meant one bad book. In the other books, the 12+ numbers weren't particularly great, but the ratings in their target demos were strong, which is what they were hired for. Also keep in mind that those ratings also included the 9-10 hour, which they were not on the air. Even in this book JP & Elvis were quite a bit lower than O&A, and they were much lower than O&A in the previous book, 25% of O'A's ratings come from a much lower rated show, which obviously brings it down.

Anyway bottom line is that, O&A had ONE BAD BOOK, one bad book doesn't mean all that much. Their other books were fine, and they were strong in the target demos, and those numbers are really larger than they appear, because the raings we see is 25% based off a much lower rated show.

Really but JV and Elvis were up 30 % in this book. So what really is the problem.....

 

[neo11]

JV & Elvis was the only Free FM show that had any growth...but 30% in itself is insignificant without looking at the actual figures.

Also, for all the complaining many have done about the Radio Chick, she gets the same numbers in afternoon drive as O&A gets in the morning, 12+ (mid 1's).

Free FM, as I've mentioned before, will get more time, but I don't know if more time will do the station much good.