Any thoughts? http://www.aphex.com/products/2020-mk3/ ???
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Aphex 2020 MKIII
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Amazes me they are still selling it new. Far better (real digital) options available at the same price.
Yes, many. But I'll get a ban for putting them on this board ;Djimoneal said:
Just walk away and don't look back...
If you don't push them, they sound decent. Not sure about the price new. I thought they were discontinued.
I have a MKI that I was a leftover back when I ran an internet stream. The only reason I hold on to it is that it's too expensive to upgrade and I'd lose my shirt on it otherwise.
I agree with the earlier poster, if you NEED to win a loudness war, forget about the Aphex. They aren't easy to setup, however, assistance from Aphex is readily available, and Wayne is very helpful. When not pushed too hard, it is a decent sounding box.
I wouldn't buy one new or used, today. Not a bad backup processor.
I wouldn't buy one new or used, today. Not a bad backup processor.
I had one on the air for trial a few years back at a Smooth Jazz station and musically I liked it, but it distorted the microphones like crazy. Much better modern choices.
I had a couple of them at my last job. I could never get them quite dialed in to satisfy either me or the PDs. And the other posters are correct, you can't get both "loud" and "good" with them.
However, the remote software that came with the 2020 worked really well. It was a lot better than trying to use the front panel. Neat thing about it was that you could "drag" the EQ curves around with the mouse.
However, the remote software that came with the 2020 worked really well. It was a lot better than trying to use the front panel. Neat thing about it was that you could "drag" the EQ curves around with the mouse.
I have a couple now at one of my client stations in a big market (stuck with them). There are so many better options out there right now. Options that can change with the uploading of different firmware to do different things or upgrade the sonic signature, such as the addition of the 5th limiter band on the Omnia One, which made a HUGE difference in HF handling.
The 2020 MKIII is set in stone, what it is is what it is. Can't add any bands, change up the filters or improve the clipper because it's all analog. They can be made to sound decent on the studio monitors and smooth, but when you go to your competitor that's running an O-box, especially an 8600 or an 11, you realize how crappy and dull you sound!! They can't handle the HF the way the more modern processors do, the HF limiter was a terrible design all the way around and there's no way to get a clean bright sparkle out of them. It's either dull and clean or bright and busy because the HF control is the release time on the HF limiter. They do have a ton of bass, but it's way more than the HF so they always will sound dull. And you'll never get the loudness that will come out of even a factory preset on the other new boxes. I've used the Omnia 11, and wow, what a processor.
You would be better off building a tank of a PC using a server grade machine with redundant power supplies, solid state HD and the Marian sound card (or just a regular sound card with AES in/out if your exciter does the stereo) and Breakaway. That's if you don't have the budget for the Omnia 9 or 11. The Omnia One also blows the 2020 away too.
The 2020 MKIII is set in stone, what it is is what it is. Can't add any bands, change up the filters or improve the clipper because it's all analog. They can be made to sound decent on the studio monitors and smooth, but when you go to your competitor that's running an O-box, especially an 8600 or an 11, you realize how crappy and dull you sound!! They can't handle the HF the way the more modern processors do, the HF limiter was a terrible design all the way around and there's no way to get a clean bright sparkle out of them. It's either dull and clean or bright and busy because the HF control is the release time on the HF limiter. They do have a ton of bass, but it's way more than the HF so they always will sound dull. And you'll never get the loudness that will come out of even a factory preset on the other new boxes. I've used the Omnia 11, and wow, what a processor.
You would be better off building a tank of a PC using a server grade machine with redundant power supplies, solid state HD and the Marian sound card (or just a regular sound card with AES in/out if your exciter does the stereo) and Breakaway. That's if you don't have the budget for the Omnia 9 or 11. The Omnia One also blows the 2020 away too.
David Reaves said:Well, their website says "The FM Processor of Choice for Loudness and Sound Quality"
So that should settle it.
Isn't it interesting that when your marketing is not congruent with the product (when you claim something that the product doesn't deliver) that it has an opposite effect of what you want? Instead of promotion, you actually loose credibility.
It only goes to prove you can't build a product (or a brand) with marketing - it has to go the other way around...
Regards,
Goran Tomas
Well it seems to work for companies that sell vast amounts of products. There's always somebody ranting about it or claiming it's the best ever. But in a niche market like this I would be very careful in my marketing strategy.Goran Tomas said:
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