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Aphex FM Pro Model 2020 how does it sound? ( against Optimod and Omnia )

>>>It seems like radio (and a lot of the current recording artists) confuses density with loudness. Setting up a processor so that the levels are consistent in a moving car is density. Loudness is when my 2020's sound leaps out of your speakers; density is when your Bob or Frank sits there and cranks out a steady one-dimensional drone.<<<

I am pretty sure you so not know what loudness is.

Loudness is highly correlated to RMS Peak to average ratio. Loudness is a pyscho-accoustic parameter, and as such is rather well defined.

Please define what you call "density".

Also, please define what you mean by "leaps out of the speakers". I doubt that has much to do with density OR loudness, merely "quality".
 
Lee_Sackett said:
It seems like radio (and a lot of the current recording artists) confuses density with loudness. Setting up a processor so that the levels are consistent in a moving car is density. Loudness is when my 2020's sound leaps out of your speakers; density is when your Bob or Frank sits there and cranks out a steady one-dimensional drone.
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Another misnomer...Our product can be setup so that it matches the description mentioned above, where audio leaps out of the speakers, retains clarity and competitive loudness. The difference is the reverse is not true, regarding the other process discussed, when overall loudness is desired.

-Frank Foti
 
SO SAD you have to pick 2,when you could have all 3.Get the Omnia 6,let them tweak it for you,you will be one happy puppy ..Happy Valentines Day...
 
HA HA That is funny, i don't care who you are.Our Omnia 6 sure does all 3 and doesn't even break a sweat..Maybe la guy need to learn the art of setting one up.looks like he's still stuck in the 80's...
 
I have been able to achieve all 3 with an Omnia 6exi, Vorsis AP-1000 and even, IMHO, carefully tuned and modified 8100 XT2's. While the 8100 may stray to the more "punch" than "clean" side, the effects of the processor are very pleasing to my eyes, much more pleasing than the multiband structure of Orban's digital boxes, which sound more synthetic to me, especially under aggressive settings, than the 8100.
 
Lee,

If you get your hands on an Omnia6exi demo, contact me at my web-site, or call Mark Manolio over at Omnia Audio, and ask either of us for a preset I came up with for my station.

Very open, natural, and lots of room to build in loudness while sounding totally natural and open. When I came up with this gem, we couldn't believe we were listening to the radio!

The Omnia can certainly do all kinds of processing styles...just that these days people either do not have the time, (or, in some cases, experience) to properly set up a processor -of any kind - it seems. Do not judge a processor by how OTHER PEOPLE are using it...get them in house on a demo, and play for yourself!

As for the DSP Processor audio sounding like an MP3, that is *ABSOLUTELY NOT* a quality of Bob Orban or Frank Foti's work! In fact I think you nailed it while trying to take a swipe at those two...chances are EXTREMELY HIGH, the radio station(s) in question ARE USING MP3's as source material!! DON'T LAUGH!!! I've SEEN IT OVER AND OVER!!! You can't blame Bob and Frank for the abysmal sound of that kind of material, and not even the 2020 can fix that!

It seems to me that all the broadcast engineering guru's have abandoned radio, and left behind lots of folks struggling to learn how to process audio. It doesn't help much at all lately that the source material can't even be used as a reference for good audio too.

Heck, I got out of the day to day broadcast engineering field myself, but positioning myself to help out in this area!

-C
 
cgould said:
As for the DSP Processor audio sounding like an MP3, that is *ABSOLUTELY NOT* a quality of Bob Orban or Frank Foti's work! In fact I think you nailed it while trying to take a swipe at those two...chances are EXTREMELY HIGH, the radio station(s) in question ARE USING MP3's as source material!! DON'T LAUGH!!! I've SEEN IT OVER AND OVER!!! You can't blame Bob and Frank for the abysmal sound of that kind of material, and not even the 2020 can fix that!
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First, I am not taking a swipe at Bob or Frank; they've both put out some terrific products over the years (um...and Glen Clark, too!). I used their names in a generic sense, and probably shouldn't have.

Second, I'm coming from a different place here, and the buzzwords are legion: warm, smooth, analogue-ish, hi if, etc. Most of the people who post here are concerned with "competitive" levels as a condition of their employment. I'm a supposed "audio technician" at the college station I helped put on the air back in the Eighties. I don't have that pressure on me, it's my call, and I'm exploiting FM's almost high fidelity quality as my sonic signature. Without digging myself in any further, I honestly don't believe that DSP can give me that audio snob sound I'm after. I had a chance to get "Brand X" and passed on it in favor of the 2020.

Third, I've gotten the 2020 right up there with the commercial stations here; my ears weren't lying, and neither am I.

Fourth, I don't want to say what I know about mp3's and radio!

And finally, for the third time, "The 2020 isn't for everyone."
 
No worries, Lee!

My point is, DSP *CAN* sound good on radio...trust me, I'm at a non-com right now, and we've got a nice open sound, very little of the "processing" type sound typically associated with radio. Highs sound natural, no smash, clear. Sounds like there's just a patch cord going between the studio, and whatever radio we're listening to the station on...and the loudness is there!

All of this with an Omnia 6.

I'm not doubting that your 2020 sounds good in your application, but you're really selling DSP short because *you* couldn't get it to sound the way you wanted it to.

The biggest thing to get used to in today's DSP designs is that there is more than one way to skin a cat, in analog, there is typically only one way to do something. So, if you can't get the sound you want one way, then you have to try another.

With the Omnia, you get this by trying different presets, and see which one gets you the sound you want. They are not simply different "knob" settings, but they change lots of parameters 'under the hood' -- stuff you can't get to from the front panel. So if you couldn;t get where you wanted with one preset, you try a different one, and tweak from there.

-C
 
There are some great points, DSP vs "analog"

When I engineering a 1KW AM daytimer I did my best to be "in the middle", trying to sound aggressive and not subject listeners to the fatiguing sound of needle to the end stop processing. Keeping in mind that an upper-band 1KW station isn't going to have the same coverage as a lower-band AM with a better antenna farm I tended to push the processing a bit more. Hell, I have an aircheck of myself doing Christmas Day on the station and you couldn't tell the difference in audio when switching from the Harris main to the lowly LPB running 9 watts post-sunset. This was with a totally analog chain.

On the other hand, you're going to have the situation of college, public and community radio. They are there for program content and not to compete with everybody else on the dial. They will probably process more on the side of the audio purist than being aggressive. It's actually nice to listen to classical, jazz, etc with their carefully set up processing. I've heard all things analog and digital set to a more conservative settings and more any box will do this with minimal grudge. I've heard this with both boxes like an 8100 all the way up to an Omnia.

I think it's all subjective based on programming and the knowledge of the engineer. I have a 2020 MKI on my webstream now and all I can say is that it's ok. The MKIII was much more transparent and the 6200 DAB I had blew everything away. I think DSP will give you certain advantages, but a well designed analog box won't have the digital harshness.
 
Mr. Gould, i think in Lee's case and pardon the pun,it's falling on deaf ears.But if he's comfortable with the 2020 so be it,doubt they could budget for an O6 anyway.Please email me the preset you're talking about.thanks
Q106 [email protected]
 
Perhaps we should be more tolerant of different preferences and choices people have in regards to sound and processors...


Regards,
Goran Tomas
 
Goran Tomas said:
Perhaps we should be more tolerant of different preferences and choices people have in regards to sound and processors...


Regards,
Goran Tomas
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What? Mr-knows-it-all trying to be politically correct, when you have posted incorrect and biased comments.
 
wgliradio said:
C'mon Zeke, you can be just as bad instigating arguments here.
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Slight difference...I have not posted incorrect info. Biased yes, but my info is based upon experience and fact. Can't say the same about my know-it-all.
 
CalifZeke said:
What? Mr-knows-it-all trying to be politically correct, when you have posted incorrect and biased comments.
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*sigh*

And yet more pointless posting from Zeke...have you anything relevant to say? Your agressive 'same-ol'-tone follow up' posting to Goran, and anyone other than Pauly Boy, and Reality Checker is most tiring!
 
stace said:
CalifZeke said:
What? Mr-knows-it-all trying to be politically correct, when you have posted incorrect and biased comments.
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*sigh*

And yet more pointless posting from Zeke...have you anything relevant to say? Your agressive 'same-ol'-tone follow up' posting to Goran, and anyone other than Pauly Boy, and Reality Checker is most tiring!
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Yes, the truth hurts. I don't buy into the opinions of people who carry on, when they obviously have no experience with the device. BTW: My comment about mr. know-it-all is very relevant. Sort of makes your narrow view rather tiring.
 
I saw lots of things regarding to Omnia...

but NOTHING regarding to how the 2020 really sounds against the Optimod 2200 or even the 8200.
So the question is again this. Does anybody expierieced the way the 2020 sounded against an Optimod?

I love the Optimod sound which the 2200 gives (even with less "punch and power" like 8200 does, since it has only 2 band processing)
but how close is the 2020 MKIII ?

THX AGAIN
 
Hey Radiotoday, I propose you that, keep the 2200 to process your presenter voice, the two band of 2200 is excellent for mic and keep your 2020 to process the music, of course you must add an final adder/mixer before feed an external stereo coder to be both mic/music on air as do it on old time radio, that’s all and forget all above opinions, here is NOT the right place to learn any more, most of users are only just to make “fuss” “confusion” and
high SWR:)

Regards to all and PEACE.
XFon
 
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