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Apparently, Young People Can Find The AM Dial

I have been saying this all along. If you put programming on the air that people want to listen to they will tune in wherever that programming is, whether it be AM or FM. The reason it may seem that young people don't like AM is the fact that most young people (at least those I know), don't care about all the left/right political banter that plagues most AM talk shows.
 
From the article... "Roberts says he's particularly pleased with Mike and Mike winning the 18-34s, because every station loves to draw younger listeners. That could also indicate that listeners who didn't grow up assuming WFAN is synonymous with sports talk in New York might be open to alternatives - particularly one tied to the country's best-known sports media brand, ESPN."

This is an important observation; many young sports fans who come or move into the area for the first time aren't tied to any heritage. I find if I'm sampling sports shows during AM or PM drive, I end up more often on ESPN 1050. Yes, WFAN is more local, but if you're not necessarily a die-hard Yankees/Mets/Giants/Jets/etc. fan, you're likely to be more familiar with a Mike and Mike and appreciate the broader topic range the national shows cover...

Granted, I don't think 1050 will ever beat WFAN as this group isn't particularly large, but I think ESPN can build its own faithful following if it focuses on being an alternative, not a one-on-one competitor.
 
ansky212 said:
I have been saying this all along. If you put programming on the air that people want to listen to they will tune in wherever that programming is, whether it be AM or FM. The reason it may seem that young people don't like AM is the fact that most young people (at least those I know), don't care about all the left/right political banter that plagues most AM talk shows.

Here's what I think we see almost anywhere in the world where there is a competitive, free market radio environment (Canada, thus, does not apply but Mexico, Spain, Burkina Faso or the Philipines do):

"Young people" defined as those under around 30, won't listen to news on AM. And they won't listen on FM, either. They won't listen to talk based on political and social issues on either band. They will listen to sports on AM if the sport they are interested in is not broadcast and covered on FM. Since most teams block out local station streaming of sports, those AMs that have significant play by play and team alliances have a classic monopoly. Except for the 6 to 11 year olds who listen to Radio Disney, you won't find music listening to an AM, no matter what the format (and there is music AM in much of the world).

AM stations tried to find ways to survive with music when the swing to FM was going on over 30 years ago, but none were able to sustain music save those that did Al Ham and similar old-demo formats. Of course, the US has the fewest viable AMs per market of any of the developed commercial-radio nations, so many failed because they so vastly underserved their growing markets.

AM radio does not sound good. Noise levels from computers, CFLs and other RF generating devices has reduced the usable signals significantly, and in many homes or offices even 50 kw stations can't be heard clearly... and putting into question the vision of the FCC decades ago when they limited AM to such a low maximum power and simultaneously promoted the building of hundreds and hundreds of 100 watt, 250 watt and 500 watt stations as well as that uniquely American creation, the daytimer.

So, no, younger people will not listen to AM if they can avoid it. In fact, anyone who grew up with FM or grew into it when young... meaning all the boomers... just does not like AM. The proof is in the many many cases where an old-leaning but successful AM added FM or moved to FM. KCBS in San Francisco added an FM simulcast, and immediately shot up in 35-54 year old listeners who were a scarce commodity beforehand.
 
DavidEduardo said:
So, no, younger people will not listen to AM if they can avoid it. In fact, anyone who grew up with FM or grew into it when young... meaning all the boomers... just does not like AM. The proof is in the many many cases where an old-leaning but successful AM added FM or moved to FM. KCBS in San Francisco added an FM simulcast, and immediately shot up in 35-54 year old listeners who were a scarce commodity beforehand.

KCBS is why Cumulus should look at simulcasting or migrating KGO to FM. Before the KCBS simulcast, KGO was usually #1 in the Bay Area. KCBS was still top 5.

Regarding the success of "Mike & Mike" in New York, that's good considering 1050's directional AM signal vs WFAN's 50 kW blowtorch. "Mike & Mike" might've done even better if they were on a class B NYC FM. Where I'm located, 660 comes in well, 1050 is almost unlistenable. I listen to "Mike & Mike" on Sirius/XM.

I may be one of the baby boomers advertisers don't care about, but I'd prefer to listen to news, talk and sports on FM. :)
 
I would be interested in seeing if there is a dip in the ratings of 1050 ESPN if a commercial for Progressive Insurance comes on during "Mike @ Mike (Presented By Progressive)" comes on. I know every time I hear a commercial with that Flo come on, I can't change the dial fast enough.
 
ansky212 said:
I have been saying this all along. If you put programming on the air that people want to listen to they will tune in wherever that programming is, whether it be AM or FM. The reason it may seem that young people don't like AM is the fact that most young people (at least those I know), don't care about all the left/right political banter that plagues most AM talk shows.

The other side of this though is that Mike & Mike is a nationally syndicated show, vs live & local at FAN. What does that say about the value of local hosts talking strictly about local teams among younger listeners?

And does it help that the ESPN channel does a lot to promote M&M, while WFAN gets narry a mention on channel 2. Heck, Mike Francessa does his TV show on Channel 4!
 
DToTheJ said:
I would be interested in seeing if there is a dip in the ratings of 1050 ESPN if a commercial for Progressive Insurance comes on during "Mike @ Mike (Presented By Progressive)" comes on. I know every time I hear a commercial with that Flo come on, I can't change the dial fast enough.

I have seen two brand new ads for Progressive, sans the "Flo" character... except for a bobble-head on the dashboard of the (apparently new spokesperson's) car, that he tweaks at the very end. It's actually quite funny. :D

As for young'uns listening to AM, Disney seems to be keeping a few of 'em around. ;)

Music-on-AM COULD work in a market that is completely devoid of a format with loyal followers, like Smooth Jazz or Classic Christian Contemporay.
 
WPHA said:
As for young'uns listening to AM, Disney seems to be keeping a few of 'em around. ;)

Disney keeps young'uns until about age 12. Then they migrate to the local FM CHR. More likely, it's on to MP3s or maybe Pandora! :)
 
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