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Apple plans HD Radio push.

From Inside Radio...

The iPod could turn from threat to revenue generator, as Apple will reportedly unveil HD Radio-equipped boomboxes with iPod docking at next month's Macworld Expo....

Golly how I miss Good Ol' Pocketradio. Looks like the world might actually be ending. :)

Hey anti folks... Time to wind up the spin machine.

Clouseau
 
This is a good idea (for one thing, it reinforces the fact that radio airplay helps to sell music) but I'm sure iBiquity will demand a portion of the revenue paid by Apple to any station responsible for stimulating an iTunes purchase. I understand this was one of the sticky points in iBiquity's contract agreement; they reserve the right to audit a station's books and take a portion of income from HD Radio "data broadcasting" activities, including multicast channels.

A convenient alternative for non-HD FM broadcasters might be based on RDS, which can also transmit low-bandwidth data such as song tags and station IDs. Apple would be smart to include RDS tagging capability in these boomboxes, so that they can take advantage of the huge market in Europe and other parts of the world.
 
If people are not buying regular HD radios now, what makes you think they will start buying them if they include an iPod dock with tagging capability?

A lot of iPod users use the iTunes radio tuner within iTunes to listen to "radio" and discover new music. From there, it's a simple matter to buy and download songs from within one application.
 
clouseau said:
From Inside Radio...

The iPod could turn from threat to revenue generator, as Apple will reportedly unveil HD Radio-equipped boomboxes with iPod docking at next month's Macworld Expo....

Golly how I miss Good Ol' Pocketradio. Looks like the world might actually be ending. :)

Hey anti folks... Time to wind up the spin machine.

Clouseau

Boomboxes? you mean those things people used to carry on their shoulders and break dance to? I'm sure they'll be a rousing success with the disco crowd. ;D
 
vsa said:
If people are not buying regular HD radios now, what makes you think they will start buying them if they include an iPod dock with tagging capability?

Simple. Apple will provide something the radio industry has never provided - an effective marketing campaign. Apple is very good at making electronic products appear sexy and desirable.

vsa said:
A lot of iPod users use the iTunes radio tuner within iTunes to listen to "radio" and discover new music. From there, it's a simple matter to buy and download songs from within one application.

Terrestrial radio counts nearly the entire American population as its users. Even the ubiquitous iPod can't claim anywhere near that level of penetration. Hit a button on your radio, buy a song from iTunes. Gee, I just can't imagine why Apple would want to do that.

Aside from that, Apple is a technological innovator, and at least in the last 6 or 7 years, they've been very good at spotting trends and capitalizing on them. Apple currently offers the ability to listen to web radio through iTunes, but doesn't own or program any of those stations themselves. I wonder why? Instead, they're forging a partnership with terrestrial radio. Doesn't that strike you as a bit odd? Apple certainly has the capability to do web radio. They could easily offer their own streaming audio, but they're not. Perhaps it's because the future thinking guys at Apple have realized that internet radio is a losing proposition and will continue to be? After all, the big players in that arena are bleeding red ink, and will likely be out of business soon. The RIAA has made sure there will be no profit for anyone in internet radio.

Instead, Apple has chosen to partner with the only really viable promotional tool the recording industry has ever had - radio - and truly become the world's music store. Hear it on HD Radio, buy it on iTunes.

Absolutely brilliant...
 
KB1OKL said:
Boomboxes? you mean those things people used to carry on their shoulders and break dance to? I'm sure they'll be a rousing success with the disco crowd. ;D

I realize you DX fanatics live in the past, but you really should try to get out to a Best Buy, or Circuit City or Frys every now and then. When you pry your hand off the analog tuning knob long enough to make the trip, you'll probably be surprised at the sheer number of iPod "boombox" and "dock" type products.
 
Radioman100 said:
vsa said:
If people are not buying regular HD radios now, what makes you think they will start buying them if they include an iPod dock with tagging capability?

A lot of iPod users use the iTunes radio tuner within iTunes to listen to "radio" and discover new music. From there, it's a simple matter to buy and download songs from within one application.

Terrestrial radio counts nearly the entire American population as its users. Even the ubiquitous iPod can't claim anywhere near that level of penetration. Hit a button on your radio, buy a song from iTunes. Gee, I just can't imagine why Apple would want to do that.

Hit a button on your radio, buy a song from iTunes with only 6 or 7 dropouts per tune, sounds like a great boon for IBOC to me, could be the final nail.
 
KB1OKL said:
Hit a button on your radio, buy a song from iTunes with only 6 or 7 dropouts per tune, sounds like a great boon for IBOC to me, could be the final nail.

Which "final nail" is this? I'm losing count! ;D

Yup, Apple launches HD Radio promotion. That's BOUND to be the "final nail" for HD Radio!

I absolutely love it when the DXers who've never touched an HD Radio start with this stuff. Funny, funny!
 
KB1OKL said:
Hit a button on your radio, buy a song from iTunes with only 6 or 7 dropouts per tune, sounds like a great boon for IBOC to me, could be the final nail.

Congratulations!

It only took 7 replies before a "partnership with the Apple I-Pod" equals yet another "final nail in the coffin".

If you didn't take the under, you lost money...

Ya' know the comedy writers are on strike. How do you guys continue to come up with this stuff?

Clouseau
 
dbdigital said:
I love what MacLife said about this:

"This is great news for the five people who bought the original iPod Hi-Fi."

It just so happens that this tagging feature only works on the least popular iPod. Oh, the humanity!

http://www.maclife.com/article/hd_radio_itunes_web_explosion_and_amazon_loves_apple

db

It's always amusing what you people can come up with when you're desperate to find meaning in something to support your position and it's just not there.

The iPod Hi-Fi is an amplified speaker for the iPod. Any iPod. Nothing more, nothing less. There is no "least popular" iPod that works with it exclusively. MacLife was simply pointing out that they don't believe the iPod Hi-Fi has been a particularly hot seller, which is understandable given its steep price tag (for what it is) and the competition it has from products that offer many more features like remote controls, tuners, CD and DVD players, etc.

See the amplified speaker that is the iPod Hi-Fi for yourself here: http://www.apple.com/ipodhifi/

iPod tagging is already a reality. There are already HD Radios that offer this feature and iPod docking on the market. Apple is coming out with their own, but they endorse the 3rd party ones from companies like Polk Audio too.
 
Radioman100 said:
dbdigital said:
I love what MacLife said about this:

"This is great news for the five people who bought the original iPod Hi-Fi."

It just so happens that this tagging feature only works on the least popular iPod. Oh, the humanity!

http://www.maclife.com/article/hd_radio_itunes_web_explosion_and_amazon_loves_apple

db

It's always amusing what you people can come up with when you're desperate to find meaning in something to support your position and it's just not there.

The iPod Hi-Fi is an amplified speaker for the iPod. Any iPod. Nothing more, nothing less. There is no "least popular" iPod that works with it exclusively. MacLife was simply pointing out that they don't believe the iPod Hi-Fi has been a particularly hot seller, which is understandable given its steep price tag (for what it is) and the competition it has from products that offer many more features like remote controls, tuners, CD and DVD players, etc.

See the amplified speaker that is the iPod Hi-Fi for yourself here: http://www.apple.com/ipodhifi/

iPod tagging is already a reality. There are already HD Radios that offer this feature and iPod docking on the market. Apple is coming out with their own, but they endorse the 3rd party ones from companies like Polk Audio too.

Yes, my mistake. I totally forgot about this product...as did most people, apparently. I suppose my mentioning it was a desperate move on my part, about as desperate as mentioning this non-news item in the first place.

Only time will tell if people will actually bother to a) buy this docking station and b) go through the motions of tagging a song for purchase.

db

db
 
dbdigital said:
about as desperate as mentioning this non-news item in the first place.

How about just a tiny bit of intellectual honesty? The Anti gang waved the "HD is not hip enough for Apple and Ipods and The I phone" flag for over a year.

Don't you think posting a one sentence product release which directly contradicts all of that previous Hooey is maybe just a tad shy of "Desperate?" :)

Just a thought.

Clouseau
 
The iPod must be connected (wired or wireless WiFi/WiMax) to a computer in order to download the "tagged" iTunes. With the necessity of having your iPod connected to your computer any way, why not just listen to web radio (where thousands of stations are available from around the world and many have been tagging tunes for years) and download from iTunes as you are listening?

Many, if not most of the world's broadcast and HD stations are already on the web, along tens of thousands of other stations. WOW! Now that is choice and variety HD radio just can't match. Webradio can share in the new Apple revenue too.

Now there's a real winner!
 
SUPERCASTER said:
The iPod must be connected (wired or wireless WiFi/WiMax) to a computer in order to download the "tagged" iTunes. With the necessity of having your iPod connected to your computer any way, why not just listen to web radio (where thousands of stations are available from around the world and many have been tagging tunes for years) and download from iTunes as you are listening?

Many, if not most of the world's broadcast and HD stations are already on the web, along tens of thousands of other stations. WOW! Now that is choice and variety HD radio just can't match. Webradio can share in the new Apple revenue too.

Now there's a real winner!

We already covered this in reply #5:

Radioman100 said:
Apple currently offers the ability to listen to web radio through iTunes, but doesn't own or program any of those stations themselves. I wonder why? Instead, they're forging a partnership with terrestrial radio. Doesn't that strike you as a bit odd? Apple certainly has the capability to do web radio. They could easily offer their own streaming audio, but they're not. Perhaps it's because the future thinking guys at Apple have realized that internet radio is a losing proposition and will continue to be? After all, the big players in that arena are bleeding red ink, and will likely be out of business soon. The RIAA has made sure there will be no profit for anyone in internet radio.

Instead, Apple has chosen to partner with the only really viable promotional tool the recording industry has ever had - radio - and truly become the world's music store. Hear it on HD Radio, buy it on iTunes.

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that Apple considered the web radio model. Why wouldn't they? If they thought it had the faintest chance of being profitable, I have to think they would be all over it.

The world's largest webcasters are bleeding red ink. That party is now where Napster was in March 2001, not gone yet but definitely circling the bowl. The royalties now required of webcasters make it extremely difficult to become profitable, and have created unacceptable risk in even trying. I figure if two of the new media kingpins, AOL and Yahoo, can't make it work nobody can.

In time, as web radio continues to go away, I suspect most terrestrial broadcasters will also shut down their streaming efforts. The royalties will play a role in that, but the fact that we're moving toward a PPM world and Arbitron doesn't count web radio listening will probably be the final nail. (Oh, geez... Now I'm saying it.)

Essentially, thanks to the RIAA, it has been legislated that the only viable medium for broadcast of music will be terrestrial radio. Of course, they're coming after radio now too, but that's a fight they'll lose, either through the legislative process or in practical implementation. Unlike web radio, the terrestrial radio industry has the muscle to form its own record labels and put the RIAA affiliated ones out of business entirely, at least as far as new music goes.
 
Radioman100 said:
SUPERCASTER said:
The iPod must be connected (wired or wireless WiFi/WiMax) to a computer in order to download the "tagged" iTunes. With the necessity of having your iPod connected to your computer any way, why not just listen to web radio (where thousands of stations are available from around the world and many have been tagging tunes for years) and download from iTunes as you are listening?

Many, if not most of the world's broadcast and HD stations are already on the web, along tens of thousands of other stations. WOW! Now that is choice and variety HD radio just can't match. Webradio can share in the new Apple revenue too.

Now there's a real winner!

We already covered this in reply #5:

Radioman100 said:
Apple currently offers the ability to listen to web radio through iTunes, but doesn't own or program any of those stations themselves. I wonder why? Instead, they're forging a partnership with terrestrial radio. Doesn't that strike you as a bit odd? Apple certainly has the capability to do web radio. They could easily offer their own streaming audio, but they're not. Perhaps it's because the future thinking guys at Apple have realized that internet radio is a losing proposition and will continue to be? After all, the big players in that arena are bleeding red ink, and will likely be out of business soon. The RIAA has made sure there will be no profit for anyone in internet radio.

Instead, Apple has chosen to partner with the only really viable promotional tool the recording industry has ever had - radio - and truly become the world's music store. Hear it on HD Radio, buy it on iTunes.

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that Apple considered the web radio model. Why wouldn't they? If they thought it had the faintest chance of being profitable, I have to think they would be all over it.

The world's largest webcasters are bleeding red ink. That party is now where Napster was in March 2001, not gone yet but definitely circling the bowl. The royalties now required of webcasters make it extremely difficult to become profitable, and have created unacceptable risk in even trying. I figure if two of the new media kingpins, AOL and Yahoo, can't make it work nobody can.

In time, as web radio continues to go away, I suspect most terrestrial broadcasters will also shut down their streaming efforts. The royalties will play a role in that, but the fact that we're moving toward a PPM world and Arbitron doesn't count web radio listening will probably be the final nail. (Oh, geez... Now I'm saying it.)

Essentially, thanks to the RIAA, it has been legislated that the only viable medium for broadcast of music will be terrestrial radio. Of course, they're coming after radio now too, but that's a fight they'll lose, either through the legislative process or in practical implementation. Unlike web radio, the terrestrial radio industry has the muscle to form its own record labels and put the RIAA affiliated ones out of business entirely, at least as far as new music goes.

Wow, now who's sounding desperate? You really fear web radio, don't you? It comes through in everything you write about the subject.

What I want to know is, which crystal ball are you gazing at that definitely says that the current CRB rates will stand and will spell the end of internet radio? And what tea leaves are you reading that says that the RIAA's efforts to impose a performance royalty on radio will meet with total defeat?

Hope, fantasy, wishful thinking? Which is it?

db
 
Maybe terr. radio will actually have to have a larger playlist if they want to get their penny a song for selling an iTune to somebody? I would love a less restricted playlist, and maybe this will help?

Apple can rarely do something wrong, and if they do, they get it right the 2nd time. I'd put my money on Apple instead of Sony the last 5 years.

Now if my 2 rimshot HD-FM stations would stay in HD lock instead of nearly constant flip-flopping between HD and analog, this might just work!
 
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