Apple plans HD Radio push.

[KB1OKL]

Someday I pray you learn how to properly use the quote feature.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. Nothing I can say will change your perspective, which is that of a DXer. You're living in the past, and have no vision for the future.

To be perfectly honest, I could care less what you think because it has absolutely no bearing on what's right for radio. We don't make any money off of out of market listeners, and we certainly don't make any money filling out QSL cards. For the purposes of this discussion, you're irrelevant.

Well actually I am a DXer but I don't feel that I am speaking as one, as most of my observations have been from my car on the way to and home from work (I work both 1st and 2nd shift, depends, so I get morning skywave and evening skywave) and I do not DX in my car, mostly because I have digital readout in my car which does not allow split frequencies of course. But I will say several of my favorite AM stations have been covered with IBOC hash both at night and in the morning, not every day but enough to show me what a problem it is. I love radio and wish you guys all the success in the world, I just don't think IBOC is the way to go.
We DXer's know that we have absolutely no pull with radio people, but we do know radio conditions as well as anyone I would think and we may listen even more than the average radio industry person, in fact I would bet that we do. Not all DXers are anti-IBOC although I would say that the vast majority are, the one's that aren't usually work in the industry.

 

[clouseau]

Someday I pray you learn how to properly use the quote feature.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. Nothing I can say will change your perspective, which is that of a DXer. You're living in the past, and have no vision for the future.

To be perfectly honest, I could care less what you think because it has absolutely no bearing on what's right for radio. We don't make any money off of out of market listeners, and we certainly don't make any money filling out QSL cards. For the purposes of this discussion, you're irrelevant.

Well actually I am a DXer but I don't feel that I am speaking as one, as most of my observations have been from my car on the way to and home from work (I work both 1st and 2nd shift, depends, so I get morning skywave and evening skywave) and I do not DX in my car, mostly because I have digital readout in my car which does not allow split frequencies of course. But I will say several of my favorite AM stations have been covered with IBOC hash both at night and in the morning, not every day but enough to show me what a problem it is. I love radio and wish you guys all the success in the world, I just don't think IBOC is the way to go.
We DXer's know that we have absolutely no pull with radio people, but we do know radio conditions as well as anyone I would think and we may listen even more than the average radio industry person, in fact I would bet that we do. Not all DXers are anti-IBOC although I would say that the vast majority are, the one's that aren't usually work in the industry.

Which stations are you listening to that are experiencing this condition and where are you getting it? I ask because almost without fail, all these "Problems" are while trying to listen to something which is not designed to serve where you are.

Clouseau

 

[KB1OKL]

Well actually I am a DXer but I don't feel that I am speaking as one, as most of my observations have been from my car on the way to and home from work (I work both 1st and 2nd shift, depends, so I get morning skywave and evening skywave) and I do not DX in my car, mostly because I have digital readout in my car which does not allow split frequencies of course. But I will say several of my favorite AM stations have been covered with IBOC hash both at night and in the morning, not every day but enough to show me what a problem it is. I love radio and wish you guys all the success in the world, I just don't think IBOC is the way to go.
We DXer's know that we have absolutely no pull with radio people, but we do know radio conditions as well as anyone I would think and we may listen even more than the average radio industry person, in fact I would bet that we do. Not all DXers are anti-IBOC although I would say that the vast majority are, the one's that aren't usually work in the industry.

Which stations are you listening to that are experiencing this condition and where are you getting it? I ask because almost without fail, all these "Problems" are while trying to listen to something which is not designed to serve where you are.

Clouseau
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Usually WWKB 1520 Buffalo, I'm close to Worcester, MA and there are times (not real often but often enough) when WCKY Cincinnatti 1530 covers WWKB in waves as the stations rolls in. WCKY is twice the distance from here, skywave is very unpredictable in my experience. For ex. I receiver R. Sweden 1179 one night despite WHAM's IBOC which I had phased out successfully.

 

[clouseau]

Well actually I am a DXer but I don't feel that I am speaking as one, <snip> and I do not DX in my car,
<snip>
...Usually WWKB 1520 Buffalo, I'm close to Worcester, MA and ...

Sigh... Right.

Clouseau

 

[dbdigital]

Well, here's a case of being done in by semantics and not reading a news release carefully enough.

http://www.hear2.com/2008/01/apple-is-not-go.html

Apparently, Apple isn't going to be manufacturing anything but is simply pushing the iTunes tagging technology in HD Radio. Subtile wording but a big difference in meaning.

As Mark finishes up:

"Apple's game is to foster an ecosystem which orbits around the center of gravity called the iPod and its partner, iTunes.

Further, Apple believes that the radio industry is full of suckers who will promote the iPod and iTunes for free because we don't realize that such promotion sells more iPods than it does HD tuners.

We should stop looking at clouds and mistaking them for magical fairies."

db

 

[GundamRadioOne]

The idea of "tagging" a song for later purchase on iTunes is an interesting concept, but I am still unclear on the details of how it works in practice. I honestly don't recall the last time I heard a song on the radio that
interested me to the point of buying it. But that is just me. The quality and variety of music on the average user's iPod probably has more variety/diversity than any Clear Channel play list. I have about 90% of
my CD collection ripped and stored on my iPod, along with some content purchased from the iTunes store.

 

[clouseau]

The idea of "tagging" a song for later purchase on iTunes is an interesting concept, but I am still unclear on the details of how it works in practice. I honestly don't recall the last time I heard a song on the radio that
interested me to the point of buying it. But that is just me. The quality and variety of music on the average user's iPod probably has more variety/diversity than any Clear Channel play list. I have about 90% of
my CD collection ripped and stored on my iPod, along with some content purchased from the iTunes store.

Welcome, O' "registered a couple of hours ago" who has only posted on the HD forum person.

It's a pleasure to have you here.

It appears you have a pretty good opinion and knowledge of the ongoing topic.

You can't remember the last time you heard a song on the radio that inspired you to buy it. Yet you claim to have about 90% of your "CD Collection" ripped and stored on your Ipod. Why did you buy the CDs?

You spend a lot of times in the clubs? (Where they don't even usually tell you what you're hearing?)

Are you in radio and have a record rep call on you?

Are you heavy into internet radio and they sold you?

Did you respond to advertising in the record store?

Why did you prichase content in the iTunes store? Was it Their presentation of it? Did you hear it from a friend? Or did you hear it on the radio?

Why did you BUY those CDs? Honesty please.. And welcome...

Clouseau

 

[Radioman100]

Well, here's a case of being done in by semantics and not reading a news release carefully enough.

http://www.hear2.com/2008/01/apple-is-not-go.html

Apparently, Apple isn't going to be manufacturing anything but is simply pushing the iTunes tagging technology in HD Radio. Subtile wording but a big difference in meaning.

As Mark finishes up:

"Apple's game is to foster an ecosystem which orbits around the center of gravity called the iPod and its partner, iTunes.

Further, Apple believes that the radio industry is full of suckers who will promote the iPod and iTunes for free because we don't realize that such promotion sells more iPods than it does HD tuners.

We should stop looking at clouds and mistaking them for magical fairies."

db

Desperate to find anything to bolster his anti-HD stance, Mark misses the point yet again.

Apple has a program whereby they certify accessories for their iPods and iPhones. For makers of iPod gear, the "Made for iPod" label is coveted. Think it's no big deal? It's more than just a label. Apple built in circuitry that identifies unauthorized accessories. Do you think 3rd party manufacturers want a screen to pop up on an iPod or iPhone every time they're plugged in that says the device isn't an official product?

Given the financial incentive Apple has now to push HD Radio, it wouldn't surprise me at all if the "Made for iPod" was no longer granted to non-HD, non tagging iPod dock radios.

 

[GundamRadioOne]

The idea of "tagging" a song for later purchase on iTunes is an interesting concept, but I am still unclear on the details of how it works in practice. I honestly don't recall the last time I heard a song on the radio that
interested me to the point of buying it. But that is just me. The quality and variety of music on the average user's iPod probably has more variety/diversity than any Clear Channel play list. I have about 90% of
my CD collection ripped and stored on my iPod, along with some content purchased from the iTunes store.

Welcome, O' "registered a couple of hours ago" who has only posted on the HD forum person.

It's a pleasure to have you here.

It appears you have a pretty good opinion and knowledge of the ongoing topic.

You can't remember the last time you heard a song on the radio that inspired you to buy it. Yet you claim to have about 90% of your "CD Collection" ripped and stored on your Ipod. Why did you buy the CDs?
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Clouseau:

I try to avoid making claims or statements that I can't back up and I do get a little offended when my
honesty or integrity is questioned. However, to be fair, let me explain myself and answer some of your questions.


I don't spend much time in clubs or bars. In the past I used to frequent a bar that featured a local Bluegrass band, but that was several years ago. I don't work in Radio, either.

Most of my tastes in music (and eventual CD/iTunes purchases) is influenced (more or less) by:

1. Word of mouth from co-workers, colleagues and friends.
2. Browsing record shops and asking staff there for suggestions or recommendations.
3. Yes, I do listen to Internet radio and that does A LOT to influence my purchases. XM Radio
shares some influence as well.
4. Television, Movie and Anime (Japanese Animation) OST recordings. Did I mention that I like Anime? ;D



I am sure that in the past OTA Radio has had some influence on what I bought in the past, but the influence it has now is pretty much nil for me these days. There are two OTA radio stations that listen to in the Indy area, one is locally owned (WTTS 92.3) and the other is a high school station (WBDG 90.9).

What do I listen to? Coldplay, Allison Krause/Union Station, Daft Punk, Beach Boys, Elvis Costello, Patsy Cline, Willie Nelson,Kraftwerk, Gorillaz, Al Green, Arlo Guthrie, Everclear, The Moody Blues, Modest Mouse, Sam Cooke, Beatles... On the Movie/Anime soundtrack side of the house: Fullmetal Alchemist, Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, BLEACH, FLCL as well as Chicago, Hairspray, Dreamgirls, An American Tail, The Lion King... Plus, I have pretty decent collection of classical music.

I think that pretty much covers it. Thanks for the welcome!

Tim Wootton
Indianapolis IN USA

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You spend a lot of times in the clubs? (Where they don't even usually tell you what you're hearing?)

Are you in radio and have a record rep call on you?

Are you heavy into internet radio and they sold you?

Did you respond to advertising in the record store?

Why did you prichase content in the iTunes store? Was it Their presentation of it? Did you hear it from a friend? Or did you hear it on the radio?

Why did you BUY those CDs? Honesty please.. And welcome...

Clouseau

 

[clouseau]

I try to avoid making claims or statements that I can't back up and I do get a little offended when my
honesty or integrity is questioned.

Sorry. I could have phrased that better. My apologies.

However, to be fair, let me explain myself and answer some of your questions.


I don't spend much time in clubs or bars. In the past I used to frequent a bar that featured a local Bluegrass band, but that was several years ago. I don't work in Radio, either.

Most of my tastes in music (and eventual CD/iTunes purchases) is influenced (more or less) by:

1. Word of mouth from co-workers, colleagues and friends.

Fair enough

2. Browsing record shops and asking staff there for suggestions or recommendations.

Wow it must be nice to live in the city where there is a record shop. Ours is Best Buy or Wally World

3. Yes, I do listen to Internet radio and that does A LOT to influence my purchases. XM Radio
shares some influence as well.

I'd be interested in what you listen to on the internet.

4. Television, Movie and Anime (Japanese Animation) OST recordings. Did I mention that I like Anime? ;D



I am sure that in the past OTA Radio has had some influence on what I bought in the past, but the influence it has now is pretty much nil for me these days. There are two OTA radio stations that listen to in the Indy area, one is locally owned (WTTS 92.3) and the other is a high school station (WBDG 90.9).

Wtts looks like an interesting station. A little non conventional based on their website, etc, but still big time enough to have a backup transmitter license

What do I listen to? Coldplay, Allison Krause/Union Station, Daft Punk, Beach Boys, Elvis Costello, Patsy Cline, Willie Nelson,Kraftwerk, Gorillaz, Al Green, Arlo Guthrie, Everclear, The Moody Blues, Modest Mouse, Sam Cooke, Beatles... On the Movie/Anime soundtrack side of the house: Fullmetal Alchemist, Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, BLEACH, FLCL as well as Chicago, Hairspray, Dreamgirls, An American Tail, The Lion King... Plus, I have pretty decent collection of classical music.

I think that pretty much covers it. Thanks for the welcome!

As I get closer to wandering out of that 25-54 demo, I find myself less and less interested in newer music. My God, I'm becoming my parents.

Clouseau