Are broadcast networks becoming obsolete 10-20 yrs from now?

[Mediafrog+]

I remember hearing that in cities like Los Angeles the viewership of the Telemundo and Univision would be higher in the ratings and in some cases beat the major networks like CBS at certain times.

Very frequent occurrence in Houston, and has been so for many years.

 

[michael hagerty]

I remember hearing that in cities like Los Angeles the viewership of the Telemundo and Univision would be higher in the ratings and in some cases beat the major networks like CBS at certain times.

I haven't seen L.A. TV news ratings printed in a long time. The Los Angeles Times used to do it every time a book came out.

If you go back ten years, yes---usually a Spanish-language newscast would be number one or number two in the market. David, do you have any sense as to whether greater English proficiency in L.A. (as compared to immediately following a large influx of immigrants) might have changed that?

 

[landtuna]

FOX is a toss-up. There might be a business supplying sports to broadcast affiliates. If they’re just entertainment, it’s streaming.

I see our Fox O&O playing primarily to the Black community - at least here in Phoenix. Most of their 'entertainment' offerings feature Black actors and/or hosts and daytime programming is on the cheap side with talk and game shows and on weekends with live sports of which the two major sports are predominately black as well (NBA and NFL).

Given the very small (proportionately) number of Blacks in this metro I see this as an anomaly. I would think if they are programming to a specific ethnicity they would target the Spanish speaking community as they are very much larger.

In any case and in my humble opinion the only two shows not targeted are their news (mostly 'bleed' stories) and their Morning Show.

 

[michael hagerty]

I see our Fox O&O playing primarily to the Black community - at least here in Phoenix. Most of their 'entertainment' offerings feature Black actors and/or hosts and daytime programming is on the cheap side with talk and game shows and on weekends with live sports of which the two major sports are predominately black as well (NBA and NFL).

Given the very small (proportionately) number of Blacks in this metro I see this as an anomaly. I would think if they are programming to a specific ethnicity they would target the Spanish speaking community as they are very much larger.

In any case and in my humble opinion the only two shows not targeted are their news (mostly 'bleed' stories) and their Morning Show.

Landtuna:

I've been gone nine years, so I had to look at their TV listings.

Wendy Williams (now in reruns and officially off the show to be replaced by a new host this fall) may be Black (so was Oprah), but her program historically was fighting for most popular daytime show with Ellen Degeneres (now also gone). Nick Cannon (cancelled after six months) is from the same syndication house as Williams, so that was probably a package deal.

The cast of "Dish Nation" is multi-racial and Meredith Viera, Judge Judy and Jay Leno are all White.

That's the daytime lineup between morning, noon and evening newscasts, so I'm not sure I see what you're seeing.

 

[Cool_guy81]

I don't see the CW going anywhere yet since they were just bought by Nexstar but if their programming don't work I can see it being a broadcast network for Newsnation like in the late 90s when Fox News Channel had shows for Fox like Fox Files.

 

[CTListener]

Landtuna:

I've been gone nine years, so I had to look at their TV listings.

Wendy Williams (now in reruns and officially off the show to be replaced by a new host this fall) may be Black (so was Oprah), but her program historically was fighting for most popular daytime show with Ellen Degeneres (now also gone). Nick Cannon (cancelled after six months) is from the same syndication house as Williams, so that was probably a package deal.

The cast of "Dish Nation" is multi-racial and Meredith Viera, Judge Judy and Jay Leno are all White.

That's the daytime lineup between morning, noon and evening newscasts, so I'm not sure I see what you're seeing.

And the fact that the majority of the NFL's players are black is irrelevant. Other than a few right-wingers still boycotting over Colin Kaepernick and BLM, white folks follow and watch NFL games in huge numbers.

 

[Y2kTheNewOldies]

I see our Fox O&O playing primarily to the Black community - at least here in Phoenix. Most of their 'entertainment' offerings feature Black actors and/or hosts and daytime programming is on the cheap side with talk and game shows and on weekends with live sports of which the two major sports are predominately black as well (NBA and NFL).

Given the very small (proportionately) number of Blacks in this metro I see this as an anomaly. I would think if they are programming to a specific ethnicity they would target the Spanish speaking community as they are very much larger.

In any case and in my humble opinion the only two shows not targeted are their news (mostly 'bleed' stories) and their Morning Show.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_Soul

FOX SOUL

foxsoul.tv

Do you mean the Fox Soul Network which appears as a streaming network on the Tubi app. I get it Fox Soul is in the same division as the Fox O&O's are and they target a different demo. Or are you talking about the secondary Fox stations like KICU San Jose, KCOP Los Angeles that the syndicated content while the main Fox O&O KTVU and KTTV respectively are airing newscasts.

 

[Y2kTheNewOldies]

Landtuna:

I've been gone nine years, so I had to look at their TV listings.

Wendy Williams (now in reruns and officially off the show to be replaced by a new host this fall) may be Black (so was Oprah), but her program historically was fighting for most popular daytime show with Ellen Degeneres (now also gone). Nick Cannon (cancelled after six months) is from the same syndication house as Williams, so that was probably a package deal.

The cast of "Dish Nation" is multi-racial and Meredith Viera, Judge Judy and Jay Leno are all White.

That's the daytime lineup between morning, noon and evening newscasts, so I'm not sure I see what you're seeing.

I think Landtuna is describing secondary Fox stations like KCOP and KICU which Air syndicated shows while the primary Fox stations KTVU and KTTV airs news.

I know the Fox affiliate in Sacramento KTXL Fox 40 is managed by Nexstar and is subject to air shows that Nexstar agrees to in their contract.

 

[michael hagerty]

I think Landtuna is describing secondary Fox stations like KCOP and KICU which Air syndicated shows while the primary Fox stations KTVU and KTTV airs news.

I have no idea how you got that from what Landtuna posted. He lives in the Phoenix area and the FOX station is an O&O.

 

[Y2kTheNewOldies]

I have no idea how you got that from what Landtuna posted. He lives in the Phoenix area and the FOX station is an O&O.

I happen to be in proximity to a dividing line between the San Francisco and Sacramento TV markets. I based some of this on which shows are on the market. I get KTVU and KICU via cable on my side of the border which is Solano-W. I was using KICU-TV the Fox managed station that does air syndicated programming while the main Fox Owned Station airs news as a reference. I figured it had something to do with where Landtuna is coming from.

I know what you mean I have eluded to Sacramento area references before because I commuted to school Sacramento proper, and I commuted to work in Eastern Solano. I am familiar in seeing News vans from both San Francisco and Sacramento going into my area whenever there is a wildfire emergency in the county.

I am familiar with both Bay Area via cable and Sacramento media in my case via streaming apps.

 

[davideduardo]

Given the very small (proportionately) number of Blacks in this metro I see this as an anomaly. I would think if they are programming to a specific ethnicity they would target the Spanish speaking community as they are very much larger.

But Spanish dominant Hispanics, about 52% of all Hispanics in Phoenix, don't use a lot of English language TV, particularly shows where colloquial or casual English is spoken. They don't watch "The View" or the bride / groom reality shows as the language is difficult and the cultural values are very different.

 

[michael hagerty]

Former ABC chief Bob Iger says broadcast TV will die, streaming will slim down and movie theaters will be a smaller business from now on compared to pre-pandemic:

Bob Iger Predicts A Reckoning For Streaming Services, Linear TV Death, “Smaller” & “Scarred” Movie Industry

Also a year after he left Disney, the ex-CEO & Chair offered a wide ranging take on the state of the industry, & he was blunt

deadline.com

 

[Cool_guy81]

Former ABC chief Bob Iger says broadcast TV will die, streaming will slim down and movie theaters will be a smaller business from now on compared to pre-pandemic:

https://deadline.com/2022/09/bob-ig...treaming-service-reckoning-disney-1235110628/

I can believe that, I don't know how movie theaters are making any money since a movie comes out in theaters it comes out the same day on streaming.

 

[michael hagerty]

I can believe that, I don't know how movie theaters are making any money since a movie comes out in theaters it comes out the same day on streaming.

Not all do, and some people want either the big screen (because not everyone has 80-inch flatscreens at home) or want the theater experience.

Still, it's a much smaller audience than before, and Iger doesn't expect it to fully rebound even when health concerns subside.

 

[TheBigA]

Former ABC chief Bob Iger says broadcast TV will die, streaming will slim down and movie theaters will be a smaller business from now on compared to pre-pandemic:

He didn't say "broadcast TV," but rather "linear TV." Those are not the same. Linear is real time TV. That applies to cable and other things. Appointment viewing is on death row. I agree with that. There are very few things I set my clock for. And even then, if I miss it, there are ways to make it up.

The networks deliver a mass audience. They do it using broadcast and cable. The companies that own them also own hundreds of broadcast TV stations. Those stations are licensed by the government. If big changes start to happen with broadcast, and voters are affected, you can expect Congress to weigh in on the subject. They could require existing networks to continue to provide certain services. There will be someone who will want to access that audience. It might be Sinclair, it might be Nextstar, but there will be someone.

Still, it's a much smaller audience than before, and Iger doesn't expect it to fully rebound even when health concerns subside.

I think he's overstating the situation. People want to get out of the house, especially after three years of covid. The theater owners need to find ways to economize their businesses, because the marketplace has changed. But if they give people a reason to go to theaters, they will go, especially in cities.

 

[michael hagerty]

He didn't say "broadcast TV," but rather "linear TV." Those are not the same. Linear is real time TV. That applies to cable and other things. Appointment viewing is on death row. I agree with that. There are very few things I set my clock for. And even then, if I miss it, there are ways to make it up.

The networks deliver a mass audience. They do it using broadcast and cable. The companies that own them also own hundreds of broadcast TV stations. Those stations are licensed by the government. If big changes start to happen with broadcast, and voters are affected, you can expect Congress to weigh in on the subject. They could require existing networks to continue to provide certain services. There will be someone who will want to access that audience. It might be Sinclair, it might be Nextstar, but there will be someone.




I think he's overstating the situation. People want to get out of the house, especially after three years of covid. The theater owners need to find ways to economize their businesses, because the marketplace has changed. But if they give people a reason to go to theaters, they will go, especially in cities.

ABC owns eight stations, CBS owns 29, FOX owns 29 and NBC owns 12. That's a total of 78.

If the big four "traditional" networks do move to a model where they're largely a news or sports service for affiliated broadcast stations, I expect they'll exit the owned stations business.

 

[gr8oldies]

Not all do, and some people want either the big screen (because not everyone has 80-inch flatscreens at home) or want the theater experience.

Still, it's a much smaller audience than before, and Iger doesn't expect it to fully rebound even when health concerns subside.

A couple of big movie chains just had "National Cinema Day" Saturday with $3.00 pricing for all showings, all movies, even IMAX and 4D.

 

[TheBigA]

If the big four "traditional" networks do move to a model where they're largely a news or sports service for affiliated broadcast stations, I expect they'll exit the owned stations business.

The only reason they still are is it's easier to get stations you own to carry programming than stations owned by someone else. As I said, the larger group owners are already into content creation business, so they may be competing against their affiliates for program clearances. The only reason that matters is people might still watch those stations, and they still make money.

 

[landtuna]

Landtuna:

I've been gone nine years, so I had to look at their TV listings.

Wendy Williams (now in reruns and officially off the show to be replaced by a new host this fall) may be Black (so was Oprah), but her program historically was fighting for most popular daytime show with Ellen Degeneres (now also gone). Nick Cannon (cancelled after six months) is from the same syndication house as Williams, so that was probably a package deal.

The cast of "Dish Nation" is multi-racial and Meredith Viera, Judge Judy and Jay Leno are all White.

That's the daytime lineup between morning, noon and evening newscasts, so I'm not sure I see what you're seeing.

Bear in mind I am talking only about KSAZ in Phoenix.

Wendy Williams (currently with guest hosts) - was Black host
Orlando Jones - Black host
Nick Cannon - Black host
Dish Nation - mixed bag but the one time I watched it it had a predominately Black cast
25 Words or Less - mixed bag
Judge Judy - yes, the hostess is White but the dominate defendants are Black
TMZ - Mixed cast but covering mostly non-white Hollywood types

So, 7 shows of their daily programming (mostly daytime) are either Black oriented or mixed. The remainder are either news, game shows or paid programming. I don't count those for obvious reasons.

And I want to point out that I have no quarrel with their programming because the only non-sports show I watch is their Morning Show. I was just trying to point out that their target demo is not the largest, or next largest one in Phoenix. The Phoenix demographic breakdown looks like this: 2020 census:

White 42%
Black 7%
Hispanic/Latino 43%
(all numbers rounded, not all ethnic groups illustrated)

It still seems like an anomaly. If I were running the ship I would think mixed White/Hispanic offerings would cover much more of the market.

 

[landtuna]

But Spanish dominant Hispanics, about 52% of all Hispanics in Phoenix, don't use a lot of English language TV, particularly shows where colloquial or casual English is spoken. They don't watch "The View" or the bride / groom reality shows as the language is difficult and the cultural values are very different.

Good point. I didn't split out the numbers of Hispanics by dominate language.