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Are HD Radio microchips feasible ?

What a lame topic. Who here REALLY believes that it isn't possible to make a pocket portable HD radio, or that Ibiquity would have even bothered if this were so? PLEASE!

OF COURSE POCKET RADIOS ARE COMING! So why not just move on to the next (predictable/lame) line..."nobody wants them". Well I WANT ONE! In fact, I'll buy two...just to make up for the one 700 didn't buy ;)
 
Mike Walker said:
What a lame topic. Who here REALLY believes that it isn't possible to make a pocket portable HD radio, or that Ibiquity would have even bothered if this were so? PLEASE!

OF COURSE POCKET RADIOS ARE COMING! So why not just move on to the next (predictable/lame) line..."nobody wants them". Well I WANT ONE! In fact, I'll buy two...just to make up for the one 700 didn't buy ;)
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Portable HD is still vapor-wear, and will not work as advertised, because of lousy reception - table-top HD has trouble with reception, even using loop and dipole antennas. The UK hand-held receivers are very expensive $100 - $200+ and with consumers not interested in HD radio, they will choose $15 Sony Walkman radios, instead.
 
First of all, if you think 100 dollars for a portable digital radio is "very expensive", you must not have amassed much of a nestegg, 700. Poor thing. The first portable cd player (Sony D5...I still have mine, and it still works!) cost 250 bucks, used an external battery "docking station" which held FOUR C-Cell Batteries, in order to power the unit for about an hour...if you're lucky. How times have changed! And will again with HD technology.

For someone with a computer background, you seem awfully content with the status quo of analog radio...noisy, interference-ridden modes, prone to distortion, and narrow audio bandwidth. Multipath, weather-induced interference, etc all GO AWAY with digital modes of operation. Plus they offer additional channels of programming...new revenue streams for the future, new programming services for unserved niche audiences NOW. The world is going digital. Analog modes of transmission WILL END by the middle of the 21st century. It's the way of the world. Ones and Zeroes are the future. Get used to it. We're never going back. If HD isn't the digital technology for terrestrial radio, then there will be another one. And another after that. All audio, video, text, and data will be sent and received digitally.

You're so fond of your 10 dollar pocket radio 700. Look for something comparable in stores. When I was a kid, pocket am/fm mono pocket radios were everywhere. Not so much now! The pocket radios are Walkman-type headphone-based units. Larger portables are boomboxes with stereo speakers. The category is dying because a)-newer types of radios offer better audio, and b)-for pocket use, most people use headphones.

There ARE pocket radios, of course...but they're usually not just AM/FM. Take the Grundig E100. GREAT little pocket radio...AM, FM, PLUS full shortwave coverage, and fm stereo to the headphone jack. A few bucks more, but a helluva lot more "bang for the buck".

If you think a pocket portable is equivalent to a communications receiver, then you're a (insert insult here). Radio reception is 95 percent the antenna, and 5 percent the receiver. But that 5 percent is what radio enthusiasts savor most...trans-continental reception of local am stations, extremely weak clandestine stations in troubled regions of the world, hams doing QRP testing (deliberately using ultra-low power modes for the thrill of long-distance reception of flea-powered broadcasts), etc. THIS IS WHAT THE RADIO HOBBY IS ABOUT...that 5 percent of reception that can only be had with a combination of a great antenna, AND a truly exceptional radio.
 
Mike Walker said:
First of all, if you think 100 dollars for a portable digital radio is "very expensive", you must not have amassed much of a nestegg, 700. Poor thing. The first portable cd player (Sony D5...I still have mine, and it still works!) cost 250 bucks, used an external battery "docking station" which held FOUR C-Cell Batteries, in order to power the unit for about an hour...if you're lucky. How times have changed! And will again with HD technology.

For someone with a computer background, you seem awfully content with the status quo of analog radio...noisy, interference-ridden modes, prone to distortion, and narrow audio bandwidth. Multipath, weather-induced interference, etc all GO AWAY with digital modes of operation. Plus they offer additional channels of programming...new revenue streams for the future, new programming services for unserved niche audiences NOW. The world is going digital. Analog modes of transmission WILL END by the middle of the 21st century. It's the way of the world. Ones and Zeroes are the future. Get used to it. We're never going back. If HD isn't the digital technology for terrestrial radio, then there will be another one. And another after that. All audio, video, text, and data will be sent and received digitally.

You're so fond of your 10 dollar pocket radio 700. Look for something comparable in stores. When I was a kid, pocket am/fm mono pocket radios were everywhere. Not so much now! The pocket radios are Walkman-type headphone-based units. Larger portables are boomboxes with stereo speakers. The category is dying because a)-newer types of radios offer better audio, and b)-for pocket use, most people use headphones.

There ARE pocket radios, of course...but they're usually not just AM/FM. Take the Grundig E100. GREAT little pocket radio...AM, FM, PLUS full shortwave coverage, and fm stereo to the headphone jack. A few bucks more, but a helluva lot more "bang for the buck".

If you think a pocket portable is equivalent to a communications receiver, then you're a (insert insult here). Radio reception is 95 percent the antenna, and 5 percent the receiver. But that 5 percent is what radio enthusiasts savor most...trans-continental reception of local am stations, extremely weak clandestine stations in troubled regions of the world, hams doing QRP testing (deliberately using ultra-low power modes for the thrill of long-distance reception of flea-powered broadcasts), etc. THIS IS WHAT THE RADIO HOBBY IS ABOUT...that 5 percent of reception that can only be had with a combination of a great antenna, AND a truly exceptional radio. Best Buy got rid of their table-top radios, the boom-boxes are in the back of the store, and now there are many Sony Walkman and hand-held radios up by the cell phones, where they will sell.
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Yes, $100 - $200+ for portable DAB/digital radios is too expensive to sell in-mass - if consumers were one bit interested in HD, then at that price some might sell, but consumers will just buy $15 Walkmans, instead. I have no problems with analog FM - I never get the hisses, pops, fading, multipath, and crackles that iNiquity claims (that is part of the HD farce). On AM, I enjoy the fading, and crackles that only usually come with thunderstorms (just like SWL of the old days) - nighttime AM-HD would not allow the pleasure of listening out-of-state. You have no proof, that all broadcast radio will eventually go digital - it failed in Canada and does not work as advertised in the UK and US. Who cares about more repetitive, boring HD channels, at the expense of adjacent-channel interference, 60% the coverage of analog, and digital dropouts/artifacts. RDS already does the same texting functions of HD/IBOC - HD/IBOC probably uses RDS anyway. Why, buy SW radios anymore - SWL is a dying hobby and only religious fanatics are on shortwave; many SW stations have turned to the Internet, instead, or just stopped transmitting - Wireless Internet is the wave of the future. I never stated, that I thought the $10 Sony was equivalent to the $700 ICOM - I just, posted tests results showing that the Sony received 94% of the AM stations of the ICOM.
 
The term is "en-masse" by the way.

And I'm getting weary of people saying terrestrial radio operators WITH TWO HUNDRED MILLION LISTENERS IN THE US ALONE should be quaking in their boots because of wi-max, wi-fi radios, cell phone services, ipods, etc...all of which cost WAY more than the 100 dollars you say is "too much". You're like the Bush Administration saying simultaneously that "more troops are leaving in Iraq", and that "It's a positive thing that the British are withdrawing troops". Kind of makes the head spin!

By the way...the microchip of which we speak will also receive DAB (in Europe) wi-fi, and wimax EVERYWHERE. A device that does all that and costs 200 dollars or less, will FLY off shelves (compared to other technology products, NOT compared to ten dollar radios or toasters!)
 
Mike Walker said:
The term is "en-masse" by the way.

And I'm getting weary of people saying terrestrial radio operators WITH TWO HUNDRED MILLION LISTENERS IN THE US ALONE should be quaking in their boots because of wi-max, wi-fi radios, cell phone services, ipods, etc...all of which cost WAY more than the 100 dollars you say is "too much". You're like the Bush Administration saying simultaneously that "more troops are leaving in Iraq", and that "It's a positive thing that the British are withdrawing troops". Kind of makes the head spin!

By the way...the microchip of which we speak will also receive DAB (in Europe) wi-fi, and wimax EVERYWHERE. A device that does all that and costs 200 dollars or less, will FLY off shelves (compared to other technology products, NOT compared to ten dollar radios or toasters!)
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"Are you waiting in line for your HD radio?"

"If you lower the price enough, folks will buy the radio. That's the belief about HD radio that is being stoked in our industry. And, of course, it's wrong."

http://www.hear2.com/2006/11/are_you_waiting.html
 
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