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Areas where a station puts a city-grade OTA signal but is not seen on cable

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ftballfan

Mentioning KBTX's lack of cable carriage in the Conroe area made me think of this thread.

I bet most of the northeast would qualify.

A glaring example is in southeast Michigan, where Buckeye Cable in Bedford, MI (unofficially part of the Toledo metro area [and borders Toledo] but in the Detroit DMA and metro area) doesn't carry WNWO and WUPW from just across the border. Charter in Monroe, MI (north of Bedford) carries WNWO but not WUPW. WTOL, WTVG, and WGTE from Toledo are carried on both systems.

PBS edition in western Michigan: WCMW from Manistee, MI is likely one of the strongest OTA signals in Hart, MI, yet it isn't seen on Charter's system there (a smaller independent system based in nearby Mears DOES carry WCMW for PBS). Ditto for WCMU and Charter Howard City, MI.
 
KTAJ (TBN) licensed to St Joseph (its own DMA) but with transmitter in Kansas City, isn't carried on Time Warner, Comcast Independence & Olathe, Mediacom Excelsior Springs or WOW Lawrence (which pick up TBN's national feed via satellite).
 
There are a lot of low-power stations in NYC that put out a city-grade signal within the city but don't have cable carriage. WDVB and WASA are 2 that come to mind right away.
 
Not all cable systems in the Chicago market have WWTO LaSalle, IL on their cable systems, & doesn't appear on satellite either. The only reason the FCC isn't requiring this station to be on their systems, is because the station has only been on the air continuously since 1987, doesn't have significantly viewed status, & only the far western suburbs of the market can receive the station. While they now have an 80kw VHF signal on RF 10, that covers more area than their original UHF signal on RF 35, not everyone can receive it in the near western suburbs of Chicago. Another reason this station isn't on most cable systems, nor on satellite, is because it's TBN, & has no local programming of any kind. While Comcast in NW Indiana carries Chicago stations & NW Indiana station WYIN (PBS), they refuse to carry WWTO, due to it being too far from NW Indiana.
 
dave73 said:
Not all cable systems in the Chicago market have WWTO LaSalle, IL on their cable systems, & doesn't appear on satellite either. The only reason the FCC isn't requiring this station to be on their systems, is because the station has only been on the air continuously since 1987, doesn't have significantly viewed status, & only the far western suburbs of the market can receive the station. While they now have an 80kw VHF signal on RF 10, that covers more area than their original UHF signal on RF 35, not everyone can receive it in the near western suburbs of Chicago. Another reason this station isn't on most cable systems, nor on satellite, is because it's TBN, & has no local programming of any kind. While Comcast in NW Indiana carries Chicago stations & NW Indiana station WYIN (PBS), they refuse to carry WWTO, due to it being too far from NW Indiana.
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WWTO puts out a city grade signal over much of Bureau County (Quad Cities DMA), Lee County (Rockford DMA) and Putnam County (Peoria DMA), but is not carried on cable in those counties (except in Ladd, Bureau County which is its own system and Spring Valley, Putnam County which is served by Comcast's Peru-La Salle system). Some systems in those counties get TBN off the satellite.
 
Comcast Woodbine GA (a cursed system, BTW) does not carry WPXC (ION) despite that station's transmitter being located just 10 miles to the south in Kingsland!
 
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The Vancouver stations put out a city grade signal over Bellingham WA, but on Comcast, only CBC and CTV are carried, while Wave Broadband has CBC and Global.
 
Washington DC and Baltimore are separated by 30-40 miles, but the Washington stations (except for Univision) have no cable carriage in Baltimore, and the Baltimore stations (except for MPT) have no cable carriage in DC. The adjacent market stations may have cable carriage in some suburban areas of the two cities.
 
mvcg66b3r said:
Washington DC and Baltimore are separated by 30-40 miles, but the Washington stations (except for Univision) have no cable carriage in Baltimore, and the Baltimore stations (except for MPT) have no cable carriage in DC. The adjacent market stations may have cable carriage in some suburban areas of the two cities.
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WHUT and WETA from Washington, both PBS members, are also carried on Comcast Baltimore City.
Comcast Laurel, in Prince Georges County (Washington DMA), carries all DC stations (except WMPT). Comcast Howard County and Annapolis (Anne Arundel County) receive the Big 4 from both markets (with the DC affiliates in the 190s). Comcast in Carroll County (NW of Baltimore, Baltimore DMA) carries ABC, CBS, and NBC from Washington in the 190s. Verizon FIOS carries the Big 4 from both DC and Baltimore in Howard and Anne Arundel counties (Baltimore DMA).
 
ftballfan said:
WHUT and WETA from Washington, both PBS members, are also carried on Comcast Baltimore City.
Comcast Laurel, in Prince Georges County (Washington DMA), carries all DC stations plus WMPT from Baltimore. Comcast Howard County and Annapolis (Anne Arundel County) receive the Big 4 from both markets (with the DC affiliates in the 190s). Comcast in Carroll County (NW of Baltimore, Baltimore DMA) carries ABC, CBS, and NBC from Washington in the 190s. Verizon FIOS carries the Big 4 from both DC and Baltimore in Howard and Anne Arundel counties (Baltimore DMA).
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Fixed.
 
From a thread on RadioInsight on the return of WNWO to Buckeye Cable:

Note: WNWO was not re-added to Buckeye’s systems in Sandusky, OH and Bedford, MI. In Bedford, this results in two of the Big Four networks being located on cable channels in the 50s only.
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And from the "Shared Cable Channels" thread on this forum:

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Several Detroit stations I think are still carried to this day in Toledo (WKBD, WXYZ, and WDIV partially and CBET fully). Buckeye Toledo also serves Bedford, which is in the Detroit market. Bedford is an interesting case as a few Detroit stations are not seen at all (WMYD, WADL, WTVS, WWJ). Also, WUPW is not seen in Bedford.
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If you live in the eastern part of San Francisco Bay area. Pittsburg, Antioch, Brentwood, Fairfield, Concord, you will received Sacramento stations as a city grade signal and wont able to pick up San Francisco TV stations. However, comcast cable only picks up SF Bay area tv and the only Sacramento tv that on cable in these area is KCRA NBC 3.
 
WADL is not currently available on Cogeco Cable in Windsor, Ontario, though the cable provider has expressed interest in adding the station to its digital tier, pending approval by the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission. WADL and its The Word Network digital subchannel are carried on GosfieldTel in Essex County, Ontario, as well as Cogeco Cable systems in some rural areas of Southwestern Ontario, primarily in areas formerly served by other cable providers that were purchased by Cogeco around 2000.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WADL_(TV)#Out-of-market_cable_coverage

Radio-Canada had a transmitter in Windsor until it was shut down in 2012. It was never carried on cable in Michigan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CBEFT#Demise
 
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When Panama City, Fla. got its own CBS affiliate two years ago (WECP/channel 18), cable systems and satellite providers dropped Dothan, Ala.'s WTVY/channel 4, which was Panama City's default CBS affiliate since 1960. WTVY's transmitter is in Bethlehem, Fla., and their signal reaches Panama City easily. People with good outdoor aerials can receive it.

Similarly in Dothan, WSFA/ch. 12 in Montgomery had been their default NBC station. That changed last year when WRGX/channel 23 signed on as Dothan's own NBC affiliate, although WSFA still comes in to Dothan.
 
Isn't that Dothan NBC affiliate a low-power digital station though?

I don't see WWLP-TV (NBC) channel 22 of Springfield, MA carried by the Cox franchise to their south in Enfield, CT. I'm certain that the WWLP-TV signal from Provin Mountain of Agawam, MA would reach Enfield easily. Cox does carry WGGB-TV (ABC) channel 40 and WGBY-TV (PBS) channel 57 of Springfield, however. (Enfield is the northern fringe of the Hartford/New Haven DMA.)
 
I could get KCET and KVCR (former and current PBS stations) over-the-air, but my provider (Charter) doesn't carry them.
 
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