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Arecely is out !!!!

Maybe Mr Ferro can figure out why Spanish listeners are drifting to American Country Music stations. And why El Zol isn't on a signal which doesn't reach DC's largest Spanish population in southwestern DC/NOVA.Seriously.
 
Sorry, but it was a long time coming that she moves outta the way of CBS growing it's spanish formats. I just listen to El Zol and it make me want to run out and buy a digital internet radio !!!!

No Wonder CBS billing is in the DUMPS!!!
 
cbsrocks said:
Sorry, but it was a long time coming that she moves outta the way of CBS growing it's spanish formats. I just listen to El Zol and it make me want to run out and buy a digital internet radio !!!!

Pio is national PD, not local. Aracely is the local PD. In fact, a few years ago, Pio actually set up Zol and established the format based on the composition of the market.
 
evolve991 said:
Maybe Mr Ferro can figure out why Spanish listeners are drifting to American Country Music stations.

Except for multigenerational markets like San Antonio, this is not happening and there is no evidence of it happening.

And why El Zol isn't on a signal which doesn't reach DC's largest Spanish population in southwestern DC/NOVA.Seriously.

It's the only signal they had available.
 
The evidence of it happening is on the jobs I work at where Antonio,Eduardo and Renolfo's crews all listen to WPOC or WXCY. Much the same with the other Hispanics outside doing other trades. Its evident in the dropping numbers of El Zol's PPM ratings.PPMs don't allow someone to lie in the books,it picks up whats being played.

With CBS swapping and flipping stations in the Balt/DC area I would say 106.7,with its longtime low ratings, is VERY available. CBS does not consider its listeners in EITHER heritage. This is not a race issue it is a lousy service issue. Marketing should take population into account. Would you build daycare centers in the sticks far away from businesses where workers can get to them? Would you put a chemical plant next to a school? These so called professionals make far too much money for halfassed decisions. Don't sit in an office and claim to know what people are doing,buying,listening to....go out and mingle among your 'target' demographic...maybe Johnny Whitebread is listening to Salsa,maybe Homey G is listening to Jazz and Antonio is listening to George Jones. Research means Research it doesn't mean Assumption.
 
evolve991 said:
The evidence of it happening is on the jobs I work at where Antonio,Eduardo and Renolfo's crews all listen to WPOC or WXCY. Research means Research it doesn't mean Assumption.

So you base a totally unfounded opinion on a couple of people at jobs you work at.

n = 3

Research is not conducted by wandering around on the street, but, rather, by taking a small sample that mirrors the universe of the group you wish to study.
 
Oh please spare me the B.S!! The reason the listeners or leaving Spanish radio is because you are alienating your core audience. I know you don’t comprehend what CORE is all about and that’s exactly why the audience is bailing by the thousand. Let’s start with the fact that you have no logical reason for playing pitbull. I know you are going to say “ Wait it test through the roof” of course it does the same way in the air tonight will test at the top of many different formats music test. When you play an artist like pitbull with urban roots you do nothing but train your young audience to move to their new home the urban station and the aging and older listener can’t stand pitbull so they move the country and mainly easy listening stations.

That’s just one reason and could be here all day, if Gregg or Scott Herman want the station fixed they need to get rid of the staff that’s been snow balling him for years. If Gregg or Scott could ever understand the language they would have fired that programming staff years ago, but they don’t and lucky for you. The station is just terrible; why else do you think you audience is leaving. Oh wait it’s the signal that sucks “wait let’s tell the clients that too”. So sad!!

Gregg and Scott you are bright guys but I think the lack of the understanding the language has allowed folks to pull the wool over your eyes. The ppm does not lie.
 
cbsrocks said:
Oh please spare me the B.S!! The reason the listeners or leaving Spanish radio is because you are alienating your core audience.

I suppose you have documentation on that... beyond your anecdote about three guys with "Hispanic" names.

I know you don’t comprehend what CORE is all about

In the PPM world, we no longer have Preferenced Level 1 (P1) listeners giving 12 to 15 hours a week to a station; the average listener, in fact, only uses about 10 hours of radio in total, and that same "Mr. or Ms. Average" uses 5 to 7 stations over a 10 to 14 day period.

PPM really shows that about half of the total listeners to a station produce about 90% or more of the total listening to it. So the core is not what we believed it to be over Arbitron's first four and a half decades of radio measurement. The core is made up of people who reguarly use a station, whether the station is the first, second or even the third choice; the important point is that the person keeps coming back. And since in PPM, P1 status is not permanent, and changes regularly, those first three or so stations may, indeed, alternate in preference rank.

And that is what the core is all about today.

and that’s exactly why the audience is bailing by the thousand.

Never mind that there is no proof of that.

However, there is a demographic force at work here. For example, the 18-24 demo nationally was mostly made up of inbound migrants who came to the US with little knowledge of English and strong ties to Spanish language radio. But now the children of the immmigrants from the boom years between 1985 and 1995 are entering the 18-34 demo, and they are significantly assimilated, preferring CHR, urban and similar formats. Yeah, they listen to Spanish on occasion, but not to the degree of the immigrant. So we have a change brought on by the slowing of immigration going back nearly 3 years, plus large numbers of born-here Hispanics flooding into 18-34. That changes things.

Let’s start with the fact that you have no logical reason for playing pitbull. I know you are going to say “ Wait it test through the roof” of course it does the same way in the air tonight will test at the top of many different formats music test. When you play an artist like pitbull with urban roots you do nothing but train your young audience to move to their new home the urban station and the aging and older listener can’t stand pitbull so they move the country and mainly easy listening stations.

Pitbull is Hispanic, his flavor is rhythmic, and his songs are liked even by the 30 to 40 year olds. Just as some of the big radio stations in Latin America mix Spanish and English hits (#1 in Puerto Rico is KQ-105, which does just that...) there is a significant demand for stations to mix all the music that Hispanics in the prime demos like, and that often mens playing songs in English.

Also remember that the bulk of the Hispanic adult population is in the 18-39 and 18-49 age range. Most of that group wants something entirely different than what the 45 and over crowd wants. Look at New York, where a station playing rhythmic hits with lots of crossovers, X 96.3, has rocketed to the top of the Spanish language rankings, and is even in the top 4 or 5 total market stations in 18-34 and 18-49! There is a demand for something other than the same old Héctor Lavoe or Wilfrido Vargas songs from 30 years ago... and that is what people like aracely are trying to change! Good for them!

That’s just one reason and could be here all day, if Gregg or Scott Herman want the station fixed they need to get rid of the staff that’s been snow balling him for years. If Gregg or Scott could ever understand the language they would have fired that programming staff years ago, but they don’t and lucky for you. The station is just terrible; why else do you think you audience is leaving.

Gee, the station is cuming very close to 100% of the Spanish dominants in the 18-49 demo. And the station has increased cume in every one of the last 3 books.... it's now 321,000 out of around 475,000 Hispanics in the market, meaning that a lot of bilinguals (not counted among Spanish Dominant by Nielsen) are also listening. I'd say they are doing a terrific job by any standard.

Gregg and Scott you are bright guys but I think the lack of the understanding the language has allowed folks to pull the wool over your eyes. The ppm does not lie.

No, the facts are quite clear... the station is doing a very good job in reaching and satisfying the Hispanic listener and community in the DC market.

Why don't you tell us what you would do if you were PD. Please, don't say who you would fire. Tell us what a typical music sweep might be, what sort of imaging and promotion you would have, and what kind of DJ approach you would seek. Be specific, or, to the contrary, you will be seen as someone who has sour grapes (fired, maybe, or perhaps not picked to be hired) but not a clue about programming except the ability to post "rock throwing" messages.

Your turn.
 
Pitbull is Hispanic, his flavor is rhythmic, and his songs are liked even by the 30 to 40 year olds. Just as some of the big radio stations in Latin America mix Spanish and English hits (#1 in Puerto Rico is KQ-105, which does just that...) there is a significant demand for stations to mix all the music that Hispanics in the prime demos like, and that often mens playing songs in English.
Ok David !!! First It think you should worry about programming music to save your job instead of spending so much time on this board... but whatever!!!

David, I don't want to scare you into reality but David you are not in Puerto Rico nor is your audience Puetorican based.

Second, if you continue to chase the 18- 34 that as you said are leaving to other english stations" Because they are learning english!!!" you will continue to lose share. Keep playing bilingual music and help them learn english even faster. David, Pitbull has plenty of songs that are bilingual but wait you are already playing them! Sorry that was too easy.


However, there is a demographic force at work here. For example, the 18-24 demo nationally was mostly made up of inbound migrants who came to the US with little knowledge of English and strong ties to Spanish language radio. But now the children of the immmigrants from the boom years between 1985 and 1995 are entering the 18-34 demo, and they are significantly assimilated, preferring CHR, urban and similar formats. Yeah, they listen to Spanish on occasion, but not to the degree of the immigrant. So we have a change brought on by the slowing of immigration going back nearly 3 years, plus large numbers of born-here Hispanics flooding into 18-34. That changes things.

David check your ppm and your old diary cume. The audience erosion is clearly evident.

Why don't you tell us what you would do if you were PD. Please, don't say who you would fire. Tell us what a typical music sweep might be, what sort of imaging and promotion you would have, and what kind of DJ approach you would seek. Be specific, or, to the contrary, you will be seen as someone who has sour grapes (fired, maybe, or perhaps not picked to be hired) but not a clue about programming except the ability to post "rock throwing" messages.

David, you are the one being paid to grow your audience. Yes I have many great ideas that will fix your station but I don’t work for you or your station. David from the research I’ve seen lately I believe you are reading the research incorrectly. David if you are true Hispanic it should be easy to figure out what’s happening. I believe you will always be the p2 and p3 to young Hispanics since they learning English.
Ok children “not David” from all the clues I given David what do you think the station should do to regain is eroding audience ?

David I will close by saying a few things, you are not a stupid person and I think you should listen to what you’re thinking and what you have written. David please consider this a Christmas gift from me to you. Make a cluster music played on your station, Make a cluster of music played on the top Urban Station, make a cluster of music played on the highest ranking CHR. Then have the same panel you use to test your weekly call out pick what station they would pick as there fav. I know you will fall off your set when you see who the young listeners picks as there fav. Then do the same with the older listener.
I know who is faithful and so do you! They want to be faithful but you keep killing them with all the Reggaeton and pitbull.
Research and command sense WOW what concept.
 
cbsrocks said:
David, I don't want to scare you into reality but David you are not in Puerto Rico nor is your audience Puetorican based.

What does Puerto Rico have to do with this? I am speaking specifically to the common characteristics of the audience on the U.S. East Coast, where the bulk of residents are from the Caribbean Basin and countries like El Salvador, Nicaragua and Ecuador.

Second, if you continue to chase the 18- 34 that as you said are leaving to other english stations"

Re-read, please. I said that 18-24 is the cell where increasingly we have more assimilated Hispanics. 25-34 and 35-44 are the true core for Spanish in the entire US. It's where the population is and it is where advertisers want to be. Playing crossover artists and songs means that both the Spanish dominant and the bilingual potential audience will find a blend that is not delivered by English stations and that reflects the listeners' cultural heritage without being the old fasioned "my grandfather's radio station" approach of playing "de todo un poco" which pleases nobody.

David check your ppm and your old diary cume. The audience erosion is clearly evident.

PPM average is about 50,000 cume persons above the diary average. But... even Arbitron warns against comparing two totally different methodolgies, one a random probability sample and the other a structured panel.

Why don't you tell us what you would do if you were PD.

David, you are the one being paid to grow your audience. Yes I have many great ideas that will fix your station but I don’t work for you or your station. David from the research I’ve seen lately I believe you are reading the research incorrectly. David if you are true Hispanic it should be easy to figure out what’s happening. I believe you will always be the p2 and p3 to young Hispanics since they learning English.
Ok children “not David” from all the clues I given David what do you think the station should do to regain is eroding audience ?

I am not even on CBS' payroll, let alone being paid to grow that station's audience. But I have admiration for both Pio Ferro and Aracely, both fine professionals.

And, hundreds if not thousands of books and dissertations have been written about the acquisition of musical taste. The early years of adolescence are the time when music taste is formed, and the rest of a person's life is a derivitive of that. One thing is learning English, but that does not mean that a person who likes salsa an merengue suddenly starts liking Whitesnake or Green Day. A person exposed to Latin music in the home and English music with their peers at school will like both... and the rest of their lives they will be on a progression through the basic early taste into adulthood and maturity.

Then have the same panel you use to test your weekly call out pick what station they would pick as there fav.

Nobody in Hispanic radio does weekly call out. And very few general market stations do that any more...

"Favorite" is a diary term, anyway. It's irrelevant in the PPM world.

Then do the same with the older listener.

Look at population distribution. There are not enough Hispanics over 45 in the US markets to support a station, and over 49 is outside agency Hispanic buy limits.

I know who is faithful and so do you!

It is not about faithful in PPM. It is about a combination of cume and TSL. You can't get Spanish speaking cume in sufficient numbers outside 25-44 to make a station work... so the music and the talent will reflect the taste of that group.

You really need to do a bit of catch-up on PPM, the function of "hearing" vs. listening, and the contributions of P1, P2 and P3 and the fact that there is often very little difference in time spent listening by each in the PPM, where among major stations, TSL is all compressed within a +/- 45 minute range in most markets... vs. 4 or 5 hours of range in the diary.
 
David I have been and continue to review arbitron ratings methodology. David David David lets not be a
know it all. Fact, your station in sucking in the PPM ratings and they sucked too in the diary methodology . It's a fact David, I sense a bit of denial here and you can't fix the station until you realize it's BROKEN!!!!

Good Luck
 
cbsrocks said:
David I have been and continue to review arbitron ratings methodology.

You don't even know that it is rather improper to compare diary and PPM ratings...

David David David lets not be a know it all.

I know that the PPM cume is in excess of the diary cume. I also know you can't cume, with a Spanish language station, more people than the sum of the Spanish dominant and bilingual population of the market. And I know that WLZL approaches cuming all of those two groups.

And I know that is pretty good.

Fact, your station in sucking in the PPM ratings and they sucked too in the diary methodology

I have nothing to do with that station of CBS. I've never worked for CBS or consulted them; they are and have been for closing in on 20 years my competitors.

. It's a fact David, I sense a bit of denial here and you can't fix the station until you realize it's BROKEN!!!!

No, as stated above, it is not broken. In fact, it is one of the better performing Spanish stations in the country. It's a good job, and although owned by a company I compete with, I give them a lot of credit for doing this quite well.
 
cbsrocks said:
Doing well ? Top in the country, hahahahaha
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Yes, very possibly one of, if not the, best performing Spanish language station in the country. This is the only large market Spanish language station that cumes so close to 100% of the Spanish dominant and bilingual Hispanic audience in its market.

You have made my day!!! I love ya man you are so funny !!!

For some reason you have an irrational hatred towards this very successful station.

Here are some more facts....KLZL is the only station in the CBS DC cluster that is actually flat compared to 4 or 5 years ago. The other FMs are off by between 25% and 33% over the same period.
 
cbsrocks said:
David when people find themself losing an argument they always go for the personal attack just like you did.

There is no personal attack here. Simply stated, unless you have some kind of grudge againsgt WLZL, there is no other explanation for your attitude when confronted with the facts.

1. No other major market Spanish language station cumes such a high (nearly total) percentage of that market's Spanish dominants and bilinguals.
2. In the CBS cluster, all the other FMs are down in billing between 25% and 33% (2008 numbers compared with the average of 2002/3) while WLZL is essentially flat.
3. They have done this with what has always been a challenged signal, located between Baltimore and DC.
4. WLZL is one of the very few significant Spanish language stations which has not lost share in the transition to PPM.
5. They have done this with a listener base that is made up of significant groups of a number of national origins, each with different heritage tastes.

So, when asked what you would change in the programming, you did not answer... you just said not to play Pitbull. When asked what you found wrong with WLZL, you similarly did not answer. And finally, now you accuse me of engaging in personal attack for simply stating the obvious! I guess, since for a half-dozen posts you thought I worked for CBS when the link at the bottom of this post clearly shows the opposite, you just miss some of the details.
 
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