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I'm curious, David. Misogynistic means strongly prejudiced or hating of women. What part of his post did you find offensive - that Betty was "shapely", or that she's probably a great grandmother? I suspect that she would find both of those references to be a compliment...
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Be careful Rosario, some people around here are not to be questioned or commented on!
If you do not get it, it is going to be hard to explain.
Seeing women as sex objects is part of the problem. In the case of the particular poster, this is one of a series of insensitive posts and one that is simply not the way we need to, should and have to see women going forward.
You can accuse me of being the "Woke Police" here, but talking about a woman's body is so narrow and discounts all the other qualities and abilities a person can have as well as being demeaning to women who may not meet that observer's "standards".
Actually, David, if YOU do not get this, it is going to be hard to explain. Let me try, but not before noting that your cluelessness on this issue is exceeded only by your hypocrisy.
Saying a woman has a "nice shapely body" doesn't come anywhere close to the actual definition of "misogynistic" as Rosario (who I am assuming is female herself) deftly pointed out. Your defense is so laughably weak that you had to invoke TeaPartyDude's previous posts as justification for your stance on his current post. That is called being prejudicial on YOUR part. In addition, his post DID note some other element to being a woman besides her body - he said she is probably a great grandma - a compliment having nothing to do with her body or sex appeal.
As to all this nonsense about referring about a woman's body to the exclusion of all other elements of what goes into being a woman or person, you just posted yesterday quite approvingly of the twerking in Cardi B.'s video. What other elements about her should we be taking away from her disgusting video?
You would be better off moderating radio discussions and let others who are more competent be the "woke police".
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My reference to the Cardi B video apparently has to be explained. The discussion evolved from a comment about people, specifically young people, hearing (and accepting) profanity and vulgarity from many sources today. The implication was that licensed broadcast media was behind the curve and that standards had changed.
I cited the Cardi B as an example of where the line can be drawn between what one generation may find offensive and what another could find "cute" and "humorous" and even a spoof of contemporary standards.
And I still think that, in today's world, referring to a person's body in the way done in that post is now inappropriate. Just imagine the HR department's reaction if you said to a co-worker, "Hey, Lupe, you have a great body".
Since the standards have changed, why don't you and the guys play the Cardi B. video in the breakroom at work? Since one generation is enlightened enough to know that it is just "cute" and "humorous", I am sure that HR department you mentioned will have no problem with it.
I'm not one of "the guys" here. I am making a comment about the differences in perspective that can be seen in many aspects of society.
I used the Cardi B video as an example of something different groups might find to be "fun" or "disgusting" or "vulgar" or simply "bad".
This all harks back to the FCC use of criteria based on "community standards" for the evaluation of content... a practice with decades and decades of history behind it and yet no clear "do" and "do not" rules. The lack of any ability to give guidelines on community standards by the FCC while that entity attempted to enforce the same shows how fuzzy those standards can be.
This is the same quandary that cause a Justice to say about defining pornography, "I know it when I see it".
One of the real issues the FCC has faced all along has been that not only do standards change by geography and age, they also are tempered by socioeconomic, ethnic and cultural influences. That's why difficult cases brought to the commission in this area had to go to hearing or before the full Commission due to the lack of standards, measures and precise regulations.
And standards don't "change" overnight. They evolve. Sometimes it takes a social movement to change them, and other times it takes a particularly egregious offense to heighten awareness. It's broadcast media's job to understand and, as appropriate, reflect those changes.
My point in this case being that the new community standard is to avoid statements or actions that objectify women. It's why swimsuit competitions have been removed from beauty pageants and it's why victims of abuse of many kinds are now coming forward after eons of silence.
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David, all that I can say is that your post saddens me. If we have come to the point in our culture where a man can no longer, without fear of being attacked, compliment a women on her physical appearance, I'm afraid that it does not bode well for what used to be an exciting male/female 'dance.'
Courtship/dating in the near future will likely be not a "dance", but a very legalistic process with legal consent forms.
By traditional standards, that is very, very true.
However, greater awareness by women of their equal role in society makes such "compliments" less than positive to many and offensive to some.
I have four daughters, all born in the 60's and 70's, and all in professional positions and none of them, when I asked, would like "the good old days" to return. I asked about "compliments" and they said, each in different words, "if it were only that..."
The main point here is that it affects the electronic media. Women's roles in TV shows are no longer the subservient housewife in the Ozzie & Harriet or Happy Days fashion. Can you imaging Dragnet where instead of Frank we had Fran?
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David Eduardo has a personal beef with me and uses any excuse to attack my post. Have you notice he chose to attack me for offering a positive comment on a woman's appearanc yet he hasn't said a thing about the guy posted the link to an advertisement of a Burlesque Club where the woman in question is depicted in a semi-nude manner? One would think he was sooo offended by the demeaning depiction of women he would have attacked the original poster, right?
I wonder how long this post will exist before it is taken down by the Moderator/Co-Administrator. Who polices the police?
I wonder how long this post will exist before it is taken down by the Moderator/Co-Administrator. Who polices the police?
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There is nothing personal in commenting that a particular post was or could be offensive to some. Personally, I found it offensive as it objectified women and was inappropriate in today's era of heightened awareness.
The job of the moderators is not only to look out for posts that violate the rules, but also to remove spam and other intrusions. But we can't read every post. Like the FCC, we depend on users to report anything they find inappropriate by clicking on the little triangle icon.
You could have reported the post with a link to content you don't find appropriate. Generally, the moderation of links is intended more to avoid misuse of copyright material. A reference to "burlesque" raises no warning sign... after all, a burlesque house was the subject of the very highly thought of movie "Cabaret".
The fact that your post is not simply deleted is an example of how posts that abide by the rules are not eliminated. Think of the other case just like you think of getting off with a warning from a traffic policeman...
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Art Laboe gets a lifetime achievement award.
Art Laboe gets a lifetime achievement award.
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Michael, I believe Art Laboe was on XERB with a pre-recorded show nightly from midnight to 3 as early as 1967 but not steadily throughout the years. XEROK Juarez/El Paso even ran Laboe's taped shows for a while around 1973.
Regarding KTYM, I don't recall Art Laboe promoting his albums there, although he may have bought spots on Godfrey Kerr's show, as he did with many radio stations over the years (KAFY and KFRC's FM in 1971 come to mind.)
KTYM did occasionally have a jock who was later known for his record packages--Rick Ward, who filled in at times for Godfrey and was on XEPRS for a decade beginning around 1972.
Michael, I believe Art Laboe was on XERB with a pre-recorded show nightly from midnight to 3 as early as 1967 but not steadily throughout the years. XEROK Juarez/El Paso even ran Laboe's taped shows for a while around 1973.
Regarding KTYM, I don't recall Art Laboe promoting his albums there, although he may have bought spots on Godfrey Kerr's show, as he did with many radio stations over the years (KAFY and KFRC's FM in 1971 come to mind.)
KTYM did occasionally have a jock who was later known for his record packages--Rick Ward, who filled in at times for Godfrey and was on XEPRS for a decade beginning around 1972.
What shift was Rick on at XEPRS?
The daytime programming went all Spanish either in 1972 or 1973, and the night English programming ended approximately in early 1977 (my best friend worked there 1975-1985 before going to KTNQ).
Hi David,
XEPRS briefly had an oldies format which began in late '72 or early '73, and Rick Ward did 6-midnight. I believe that no oldies programming existed for a time around 1974 when they ran an automated country format most of the time (some paid programming on Sundays, I think.)
As I recall, they went daytime Spanish in 1975 till 7 PM, then it was Rick Ward for a few hours followed by one of many DJ's till 3 AM (Rick Diego is one I can think of.)
We differ on when English-language nighttime programming ended; I'd estimate it to be around 1984, and I have a specific memory attached to this.
My tenure at a country station ended in early May 1983, and I briefly worked with a gentleman named Daryl Evans (not sure of the spelling of the first name.)
Somewhere near a year later Evans followed Rick Ward for a time on XEPRS, and it had to be then because I'm sure of the time I worked with him, which was shortly before my job ended in May 1983.
I was quite surprised to hear my former colleague on XEPRS, although I knew he was from southern California. I didn't know of him before 1983.
XEPRS briefly had an oldies format which began in late '72 or early '73, and Rick Ward did 6-midnight. I believe that no oldies programming existed for a time around 1974 when they ran an automated country format most of the time (some paid programming on Sundays, I think.)
As I recall, they went daytime Spanish in 1975 till 7 PM, then it was Rick Ward for a few hours followed by one of many DJ's till 3 AM (Rick Diego is one I can think of.)
We differ on when English-language nighttime programming ended; I'd estimate it to be around 1984, and I have a specific memory attached to this.
My tenure at a country station ended in early May 1983, and I briefly worked with a gentleman named Daryl Evans (not sure of the spelling of the first name.)
Somewhere near a year later Evans followed Rick Ward for a time on XEPRS, and it had to be then because I'm sure of the time I worked with him, which was shortly before my job ended in May 1983.
I was quite surprised to hear my former colleague on XEPRS, although I knew he was from southern California. I didn't know of him before 1983.
More memories.
Dick Hugg (Huggy Boy" also periodically filled in for Godfrey on KTYM.
And he was also on XEPRS for a while in the early '80s.
I think my prior statement about an oldies format on XEPRS was wrong about the date, which I now think was late in '73. It only lasted for maybe three months or so, when the country format took its place. Not sure who the syndicator was, but "Bob London" was the evening "jock."
I'm sure this could be verified in the trades.
Dick Hugg (Huggy Boy" also periodically filled in for Godfrey on KTYM.
And he was also on XEPRS for a while in the early '80s.
I think my prior statement about an oldies format on XEPRS was wrong about the date, which I now think was late in '73. It only lasted for maybe three months or so, when the country format took its place. Not sure who the syndicator was, but "Bob London" was the evening "jock."
I'm sure this could be verified in the trades.
My friend, later middays at KTNQ and then PD and then PD of CD and KRCV, began her career at XEPRS in late 1975 and she recalls listening to Wolfman Jack on the way home and she's a fan to this day. She was there when the programming was recorded the day before and driven to Mexico for broadcast.
Her recollection is that the Spanish language programming went full-time around 2 years after she got there, and as well as being on the air, she did traffic on those old plastic erasable sheets... and going full-time doubled her work. She went to KTNQ in '85 and says that nights had been in Spanish for most of her 9 years of tenure at XEPRS with Teddy Fregoso, the operator of the LMA.
Hi David,
Obviously, she and I have different memories, and I can't quarrel with hers because she was there. That doesn't change how sure I am about what I've said.
Still, what you say is interesting. If time machines existed, I'd invite her back to the early '80s, although she might not want to do traffic again.
I'll conclude my part of this discussion, because people either believe me or they don't. I think what I said can be verified, but it would seem silly to doggedly defend my recollections versus someone who was there at the time.
That doesn't mean I think I'm wrong (and I have no problem admitting that when convinced.)
Maybe she and I live in alternate universes. If she were in mine, she'd have had a lighter workload.
Obviously, she and I have different memories, and I can't quarrel with hers because she was there. That doesn't change how sure I am about what I've said.
Still, what you say is interesting. If time machines existed, I'd invite her back to the early '80s, although she might not want to do traffic again.
I'll conclude my part of this discussion, because people either believe me or they don't. I think what I said can be verified, but it would seem silly to doggedly defend my recollections versus someone who was there at the time.
That doesn't mean I think I'm wrong (and I have no problem admitting that when convinced.)
Maybe she and I live in alternate universes. If she were in mine, she'd have had a lighter workload.
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