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Article: Stern's Last Day
- Thread starter schoolshrink
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> http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/tv/252397_stern17.html
>
Here is a commentary by Richard Roeper on the subject. Thought it was well done.
http://www.suntimes.com/output/roeper/cst-nws-roep15.html
>
Here is a commentary by Richard Roeper on the subject. Thought it was well done.
http://www.suntimes.com/output/roeper/cst-nws-roep15.html
Re: Who cares?
> > http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/tv/252397_stern17.html
> >
> Here is a commentary by Richard Roeper on the subject.
> Thought it was well done.
>
> http://www.suntimes.com/output/roeper/cst-nws-roep15.html
>
Ok...now I'm really making trouble. Thank g_d that toliet-trash Howard Stern is leaving the airwaves. Sirus has a long way to go with Sat Radio. Sirus is going to go bankrupt in the meantime as they consolidate with XM in about 5 years. It's best to follow the balance sheet with these things, though my hedge-fund guru Jim Cramer (Mad Money, CNBC) thinks otherwise, so we'll see.
> > http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/tv/252397_stern17.html
> >
> Here is a commentary by Richard Roeper on the subject.
> Thought it was well done.
>
> http://www.suntimes.com/output/roeper/cst-nws-roep15.html
>
Ok...now I'm really making trouble. Thank g_d that toliet-trash Howard Stern is leaving the airwaves. Sirus has a long way to go with Sat Radio. Sirus is going to go bankrupt in the meantime as they consolidate with XM in about 5 years. It's best to follow the balance sheet with these things, though my hedge-fund guru Jim Cramer (Mad Money, CNBC) thinks otherwise, so we'll see.
Re: Who cares?
> > > http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/tv/252397_stern17.html
> > >
> > Here is a commentary by Richard Roeper on the subject.
> > Thought it was well done.
> >
> > http://www.suntimes.com/output/roeper/cst-nws-roep15.html
> >
> Ok...now I'm really making trouble. Thank g_d that
> toliet-trash Howard Stern is leaving the airwaves. Sirus has
> a long way to go with Sat Radio. Sirus is going to go
> bankrupt in the meantime as they consolidate with XM in
> about 5 years. It's best to follow the balance sheet with
> these things, though my hedge-fund guru Jim Cramer (Mad
> Money, CNBC) thinks otherwise, so we'll see.
>
Make trouble all you want, your opinion won't make a bit of difference. Howard has one thing going for him -- self promotion. His style alone has increased the Sirius subscriptions six-fold. Time will tell how successful he will be.
Sirius will not go bankrupt, but as for how profitable they will be, that is another question. It is clear to me that there is room for satellite and terrestrial radio. I believe terrestrial radio will have to produce programs that will justify the lack of a satellite purchase. This is the opposite of what we are hearing -- that satellite radio shows like Howard's will have to be outrageous to justify the subscriptions. Well, as long as the subscriptions are worth the cost, the listener will not care how outrageous they are. I don't. I now have a combination car/boombox system, and for a radio fan it is like I died and went to heaven. I am excited to listen to Howard, but even without him the quality of satellite radio is incomparably better.
Considering the cost of a movie, magazine subscription, cell phone, X Box, whatever, $12.95 per month is not much cost. Outside of sports shows, free television sucks, and men in particular are more than willing to turn to something else.
B.J. Shea had better be good or he is not going to last. The same will go for Adam Carrola, David Lee Roth, et.al.
Tom Leykis said tonight that stations that play classic rock, among other music formats, are dead. We have Sirius, XM, IPods, on-line music, etc., and terrestrial radio will lose ground as long as the the quality of programming is lacking.
I do think that as Howard has left the fines leveled against broadcasters will continue to lessen. Terrestrial radio will again try to push the decency envelope. Pushing the envelope is fine as long as it is not ultimately costly, in terms of indecency fines and, in particular, bad programming.
So who cares? Three million subscribers at the moment. We will soon find out if he is so much better than anything for free to justify the cost. I am sure that there is a good country tune on The Wolf for you. Are they up to song 3737 yet? Is anyone counting?
> > > http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/tv/252397_stern17.html
> > >
> > Here is a commentary by Richard Roeper on the subject.
> > Thought it was well done.
> >
> > http://www.suntimes.com/output/roeper/cst-nws-roep15.html
> >
> Ok...now I'm really making trouble. Thank g_d that
> toliet-trash Howard Stern is leaving the airwaves. Sirus has
> a long way to go with Sat Radio. Sirus is going to go
> bankrupt in the meantime as they consolidate with XM in
> about 5 years. It's best to follow the balance sheet with
> these things, though my hedge-fund guru Jim Cramer (Mad
> Money, CNBC) thinks otherwise, so we'll see.
>
Make trouble all you want, your opinion won't make a bit of difference. Howard has one thing going for him -- self promotion. His style alone has increased the Sirius subscriptions six-fold. Time will tell how successful he will be.
Sirius will not go bankrupt, but as for how profitable they will be, that is another question. It is clear to me that there is room for satellite and terrestrial radio. I believe terrestrial radio will have to produce programs that will justify the lack of a satellite purchase. This is the opposite of what we are hearing -- that satellite radio shows like Howard's will have to be outrageous to justify the subscriptions. Well, as long as the subscriptions are worth the cost, the listener will not care how outrageous they are. I don't. I now have a combination car/boombox system, and for a radio fan it is like I died and went to heaven. I am excited to listen to Howard, but even without him the quality of satellite radio is incomparably better.
Considering the cost of a movie, magazine subscription, cell phone, X Box, whatever, $12.95 per month is not much cost. Outside of sports shows, free television sucks, and men in particular are more than willing to turn to something else.
B.J. Shea had better be good or he is not going to last. The same will go for Adam Carrola, David Lee Roth, et.al.
Tom Leykis said tonight that stations that play classic rock, among other music formats, are dead. We have Sirius, XM, IPods, on-line music, etc., and terrestrial radio will lose ground as long as the the quality of programming is lacking.
I do think that as Howard has left the fines leveled against broadcasters will continue to lessen. Terrestrial radio will again try to push the decency envelope. Pushing the envelope is fine as long as it is not ultimately costly, in terms of indecency fines and, in particular, bad programming.
So who cares? Three million subscribers at the moment. We will soon find out if he is so much better than anything for free to justify the cost. I am sure that there is a good country tune on The Wolf for you. Are they up to song 3737 yet? Is anyone counting?
E
eastsidah
Guest
Re: Who cares?
> >
> Make trouble all you want, your opinion won't make a bit of
> difference. Howard has one thing going for him -- self
> promotion. His style alone has increased the Sirius
> subscriptions six-fold. Time will tell how successful he
> will be.
Really? Six-fold? I don't think so. Check your math again.
>
> Sirius will not go bankrupt, but as for how profitable they
> will be, that is another question. It is clear to me that
> there is room for satellite and terrestrial radio. I
> believe terrestrial radio will have to produce programs that
> will justify the lack of a satellite purchase. This is the
> opposite of what we are hearing -- that satellite radio
> shows like Howard's will have to be outrageous to justify
> the subscriptions. Well, as long as the subscriptions are
> worth the cost, the listener will not care how outrageous
> they are. I don't. I now have a combination car/boombox
> system, and for a radio fan it is like I died and went to
> heaven. I am excited to listen to Howard, but even without
> him the quality of satellite radio is incomparably better.
>
I've listened extensively to both satellite services and I've found both to be lacking. Their stations have the same shallow, short playlists that terrestrial radio stations have. Sure, they are a few more niche formats, but they have small playlists too. No interaction with the audience, no local news, no local anything really, poor audio quality...it pretty much sucks in my opinion.
>
Considering the cost of a movie, magazine subscription, cell
> phone, X Box, whatever, $12.95 per month is not much cost.
> Outside of sports shows, free television sucks, and men in
> particular are more than willing to turn to something else.
>
> B.J. Shea had better be good or he is not going to last.
> The same will go for Adam Carrola, David Lee Roth, et.al.
BJ has already lasted a little while...where have you been? Becuase he moves to mornings the guy suddenly has to prove himself to you?
>
> Tom Leykis said tonight that stations that play classic
> rock, among other music formats, are dead. We have Sirius,
> XM, IPods, on-line music, etc., and terrestrial radio will
> lose ground as long as the the quality of programming is
> lacking.
>
Maybe so. There are still lots of classic rockers that are doing quite well for themselves. I for one won't cry when the last classic rocker goes dark.
> I do think that as Howard has left the fines leveled against
> broadcasters will continue to lessen. Terrestrial radio
> will again try to push the decency envelope. Pushing the
> envelope is fine as long as it is not ultimately costly, in
> terms of indecency fines and, in particular, bad
> programming.
Fines or no fines, Howard was profitable for his stations. Push the envelope all you want as long as you can bill enough to pay the fines and still make some walking around money.
>
> So who cares? Three million subscribers at the moment. We
> will soon find out if he is so much better than anything for
> free to justify the cost. I am sure that there is a good
> country tune on The Wolf for you. Are they up to song 3737
> yet? Is anyone counting?
I think that a few curious souls will subscribe for the opportunity to be able to keep hearing Howard. Then after a few months or a year they'll realize that he's doing nothing different on satellite and give up and move on with their lives. Am I the only one who saw Howards act today as nothing more than a goodbye episode? It was like the guy was admitting that he was over, that he might as well just retire and forget about it.
>
> >
> Make trouble all you want, your opinion won't make a bit of
> difference. Howard has one thing going for him -- self
> promotion. His style alone has increased the Sirius
> subscriptions six-fold. Time will tell how successful he
> will be.
Really? Six-fold? I don't think so. Check your math again.
>
> Sirius will not go bankrupt, but as for how profitable they
> will be, that is another question. It is clear to me that
> there is room for satellite and terrestrial radio. I
> believe terrestrial radio will have to produce programs that
> will justify the lack of a satellite purchase. This is the
> opposite of what we are hearing -- that satellite radio
> shows like Howard's will have to be outrageous to justify
> the subscriptions. Well, as long as the subscriptions are
> worth the cost, the listener will not care how outrageous
> they are. I don't. I now have a combination car/boombox
> system, and for a radio fan it is like I died and went to
> heaven. I am excited to listen to Howard, but even without
> him the quality of satellite radio is incomparably better.
>
I've listened extensively to both satellite services and I've found both to be lacking. Their stations have the same shallow, short playlists that terrestrial radio stations have. Sure, they are a few more niche formats, but they have small playlists too. No interaction with the audience, no local news, no local anything really, poor audio quality...it pretty much sucks in my opinion.
>
Considering the cost of a movie, magazine subscription, cell
> phone, X Box, whatever, $12.95 per month is not much cost.
> Outside of sports shows, free television sucks, and men in
> particular are more than willing to turn to something else.
>
> B.J. Shea had better be good or he is not going to last.
> The same will go for Adam Carrola, David Lee Roth, et.al.
BJ has already lasted a little while...where have you been? Becuase he moves to mornings the guy suddenly has to prove himself to you?
>
> Tom Leykis said tonight that stations that play classic
> rock, among other music formats, are dead. We have Sirius,
> XM, IPods, on-line music, etc., and terrestrial radio will
> lose ground as long as the the quality of programming is
> lacking.
>
Maybe so. There are still lots of classic rockers that are doing quite well for themselves. I for one won't cry when the last classic rocker goes dark.
> I do think that as Howard has left the fines leveled against
> broadcasters will continue to lessen. Terrestrial radio
> will again try to push the decency envelope. Pushing the
> envelope is fine as long as it is not ultimately costly, in
> terms of indecency fines and, in particular, bad
> programming.
Fines or no fines, Howard was profitable for his stations. Push the envelope all you want as long as you can bill enough to pay the fines and still make some walking around money.
>
> So who cares? Three million subscribers at the moment. We
> will soon find out if he is so much better than anything for
> free to justify the cost. I am sure that there is a good
> country tune on The Wolf for you. Are they up to song 3737
> yet? Is anyone counting?
I think that a few curious souls will subscribe for the opportunity to be able to keep hearing Howard. Then after a few months or a year they'll realize that he's doing nothing different on satellite and give up and move on with their lives. Am I the only one who saw Howards act today as nothing more than a goodbye episode? It was like the guy was admitting that he was over, that he might as well just retire and forget about it.
>
Re: Who cares?
> > > http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/tv/252397_stern17.html
> > >
> > Here is a commentary by Richard Roeper on the subject.
> > Thought it was well done.
> >
> > http://www.suntimes.com/output/roeper/cst-nws-roep15.html
> >
> Ok...now I'm really making trouble. Thank g_d that
> toliet-trash Howard Stern is leaving the airwaves.
Goodbye to the former King Of All Media. Hope you enjoy your stay in a geostatic orbit of the earth as you dethrone yourself to the (slowly growing, yet)limited audience that is satellite radio. I agree with Steve. Give it a few years. We'll see a combined satellite radio service in the next three years.
> > > http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/tv/252397_stern17.html
> > >
> > Here is a commentary by Richard Roeper on the subject.
> > Thought it was well done.
> >
> > http://www.suntimes.com/output/roeper/cst-nws-roep15.html
> >
> Ok...now I'm really making trouble. Thank g_d that
> toliet-trash Howard Stern is leaving the airwaves.
Goodbye to the former King Of All Media. Hope you enjoy your stay in a geostatic orbit of the earth as you dethrone yourself to the (slowly growing, yet)limited audience that is satellite radio. I agree with Steve. Give it a few years. We'll see a combined satellite radio service in the next three years.
J
jeffconnell
Guest
Re: Who cares?
> I've listened extensively to both satellite services and
> I've found both to be lacking. Their stations have the same
> shallow, short playlists that terrestrial radio stations
> have. Sure, they are a few more niche formats, but they
> have small playlists too. No interaction with the audience,
> no local news, no local anything really, poor audio
> quality...it pretty much sucks in my opinion.
I disagree, in so much that listeners who are not radio geeks have proven that audio quality is not of paramount importance (ipods and 128kbs/mp3's), "new media=no dj's of ANY kind" and that seems to be something that the disenfranchised terrestrial listeners are seeking. That's why the Jack's have made a splash with listeners who didn't have a station they were happy with. In addition, there is an inarguable erosion of the young-end of radio listeners (and I think the case can be made that it's broader than just that) who are migrating to places where they can find options and niches. Though not the end of life as we know it, I have a great respect for the competitor that satellite could well become and I would never want to approach this with complacency. I also still LOVE and firmly believe in local radio. I think there is and will be room for both.
> I think that a few curious souls will subscribe for the
> opportunity to be able to keep hearing Howard. Then after a
> few months or a year they'll realize that he's doing nothing
> different on satellite and give up and move on with their
> lives.
I wouldn't be so sure. Sounds a lot like the argument about cable tv back a few years. I would say, his In Demand tv show will be something I'm watching closely. I'm guessing that will be a harder sell if it's in addition to a Sirius subscription. If it's a replacement, then maybe it will succeed.
> Am I the only one who saw Howards act today as
> nothing more than a goodbye episode? It was like the guy
> was admitting that he was over, that he might as well just
> retire and forget about it.
I'm sure you aren’t the only one, but I do think you’re wrong. Love him or hate him, one has to own up to the fact that Howard is a BRILLIANT marketer. The hype on this has been insane. I think this has FAR more to do with building momentum than throwing in the towel.
> I've listened extensively to both satellite services and
> I've found both to be lacking. Their stations have the same
> shallow, short playlists that terrestrial radio stations
> have. Sure, they are a few more niche formats, but they
> have small playlists too. No interaction with the audience,
> no local news, no local anything really, poor audio
> quality...it pretty much sucks in my opinion.
I disagree, in so much that listeners who are not radio geeks have proven that audio quality is not of paramount importance (ipods and 128kbs/mp3's), "new media=no dj's of ANY kind" and that seems to be something that the disenfranchised terrestrial listeners are seeking. That's why the Jack's have made a splash with listeners who didn't have a station they were happy with. In addition, there is an inarguable erosion of the young-end of radio listeners (and I think the case can be made that it's broader than just that) who are migrating to places where they can find options and niches. Though not the end of life as we know it, I have a great respect for the competitor that satellite could well become and I would never want to approach this with complacency. I also still LOVE and firmly believe in local radio. I think there is and will be room for both.
> I think that a few curious souls will subscribe for the
> opportunity to be able to keep hearing Howard. Then after a
> few months or a year they'll realize that he's doing nothing
> different on satellite and give up and move on with their
> lives.
I wouldn't be so sure. Sounds a lot like the argument about cable tv back a few years. I would say, his In Demand tv show will be something I'm watching closely. I'm guessing that will be a harder sell if it's in addition to a Sirius subscription. If it's a replacement, then maybe it will succeed.
> Am I the only one who saw Howards act today as
> nothing more than a goodbye episode? It was like the guy
> was admitting that he was over, that he might as well just
> retire and forget about it.
I'm sure you aren’t the only one, but I do think you’re wrong. Love him or hate him, one has to own up to the fact that Howard is a BRILLIANT marketer. The hype on this has been insane. I think this has FAR more to do with building momentum than throwing in the towel.
S
seattlex19
Guest
> Here is a commentary by Richard Roeper on the subject.
Even if you never listened to anything else on Sirius, if you're a hardcore fan of his show and you can afford it, the price is a bargain. It'll cost you about 43 cents a day to hear his show -- less than the other greatest deal in the media world, the Sun-Times at 50 cents per day.
Now that he mentions it though, 43 cents a day really is not much. What could one do with 43 cents - Get a newspaper? A couple of gumballs? Sponsor a starving child in Africa? *OR* Get FCC-Free Stern not to mention whatever else on Sirius...
Maybe they should adopt "43 cents a day" as an ad campaign. Spoof those CCF fundraiser commercials, Howard holding a small child in the ghetto - "For just 43 cents a day..."
Even if you never listened to anything else on Sirius, if you're a hardcore fan of his show and you can afford it, the price is a bargain. It'll cost you about 43 cents a day to hear his show -- less than the other greatest deal in the media world, the Sun-Times at 50 cents per day.
Now that he mentions it though, 43 cents a day really is not much. What could one do with 43 cents - Get a newspaper? A couple of gumballs? Sponsor a starving child in Africa? *OR* Get FCC-Free Stern not to mention whatever else on Sirius...
Maybe they should adopt "43 cents a day" as an ad campaign. Spoof those CCF fundraiser commercials, Howard holding a small child in the ghetto - "For just 43 cents a day..."
S
seattlex19
Guest
Re: Who cares?
>
> Really? Six-fold? I don't think so. Check your math again.
>
I believe what he was intending to say was 500,000 x 6 = 3 million as opposed to 500,000 to the 6th power...
> Am I the only one who saw Howards act today as
> nothing more than a goodbye episode? It was like the guy
> was admitting that he was over, that he might as well just
> retire and forget about it.
With his 20+ year career to look back on, and a 500 mil contract, and what amounts to his own station to play with, I don't think he cares as much if it is ""successful"" as he does that he is having fun doing it
>
> Really? Six-fold? I don't think so. Check your math again.
>
I believe what he was intending to say was 500,000 x 6 = 3 million as opposed to 500,000 to the 6th power...
> Am I the only one who saw Howards act today as
> nothing more than a goodbye episode? It was like the guy
> was admitting that he was over, that he might as well just
> retire and forget about it.
With his 20+ year career to look back on, and a 500 mil contract, and what amounts to his own station to play with, I don't think he cares as much if it is ""successful"" as he does that he is having fun doing it
A
allisonmarie
Guest
Re: Who cares? Howard does that's who! Robin and the gang too!
> > >
> > Make trouble all you want, your opinion won't make a bit
> of
> > difference. Howard has one thing going for him -- self
> > promotion. His style alone has increased the Sirius
> > subscriptions six-fold. Time will tell how successful he
> > will be.
>
> Really? Six-fold? I don't think so. Check your math again.
>
> >
> > Sirius will not go bankrupt, but as for how profitable
> they
> > will be, that is another question. It is clear to me that
>
> > there is room for satellite and terrestrial radio. I
> > believe terrestrial radio will have to produce programs
> that
> > will justify the lack of a satellite purchase. This is
> the
> > opposite of what we are hearing -- that satellite radio
> > shows like Howard's will have to be outrageous to justify
> > the subscriptions. Well, as long as the subscriptions are
>
> > worth the cost, the listener will not care how outrageous
> > they are. I don't. I now have a combination car/boombox
> > system, and for a radio fan it is like I died and went to
> > heaven. I am excited to listen to Howard, but even
> without
> > him the quality of satellite radio is incomparably better.
>
> >
> I've listened extensively to both satellite services and
> I've found both to be lacking. Their stations have the same
> shallow, short playlists that terrestrial radio stations
> have. Sure, they are a few more niche formats, but they
> have small playlists too. No interaction with the audience,
> no local news, no local anything really, poor audio
> quality...it pretty much sucks in my opinion.
> >
> Considering the cost of a movie, magazine subscription,
> cell
> > phone, X Box, whatever, $12.95 per month is not much cost.
>
> > Outside of sports shows, free television sucks, and men in
>
> > particular are more than willing to turn to something
> else.
> >
> > B.J. Shea had better be good or he is not going to last.
> > The same will go for Adam Carrola, David Lee Roth, et.al.
>
>
> BJ has already lasted a little while...where have you been?
> Becuase he moves to mornings the guy suddenly has to prove
> himself to you?
> >
> > Tom Leykis said tonight that stations that play classic
> > rock, among other music formats, are dead. We have
> Sirius,
> > XM, IPods, on-line music, etc., and terrestrial radio will
>
> > lose ground as long as the the quality of programming is
> > lacking.
> >
> Maybe so. There are still lots of classic rockers that are
> doing quite well for themselves. I for one won't cry when
> the last classic rocker goes dark.
>
> > I do think that as Howard has left the fines leveled
> against
> > broadcasters will continue to lessen. Terrestrial radio
> > will again try to push the decency envelope. Pushing the
> > envelope is fine as long as it is not ultimately costly,
> in
> > terms of indecency fines and, in particular, bad
> > programming.
>
> Fines or no fines, Howard was profitable for his stations.
> Push the envelope all you want as long as you can bill
> enough to pay the fines and still make some walking around
> money.
> >
> > So who cares? Three million subscribers at the moment.
> We
> > will soon find out if he is so much better than anything
> for
> > free to justify the cost. I am sure that there is a good
> > country tune on The Wolf for you. Are they up to song
> 3737
> > yet? Is anyone counting?
>
> I think that a few curious souls will subscribe for the
> opportunity to be able to keep hearing Howard. Then after a
> few months or a year they'll realize that he's doing nothing
> different on satellite and give up and move on with their
> lives. Am I the only one who saw Howards act today as
> nothing more than a goodbye episode? It was like the guy
> was admitting that he was over, that he might as well just
> retire and forget about it.
> >
>
For $500 Million I could do that! What do you think Howard is stupid? He is going to be laughing all the way to the bank! I believe he is going to be a
lot more entertaining than you give him credit for! Are you sure your not wishing it was you up there making that much cash doing what he's doing?
Howard is softcore and look how much that type of trash is making on the internet already! Sirius brass making serious cash and they already are starting to rake it in! Besides the trash he can also focus in on very serious topics too! Strike a good balance between the two and he will do just fine.
What he needs to accomplish that is to have good behind the scenes producers guiding him to a new career high and show all the detractors he is more than what they perceive him to be! And all for $.43 cents a day! What a guy!
> > >
> > Make trouble all you want, your opinion won't make a bit
> of
> > difference. Howard has one thing going for him -- self
> > promotion. His style alone has increased the Sirius
> > subscriptions six-fold. Time will tell how successful he
> > will be.
>
> Really? Six-fold? I don't think so. Check your math again.
>
> >
> > Sirius will not go bankrupt, but as for how profitable
> they
> > will be, that is another question. It is clear to me that
>
> > there is room for satellite and terrestrial radio. I
> > believe terrestrial radio will have to produce programs
> that
> > will justify the lack of a satellite purchase. This is
> the
> > opposite of what we are hearing -- that satellite radio
> > shows like Howard's will have to be outrageous to justify
> > the subscriptions. Well, as long as the subscriptions are
>
> > worth the cost, the listener will not care how outrageous
> > they are. I don't. I now have a combination car/boombox
> > system, and for a radio fan it is like I died and went to
> > heaven. I am excited to listen to Howard, but even
> without
> > him the quality of satellite radio is incomparably better.
>
> >
> I've listened extensively to both satellite services and
> I've found both to be lacking. Their stations have the same
> shallow, short playlists that terrestrial radio stations
> have. Sure, they are a few more niche formats, but they
> have small playlists too. No interaction with the audience,
> no local news, no local anything really, poor audio
> quality...it pretty much sucks in my opinion.
> >
> Considering the cost of a movie, magazine subscription,
> cell
> > phone, X Box, whatever, $12.95 per month is not much cost.
>
> > Outside of sports shows, free television sucks, and men in
>
> > particular are more than willing to turn to something
> else.
> >
> > B.J. Shea had better be good or he is not going to last.
> > The same will go for Adam Carrola, David Lee Roth, et.al.
>
>
> BJ has already lasted a little while...where have you been?
> Becuase he moves to mornings the guy suddenly has to prove
> himself to you?
> >
> > Tom Leykis said tonight that stations that play classic
> > rock, among other music formats, are dead. We have
> Sirius,
> > XM, IPods, on-line music, etc., and terrestrial radio will
>
> > lose ground as long as the the quality of programming is
> > lacking.
> >
> Maybe so. There are still lots of classic rockers that are
> doing quite well for themselves. I for one won't cry when
> the last classic rocker goes dark.
>
> > I do think that as Howard has left the fines leveled
> against
> > broadcasters will continue to lessen. Terrestrial radio
> > will again try to push the decency envelope. Pushing the
> > envelope is fine as long as it is not ultimately costly,
> in
> > terms of indecency fines and, in particular, bad
> > programming.
>
> Fines or no fines, Howard was profitable for his stations.
> Push the envelope all you want as long as you can bill
> enough to pay the fines and still make some walking around
> money.
> >
> > So who cares? Three million subscribers at the moment.
> We
> > will soon find out if he is so much better than anything
> for
> > free to justify the cost. I am sure that there is a good
> > country tune on The Wolf for you. Are they up to song
> 3737
> > yet? Is anyone counting?
>
> I think that a few curious souls will subscribe for the
> opportunity to be able to keep hearing Howard. Then after a
> few months or a year they'll realize that he's doing nothing
> different on satellite and give up and move on with their
> lives. Am I the only one who saw Howards act today as
> nothing more than a goodbye episode? It was like the guy
> was admitting that he was over, that he might as well just
> retire and forget about it.
> >
>
For $500 Million I could do that! What do you think Howard is stupid? He is going to be laughing all the way to the bank! I believe he is going to be a
lot more entertaining than you give him credit for! Are you sure your not wishing it was you up there making that much cash doing what he's doing?
Howard is softcore and look how much that type of trash is making on the internet already! Sirius brass making serious cash and they already are starting to rake it in! Besides the trash he can also focus in on very serious topics too! Strike a good balance between the two and he will do just fine.
What he needs to accomplish that is to have good behind the scenes producers guiding him to a new career high and show all the detractors he is more than what they perceive him to be! And all for $.43 cents a day! What a guy!
A
AQH
Guest
Since there will be no restrictions, Howard won't be able to play victim anymore. He can talk about sex and everything he wants to til he's blue in the face (or blue in two other pieces of his body).
Bridge Ratings (too lazy to Google it) did a study awhile ago saying that only half of his listeners might be interested in jumping to Sirius. Of that half, nine percent of them said they definitely would go over after they were told of the extra upcharge to hear Howard (in addition to the base Sirius fee).
Now, I'm sure that number has gone up since the study was done a few months ago, but it still doesn't bode well for Howard and his hugely stock-laden and performance clause contract.
I'd rather give the money to Sally Struthers.
> > Here is a commentary by Richard Roeper on the subject.
>
> Even if you never listened to anything else on Sirius, if
> you're a hardcore fan of his show and you can afford it, the
> price is a bargain. It'll cost you about 43 cents a day to
> hear his show -- less than the other greatest deal in the
> media world, the Sun-Times at 50 cents per day.
>
> Now that he mentions it though, 43 cents a day really is not
> much. What could one do with 43 cents - Get a newspaper? A
> couple of gumballs? Sponsor a starving child in Africa? *OR*
> Get FCC-Free Stern not to mention whatever else on Sirius...
>
>
> Maybe they should adopt "43 cents a day" as an ad campaign.
> Spoof those CCF fundraiser commercials, Howard holding a
> small child in the ghetto - "For just 43 cents a day..."
>
Bridge Ratings (too lazy to Google it) did a study awhile ago saying that only half of his listeners might be interested in jumping to Sirius. Of that half, nine percent of them said they definitely would go over after they were told of the extra upcharge to hear Howard (in addition to the base Sirius fee).
Now, I'm sure that number has gone up since the study was done a few months ago, but it still doesn't bode well for Howard and his hugely stock-laden and performance clause contract.
I'd rather give the money to Sally Struthers.
> > Here is a commentary by Richard Roeper on the subject.
>
> Even if you never listened to anything else on Sirius, if
> you're a hardcore fan of his show and you can afford it, the
> price is a bargain. It'll cost you about 43 cents a day to
> hear his show -- less than the other greatest deal in the
> media world, the Sun-Times at 50 cents per day.
>
> Now that he mentions it though, 43 cents a day really is not
> much. What could one do with 43 cents - Get a newspaper? A
> couple of gumballs? Sponsor a starving child in Africa? *OR*
> Get FCC-Free Stern not to mention whatever else on Sirius...
>
>
> Maybe they should adopt "43 cents a day" as an ad campaign.
> Spoof those CCF fundraiser commercials, Howard holding a
> small child in the ghetto - "For just 43 cents a day..."
>
A
AQH
Guest
Re: Who cares? Howard does that's who! Robin and the gang too!
> For $500 Million I could do that!
Do you know what percentage of that $500 million is in stock options. I'm not going to do the legwork for you, but once you find out, you might be surprised.
What do you think Howard
> is stupid? He is going to be laughing all the way to the
> bank! I believe he is going to be a
> lot more entertaining than you give him credit for! Are you
> sure your not wishing it was you up there making that much
> cash doing what he's doing?
His shtick and approach are going to change when he makes the move.
> Howard is softcore and look how much that type of trash is
> making on the internet already! Sirius brass making serious
> cash and they already are starting to rake it in! Besides
> the trash he can also focus in on very serious topics too!
> Strike a good balance between the two and he will do just
> fine.
But he won't be able to play victim to the FCC anymore. That was half his schtick.
> What he needs to accomplish that is to have good behind the
> scenes producers guiding him to a new career high and show
> all the detractors he is more than what they perceive him to
> be! And all for $.43 cents a day! What a guy!
Like I said before, I'd rather give to Sally Struthers.
> For $500 Million I could do that!
Do you know what percentage of that $500 million is in stock options. I'm not going to do the legwork for you, but once you find out, you might be surprised.
What do you think Howard
> is stupid? He is going to be laughing all the way to the
> bank! I believe he is going to be a
> lot more entertaining than you give him credit for! Are you
> sure your not wishing it was you up there making that much
> cash doing what he's doing?
His shtick and approach are going to change when he makes the move.
> Howard is softcore and look how much that type of trash is
> making on the internet already! Sirius brass making serious
> cash and they already are starting to rake it in! Besides
> the trash he can also focus in on very serious topics too!
> Strike a good balance between the two and he will do just
> fine.
But he won't be able to play victim to the FCC anymore. That was half his schtick.
> What he needs to accomplish that is to have good behind the
> scenes producers guiding him to a new career high and show
> all the detractors he is more than what they perceive him to
> be! And all for $.43 cents a day! What a guy!
Like I said before, I'd rather give to Sally Struthers.
A
AQH
Guest
Re: Who cares?
> With his 20+ year career to look back on, and a 500 mil
> contract, and what amounts to his own station to play with,
> I don't think he cares as much if it is ""successful"" as he
> does that he is having fun doing it
The test for Stern will not be 2006, but rather 2007 and 2008. Let's see how people feel about him and how many subscirbers he'll have then.
> With his 20+ year career to look back on, and a 500 mil
> contract, and what amounts to his own station to play with,
> I don't think he cares as much if it is ""successful"" as he
> does that he is having fun doing it
The test for Stern will not be 2006, but rather 2007 and 2008. Let's see how people feel about him and how many subscirbers he'll have then.
A
AQH
Guest
Re: Who cares?
Good responses. Glad someone here understands the radio reality.
> > >
> > Make trouble all you want, your opinion won't make a bit
> of
> > difference. Howard has one thing going for him -- self
> > promotion. His style alone has increased the Sirius
> > subscriptions six-fold. Time will tell how successful he
> > will be.
>
> Really? Six-fold? I don't think so. Check your math again.
>
> >
> > Sirius will not go bankrupt, but as for how profitable
> they
> > will be, that is another question. It is clear to me that
>
> > there is room for satellite and terrestrial radio. I
> > believe terrestrial radio will have to produce programs
> that
> > will justify the lack of a satellite purchase. This is
> the
> > opposite of what we are hearing -- that satellite radio
> > shows like Howard's will have to be outrageous to justify
> > the subscriptions. Well, as long as the subscriptions are
>
> > worth the cost, the listener will not care how outrageous
> > they are. I don't. I now have a combination car/boombox
> > system, and for a radio fan it is like I died and went to
> > heaven. I am excited to listen to Howard, but even
> without
> > him the quality of satellite radio is incomparably better.
>
> >
> I've listened extensively to both satellite services and
> I've found both to be lacking. Their stations have the same
> shallow, short playlists that terrestrial radio stations
> have. Sure, they are a few more niche formats, but they
> have small playlists too. No interaction with the audience,
> no local news, no local anything really, poor audio
> quality...it pretty much sucks in my opinion.
> >
> Considering the cost of a movie, magazine subscription,
> cell
> > phone, X Box, whatever, $12.95 per month is not much cost.
>
> > Outside of sports shows, free television sucks, and men in
>
> > particular are more than willing to turn to something
> else.
> >
> > B.J. Shea had better be good or he is not going to last.
> > The same will go for Adam Carrola, David Lee Roth, et.al.
>
>
> BJ has already lasted a little while...where have you been?
> Becuase he moves to mornings the guy suddenly has to prove
> himself to you?
> >
> > Tom Leykis said tonight that stations that play classic
> > rock, among other music formats, are dead. We have
> Sirius,
> > XM, IPods, on-line music, etc., and terrestrial radio will
>
> > lose ground as long as the the quality of programming is
> > lacking.
> >
> Maybe so. There are still lots of classic rockers that are
> doing quite well for themselves. I for one won't cry when
> the last classic rocker goes dark.
>
> > I do think that as Howard has left the fines leveled
> against
> > broadcasters will continue to lessen. Terrestrial radio
> > will again try to push the decency envelope. Pushing the
> > envelope is fine as long as it is not ultimately costly,
> in
> > terms of indecency fines and, in particular, bad
> > programming.
>
> Fines or no fines, Howard was profitable for his stations.
> Push the envelope all you want as long as you can bill
> enough to pay the fines and still make some walking around
> money.
> >
> > So who cares? Three million subscribers at the moment.
> We
> > will soon find out if he is so much better than anything
> for
> > free to justify the cost. I am sure that there is a good
> > country tune on The Wolf for you. Are they up to song
> 3737
> > yet? Is anyone counting?
>
> I think that a few curious souls will subscribe for the
> opportunity to be able to keep hearing Howard. Then after a
> few months or a year they'll realize that he's doing nothing
> different on satellite and give up and move on with their
> lives. Am I the only one who saw Howards act today as
> nothing more than a goodbye episode? It was like the guy
> was admitting that he was over, that he might as well just
> retire and forget about it.
> >
>
Good responses. Glad someone here understands the radio reality.
> > >
> > Make trouble all you want, your opinion won't make a bit
> of
> > difference. Howard has one thing going for him -- self
> > promotion. His style alone has increased the Sirius
> > subscriptions six-fold. Time will tell how successful he
> > will be.
>
> Really? Six-fold? I don't think so. Check your math again.
>
> >
> > Sirius will not go bankrupt, but as for how profitable
> they
> > will be, that is another question. It is clear to me that
>
> > there is room for satellite and terrestrial radio. I
> > believe terrestrial radio will have to produce programs
> that
> > will justify the lack of a satellite purchase. This is
> the
> > opposite of what we are hearing -- that satellite radio
> > shows like Howard's will have to be outrageous to justify
> > the subscriptions. Well, as long as the subscriptions are
>
> > worth the cost, the listener will not care how outrageous
> > they are. I don't. I now have a combination car/boombox
> > system, and for a radio fan it is like I died and went to
> > heaven. I am excited to listen to Howard, but even
> without
> > him the quality of satellite radio is incomparably better.
>
> >
> I've listened extensively to both satellite services and
> I've found both to be lacking. Their stations have the same
> shallow, short playlists that terrestrial radio stations
> have. Sure, they are a few more niche formats, but they
> have small playlists too. No interaction with the audience,
> no local news, no local anything really, poor audio
> quality...it pretty much sucks in my opinion.
> >
> Considering the cost of a movie, magazine subscription,
> cell
> > phone, X Box, whatever, $12.95 per month is not much cost.
>
> > Outside of sports shows, free television sucks, and men in
>
> > particular are more than willing to turn to something
> else.
> >
> > B.J. Shea had better be good or he is not going to last.
> > The same will go for Adam Carrola, David Lee Roth, et.al.
>
>
> BJ has already lasted a little while...where have you been?
> Becuase he moves to mornings the guy suddenly has to prove
> himself to you?
> >
> > Tom Leykis said tonight that stations that play classic
> > rock, among other music formats, are dead. We have
> Sirius,
> > XM, IPods, on-line music, etc., and terrestrial radio will
>
> > lose ground as long as the the quality of programming is
> > lacking.
> >
> Maybe so. There are still lots of classic rockers that are
> doing quite well for themselves. I for one won't cry when
> the last classic rocker goes dark.
>
> > I do think that as Howard has left the fines leveled
> against
> > broadcasters will continue to lessen. Terrestrial radio
> > will again try to push the decency envelope. Pushing the
> > envelope is fine as long as it is not ultimately costly,
> in
> > terms of indecency fines and, in particular, bad
> > programming.
>
> Fines or no fines, Howard was profitable for his stations.
> Push the envelope all you want as long as you can bill
> enough to pay the fines and still make some walking around
> money.
> >
> > So who cares? Three million subscribers at the moment.
> We
> > will soon find out if he is so much better than anything
> for
> > free to justify the cost. I am sure that there is a good
> > country tune on The Wolf for you. Are they up to song
> 3737
> > yet? Is anyone counting?
>
> I think that a few curious souls will subscribe for the
> opportunity to be able to keep hearing Howard. Then after a
> few months or a year they'll realize that he's doing nothing
> different on satellite and give up and move on with their
> lives. Am I the only one who saw Howards act today as
> nothing more than a goodbye episode? It was like the guy
> was admitting that he was over, that he might as well just
> retire and forget about it.
> >
>
E
eastsidah
Guest
Re: Who cares?
> > I've listened extensively to both satellite services and
> > I've found both to be lacking. Their stations have the
> same
> > shallow, short playlists that terrestrial radio stations
> > have. Sure, they are a few more niche formats, but they
> > have small playlists too. No interaction with the
> audience,
> > no local news, no local anything really, poor audio
> > quality...it pretty much sucks in my opinion.
>
> I disagree, in so much that listeners who are not radio
> geeks have proven that audio quality is not of paramount
> importance (ipods and 128kbs/mp3's), "new media=no dj's of
> ANY kind" and that seems to be something that the
> disenfranchised terrestrial listeners are seeking. That's
> why the Jack's have made a splash with listeners who didn't
> have a station they were happy with. In addition, there is
> an inarguable erosion of the young-end of radio listeners
> (and I think the case can be made that it's broader than
> just that) who are migrating to places where they can find
> options and niches. Though not the end of life as we know
> it, I have a great respect for the competitor that satellite
> could well become and I would never want to approach this
> with complacency. I also still LOVE and firmly believe in
> local radio. I think there is and will be room for both.
>
>
> > I think that a few curious souls will subscribe for the
> > opportunity to be able to keep hearing Howard. Then after
> a
> > few months or a year they'll realize that he's doing
> nothing
> > different on satellite and give up and move on with their
> > lives.
>
> I wouldn't be so sure. Sounds a lot like the argument about
> cable tv back a few years. I would say, his In Demand tv
> show will be something I'm watching closely. I'm guessing
> that will be a harder sell if it's in addition to a Sirius
> subscription. If it's a replacement, then maybe it will
> succeed.
>
>
> > Am I the only one who saw Howards act today as
> > nothing more than a goodbye episode? It was like the guy
> > was admitting that he was over, that he might as well just
>
> > retire and forget about it.
>
> I'm sure you aren’t the only one, but I do think you’re
> wrong. Love him or hate him, one has to own up to the fact
> that Howard is a BRILLIANT marketer. The hype on this has
> been insane. I think this has FAR more to do with building
> momentum than throwing in the towel.
I don't disagree that the man is a brilliant marketer. He knows how to get attention for himself...how to create "buzz" for sure.
IF he can come up with some creative new schick for his satellite programming then sure, people will pay the money for it and be happy about it. Maybe I'm a societal optimist, but I don't think that too many people in this country are really THAT interested in paying money to listen to a radio channel featuring a woman who has phone sex with listeners...then again, with porn being the biggest draw on the internet, who knows...I myself am far more interested in what the content of the channels outside of Stern's show will be...interested and frightened.
> > I've listened extensively to both satellite services and
> > I've found both to be lacking. Their stations have the
> same
> > shallow, short playlists that terrestrial radio stations
> > have. Sure, they are a few more niche formats, but they
> > have small playlists too. No interaction with the
> audience,
> > no local news, no local anything really, poor audio
> > quality...it pretty much sucks in my opinion.
>
> I disagree, in so much that listeners who are not radio
> geeks have proven that audio quality is not of paramount
> importance (ipods and 128kbs/mp3's), "new media=no dj's of
> ANY kind" and that seems to be something that the
> disenfranchised terrestrial listeners are seeking. That's
> why the Jack's have made a splash with listeners who didn't
> have a station they were happy with. In addition, there is
> an inarguable erosion of the young-end of radio listeners
> (and I think the case can be made that it's broader than
> just that) who are migrating to places where they can find
> options and niches. Though not the end of life as we know
> it, I have a great respect for the competitor that satellite
> could well become and I would never want to approach this
> with complacency. I also still LOVE and firmly believe in
> local radio. I think there is and will be room for both.
>
>
> > I think that a few curious souls will subscribe for the
> > opportunity to be able to keep hearing Howard. Then after
> a
> > few months or a year they'll realize that he's doing
> nothing
> > different on satellite and give up and move on with their
> > lives.
>
> I wouldn't be so sure. Sounds a lot like the argument about
> cable tv back a few years. I would say, his In Demand tv
> show will be something I'm watching closely. I'm guessing
> that will be a harder sell if it's in addition to a Sirius
> subscription. If it's a replacement, then maybe it will
> succeed.
>
>
> > Am I the only one who saw Howards act today as
> > nothing more than a goodbye episode? It was like the guy
> > was admitting that he was over, that he might as well just
>
> > retire and forget about it.
>
> I'm sure you aren’t the only one, but I do think you’re
> wrong. Love him or hate him, one has to own up to the fact
> that Howard is a BRILLIANT marketer. The hype on this has
> been insane. I think this has FAR more to do with building
> momentum than throwing in the towel.
I don't disagree that the man is a brilliant marketer. He knows how to get attention for himself...how to create "buzz" for sure.
IF he can come up with some creative new schick for his satellite programming then sure, people will pay the money for it and be happy about it. Maybe I'm a societal optimist, but I don't think that too many people in this country are really THAT interested in paying money to listen to a radio channel featuring a woman who has phone sex with listeners...then again, with porn being the biggest draw on the internet, who knows...I myself am far more interested in what the content of the channels outside of Stern's show will be...interested and frightened.
> I'd rather give the money to Sally Struthers.
For certain, giving either to Howard or Sally would mean to give to someone would would eat the profits. Howard would do so figuratively, and Sally would eat the profits literally.
For certain, giving either to Howard or Sally would mean to give to someone would would eat the profits. Howard would do so figuratively, and Sally would eat the profits literally.
Re: Who cares?
> > >
> > Make trouble all you want, your opinion won't make a bit
> of
> > difference. Howard has one thing going for him -- self
> > promotion. His style alone has increased the Sirius
> > subscriptions six-fold. Time will tell how successful he
> > will be.
>
> Really? Six-fold? I don't think so. Check your math again.
Crack open a dictionary, eastsidah. There is a reason why I moved away from Spokane, people like yourself who make comments without looking anything up. Enjoy that Spokane media (ugh!) From Dictionary.com:
six-fold
Sixfold Six"fold`, a. [AS. sixfealand.] Six times repeated; six times as much or as many.
Read the Richard Roeper article; the increase is completely supported by facts.
> > Sirius will not go bankrupt, but as for how profitable
> they
> > will be, that is another question. It is clear to me that
>
> > there is room for satellite and terrestrial radio. I
> > believe terrestrial radio will have to produce programs
> that
> > will justify the lack of a satellite purchase. This is
> the
> > opposite of what we are hearing -- that satellite radio
> > shows like Howard's will have to be outrageous to justify
> > the subscriptions. Well, as long as the subscriptions are
>
> > worth the cost, the listener will not care how outrageous
> > they are. I don't. I now have a combination car/boombox
> > system, and for a radio fan it is like I died and went to
> > heaven. I am excited to listen to Howard, but even
> without
> > him the quality of satellite radio is incomparably better.
>
> >
> I've listened extensively to both satellite services and
> I've found both to be lacking. Their stations have the same
> shallow, short playlists that terrestrial radio stations
> have. Sure, they are a few more niche formats, but they
> have small playlists too. No interaction with the audience,
> no local news, no local anything really, poor audio
> quality...it pretty much sucks in my opinion.
I have not experienced Sirius to have a shallow play list. Multiple music channels has diversified the choices. Certainly, each channel is narrowly aimed at a particular target audience, but I have not heard the same songs played ad nauseum. They seem album-oriented based on the particular channel to me.
> Considering the cost of a movie, magazine subscription,
> cell
> > phone, X Box, whatever, $12.95 per month is not much cost.
>
> > Outside of sports shows, free television sucks, and men in
>
> > particular are more than willing to turn to something
> else.
> >
> > B.J. Shea had better be good or he is not going to last.
> > The same will go for Adam Carrola, David Lee Roth, et.al.
>
>
> BJ has already lasted a little while...where have you been?
> Becuase he moves to mornings the guy suddenly has to prove
> himself to you?
B.J. has a lot to prove. He got a plum morning drive show; good for him. Now lets see what he can do with it. I have listened to BJ for about four years and have never been so excited to hear him. I turn him off every time that shrill laughing occurs in the background and he goes into a nonsensical rant. BJ did afternoons, then mornings, then afternoons again. He was never THAT good. The ratings he did have reflected being the only mid-day talk format of his kind. There is a lot of morning talk, with and without music. He will be competing with Rivers, NoName and Jennifer White, T-Man, and others, and we will see how he does. Me thinks it is a disaster in the making, and KISW will end up reinventing itself as a music station again. I still think Ricker has the best chance of being successful. Ricker could do mornings, more music could be played in the afternoon -- perhaps Bill Reid, Scott Vanderpool, or someone else. Get it back to being a good radio station. As for B.J., he could work for KXLY. Team him up with Rick Lukens.
> > Tom Leykis said tonight that stations that play classic
> > rock, among other music formats, are dead. We have
> Sirius,
> > XM, IPods, on-line music, etc., and terrestrial radio will
>
> > lose ground as long as the the quality of programming is
> > lacking.
> >
> Maybe so. There are still lots of classic rockers that are
> doing quite well for themselves. I for one won't cry when
> the last classic rocker goes dark.
I think there is a place for someone who is REALLY GOOD at Classic Rock, ala Steve Slayton. Too many jocks just spin records. I think there is a place for art appreciation on the radio, but it cannot be appreciated by someone with no connection to the artform. If it can be done well it will still have some time to breathe.
> > I do think that as Howard has left the fines leveled
> against
> > broadcasters will continue to lessen. Terrestrial radio
> > will again try to push the decency envelope. Pushing the
> > envelope is fine as long as it is not ultimately costly,
> in
> > terms of indecency fines and, in particular, bad
> > programming.
>
> Fines or no fines, Howard was profitable for his stations.
> Push the envelope all you want as long as you can bill
> enough to pay the fines and still make some walking around
> money.
We agree on that one.
> > So who cares? Three million subscribers at the moment.
> We
> > will soon find out if he is so much better than anything
> for
> > free to justify the cost. I am sure that there is a good
> > country tune on The Wolf for you. Are they up to song
> 3737
> > yet? Is anyone counting?
>
> I think that a few curious souls will subscribe for the
> opportunity to be able to keep hearing Howard. Then after a
> few months or a year they'll realize that he's doing nothing
> different on satellite and give up and move on with their
> lives. Am I the only one who saw Howards act today as
> nothing more than a goodbye episode? It was like the guy
> was admitting that he was over, that he might as well just
> retire and forget about it.
We agree, on the second part. Howard's act was weak for two weeks. It was a bit tough for me and a lot of listeners in the Seattle area to appreciate twenty years on the air when we had him for just 4 1/2 years. But I do think he has a real shot of doing something special, by combining his radio show with In Demand TV (just $10 monthly on Comcast) and other media ventures. If he really is the King of All Media, he could master his radio show and carry it to several other outlets (T.V., Books, maybe another film). He could even make T.V. watchable again.
> > >
> > Make trouble all you want, your opinion won't make a bit
> of
> > difference. Howard has one thing going for him -- self
> > promotion. His style alone has increased the Sirius
> > subscriptions six-fold. Time will tell how successful he
> > will be.
>
> Really? Six-fold? I don't think so. Check your math again.
Crack open a dictionary, eastsidah. There is a reason why I moved away from Spokane, people like yourself who make comments without looking anything up. Enjoy that Spokane media (ugh!) From Dictionary.com:
six-fold
Sixfold Six"fold`, a. [AS. sixfealand.] Six times repeated; six times as much or as many.
Read the Richard Roeper article; the increase is completely supported by facts.
> > Sirius will not go bankrupt, but as for how profitable
> they
> > will be, that is another question. It is clear to me that
>
> > there is room for satellite and terrestrial radio. I
> > believe terrestrial radio will have to produce programs
> that
> > will justify the lack of a satellite purchase. This is
> the
> > opposite of what we are hearing -- that satellite radio
> > shows like Howard's will have to be outrageous to justify
> > the subscriptions. Well, as long as the subscriptions are
>
> > worth the cost, the listener will not care how outrageous
> > they are. I don't. I now have a combination car/boombox
> > system, and for a radio fan it is like I died and went to
> > heaven. I am excited to listen to Howard, but even
> without
> > him the quality of satellite radio is incomparably better.
>
> >
> I've listened extensively to both satellite services and
> I've found both to be lacking. Their stations have the same
> shallow, short playlists that terrestrial radio stations
> have. Sure, they are a few more niche formats, but they
> have small playlists too. No interaction with the audience,
> no local news, no local anything really, poor audio
> quality...it pretty much sucks in my opinion.
I have not experienced Sirius to have a shallow play list. Multiple music channels has diversified the choices. Certainly, each channel is narrowly aimed at a particular target audience, but I have not heard the same songs played ad nauseum. They seem album-oriented based on the particular channel to me.
> Considering the cost of a movie, magazine subscription,
> cell
> > phone, X Box, whatever, $12.95 per month is not much cost.
>
> > Outside of sports shows, free television sucks, and men in
>
> > particular are more than willing to turn to something
> else.
> >
> > B.J. Shea had better be good or he is not going to last.
> > The same will go for Adam Carrola, David Lee Roth, et.al.
>
>
> BJ has already lasted a little while...where have you been?
> Becuase he moves to mornings the guy suddenly has to prove
> himself to you?
B.J. has a lot to prove. He got a plum morning drive show; good for him. Now lets see what he can do with it. I have listened to BJ for about four years and have never been so excited to hear him. I turn him off every time that shrill laughing occurs in the background and he goes into a nonsensical rant. BJ did afternoons, then mornings, then afternoons again. He was never THAT good. The ratings he did have reflected being the only mid-day talk format of his kind. There is a lot of morning talk, with and without music. He will be competing with Rivers, NoName and Jennifer White, T-Man, and others, and we will see how he does. Me thinks it is a disaster in the making, and KISW will end up reinventing itself as a music station again. I still think Ricker has the best chance of being successful. Ricker could do mornings, more music could be played in the afternoon -- perhaps Bill Reid, Scott Vanderpool, or someone else. Get it back to being a good radio station. As for B.J., he could work for KXLY. Team him up with Rick Lukens.
> > Tom Leykis said tonight that stations that play classic
> > rock, among other music formats, are dead. We have
> Sirius,
> > XM, IPods, on-line music, etc., and terrestrial radio will
>
> > lose ground as long as the the quality of programming is
> > lacking.
> >
> Maybe so. There are still lots of classic rockers that are
> doing quite well for themselves. I for one won't cry when
> the last classic rocker goes dark.
I think there is a place for someone who is REALLY GOOD at Classic Rock, ala Steve Slayton. Too many jocks just spin records. I think there is a place for art appreciation on the radio, but it cannot be appreciated by someone with no connection to the artform. If it can be done well it will still have some time to breathe.
> > I do think that as Howard has left the fines leveled
> against
> > broadcasters will continue to lessen. Terrestrial radio
> > will again try to push the decency envelope. Pushing the
> > envelope is fine as long as it is not ultimately costly,
> in
> > terms of indecency fines and, in particular, bad
> > programming.
>
> Fines or no fines, Howard was profitable for his stations.
> Push the envelope all you want as long as you can bill
> enough to pay the fines and still make some walking around
> money.
We agree on that one.
> > So who cares? Three million subscribers at the moment.
> We
> > will soon find out if he is so much better than anything
> for
> > free to justify the cost. I am sure that there is a good
> > country tune on The Wolf for you. Are they up to song
> 3737
> > yet? Is anyone counting?
>
> I think that a few curious souls will subscribe for the
> opportunity to be able to keep hearing Howard. Then after a
> few months or a year they'll realize that he's doing nothing
> different on satellite and give up and move on with their
> lives. Am I the only one who saw Howards act today as
> nothing more than a goodbye episode? It was like the guy
> was admitting that he was over, that he might as well just
> retire and forget about it.
We agree, on the second part. Howard's act was weak for two weeks. It was a bit tough for me and a lot of listeners in the Seattle area to appreciate twenty years on the air when we had him for just 4 1/2 years. But I do think he has a real shot of doing something special, by combining his radio show with In Demand TV (just $10 monthly on Comcast) and other media ventures. If he really is the King of All Media, he could master his radio show and carry it to several other outlets (T.V., Books, maybe another film). He could even make T.V. watchable again.
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eastsidah
Guest
Re: Who cares?
Don't get me wrong. There are certian parts of Stern that all radio should want to duplicate. He plans every show he does down to the second, knows his audience better than they know themselves...and he certainly is a brilliant self-marketer.
But I think radio can do better. I talk to too many people who are sure that the loss of Stern to Sirius is the end of radio as we know it and they aren't willing to do anything about it other than sit back and watch...personally I was never a fan of the content of Stern's shows. I think there is something seriously wrong in that man's head. But I can't deny that he knows his S**t.
Don't get me wrong. There are certian parts of Stern that all radio should want to duplicate. He plans every show he does down to the second, knows his audience better than they know themselves...and he certainly is a brilliant self-marketer.
But I think radio can do better. I talk to too many people who are sure that the loss of Stern to Sirius is the end of radio as we know it and they aren't willing to do anything about it other than sit back and watch...personally I was never a fan of the content of Stern's shows. I think there is something seriously wrong in that man's head. But I can't deny that he knows his S**t.
M
MegoMan
Guest
Re: Who cares?
> Don't get me wrong. There are certian parts of Stern that
> all radio should want to duplicate. He plans every show he
> does down to the second, knows his audience better than they
> know themselves...and he certainly is a brilliant
> self-marketer.
>
> But I think radio can do better. I talk to too many people
> who are sure that the loss of Stern to Sirius is the end of
> radio as we know it and they aren't willing to do anything
> about it other than sit back and watch...personally I was
> never a fan of the content of Stern's shows. I think there
> is something seriously wrong in that man's head. But I
> can't deny that he knows his S**t.
>
Even Stern himself has admitted that he has certain issues with what's going on in his head. It takes alot of courage to admit things like that, esppecially to an audience of thousands(if not millions).<P ID="signature">______________
"I look out for me and mine."-Capt. Malcom "Mal" Reynolds in Serenity</P>
> Don't get me wrong. There are certian parts of Stern that
> all radio should want to duplicate. He plans every show he
> does down to the second, knows his audience better than they
> know themselves...and he certainly is a brilliant
> self-marketer.
>
> But I think radio can do better. I talk to too many people
> who are sure that the loss of Stern to Sirius is the end of
> radio as we know it and they aren't willing to do anything
> about it other than sit back and watch...personally I was
> never a fan of the content of Stern's shows. I think there
> is something seriously wrong in that man's head. But I
> can't deny that he knows his S**t.
>
Even Stern himself has admitted that he has certain issues with what's going on in his head. It takes alot of courage to admit things like that, esppecially to an audience of thousands(if not millions).<P ID="signature">______________
"I look out for me and mine."-Capt. Malcom "Mal" Reynolds in Serenity</P>
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