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As a tv event, where does Wrestlemania rank?

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I've got:

1. Super Bowl
2. The Oscars
3. The Grammys
4. NCAA Tournament
5. ALL NASCAR NEXTEL CUP RACES
6. The Masters
7. The Emmys
8. World Series
9. Wrestlemania
10. NBA Finals
 
It depends on your perspective. Does "Bud Bowl" count? I'd rate anything WWE somewhere between that and the "Laugh Olympics."


> I've got:
>
> 1. Super Bowl
> 2. The Oscars
> 3. The Grammys
> 4. NCAA Tournament
> 5. ALL NASCAR NEXTEL CUP RACES
> 6. The Masters
> 7. The Emmys
> 8. World Series
> 9. Wrestlemania
> 10. NBA Finals
>
 
> It depends on your perspective. Does "Bud Bowl" count? I'd
> rate anything WWE somewhere between that and the "Laugh
> Olympics."


Why does everyone have to be so negative towards Wrestling?
 
WWE's Wrestlemania events probably hold a significant place in the history of pay-per-view cable/satellite television.

Although the first Wrestlemania in 1985 was available in some areas in theatres and arenas on closed-circuit television, it's been a PPV exclusive ever since, and has (along with major boxing matches) helped to build the PPV industry.
 
Actually, WWE's first pay-per-view foray may have been their "WWF WrestleVision" in the fall of 1985 from the then-Rosemont Horizon outside of Chicago. As for WWE specials on TV, I found a FOX special this afternoon based on matches from "WWF WresltMania XI" in Hartford. The show was held on April 2, 1995 but these highlights aired around September 1995 (there was an ad for "MAD TV" making it's series debut on October 14, 1995). <P ID="signature">______________
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Nowhere.

> I've got:
>
> 1. Super Bowl
> 2. The Oscars
> 3. The Grammys
> 4. NCAA Tournament
> 5. ALL NASCAR NEXTEL CUP RACES
> 6. The Masters
> 7. The Emmys
> 8. World Series
> 9. Wrestlemania
> 10. NBA Finals
>

Nowhere.

Simply put, Wrestlemania isn't remotely a marquee 'TV event' by any stretch. It isn't even shown on basic cable, while everything else you mentioned has clearance on free OTA television.

Sure, it's easily one of (if not 'the') biggest pay-TV events that's regularly scheduled every year. But its not a TV draw that attracts viewers for advertising. Its NOT a TV 'event' in that sense at all.

And that's coming from someone who thinks Edge should still be the champion :-I

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> Actually, WWE's first pay-per-view foray may have been their
> "WWF WrestleVision" in the fall of 1985 from the
> then-Rosemont Horizon outside of Chicago.

Wrestlemania I (3/31/85) WAS seen on pay-per-view. I watched it at a friend's house.
 
> > Actually, WWE's first pay-per-view foray may have been
> their
> > "WWF WrestleVision" in the fall of 1985 from the
> > then-Rosemont Horizon outside of Chicago.
>
> Wrestlemania I (3/31/85) WAS seen on pay-per-view. I watched
> it at a friend's house.
>

Emphasis on "MAY". I think tonight's show wasn't anything special. :(<P ID="signature">______________
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It's NOT wrestling. Wrestling is a sport.

> > It depends on your perspective. Does "Bud Bowl" count? I'd
>
> > rate anything WWE somewhere between that and the "Laugh
> > Olympics."
>
>
> Why does everyone have to be so negative towards Wrestling?
> Re: As a tv event, where does Wrestlemania rank?

I am not negative towardsWrestling. I am negative towards FAKE wrestling, and even more negative towards it being treated like its real. Do you see any networks covering the presidential contest from The West Wing? WWE is a STORY, it is FICTION, it is FAKE. The Wrestlemania story line repeats every year. The outcome is scripted, the moves are planned, the "wrestlers" are actors, performers, and that's it. I can see you ranking it as a TV event like the last episode of MASH, or Cheers (alhought, those were much more pivitol in my view), but as a sporting even in the ranks of the Superbowl? The World Series? Sorry, but that's a different league, a different thing.

WWE is no more real than anything else in ficitional TV. That's not to say people don't get hurt, but that's for an entirely different reason.
 
Well here is the top two/bottom two:

1. Super Bowl
2. March Madness/Final 4

99,999,999. Glendive, MT Emmy Awards
100,000,000. Wrestlemania
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Re: Nowhere.

>
> Nowhere.
>
> Simply put, Wrestlemania isn't remotely a marquee 'TV event'
> by any stretch. It isn't even shown on basic cable, while
> everything else you mentioned has clearance on free OTA
> television.
>
> Sure, it's easily one of (if not 'the') biggest pay-TV
> events that's regularly scheduled every year. But its not a
> TV draw that attracts viewers for advertising. Its NOT a TV
> 'event' in that sense at all.
>
> And that's coming from someone who thinks Edge should still
> be the champion :-I
>

Right. As a life long rasslin' fan, I agree that there is nothing special about Wrestlemania versus the other ppv's that are held year round.
A real Wrestlemania would be if all promotions would set aside all legal restrictions for that one day and have a real inter promotion show. Much like the AWA Superclash of Champions in the 80's which headlined AWA champ Jerry Lawler vs. WCCW champ Kerry Von Erich.
The same match on Wrestlemania is the same match you'll see on RAW, the same you'll see on Smackdown, on No Way Out, on Royal Rumble, and so on.
Wrestlemania is strictly about hype. It will always find it's strongest numbers among people who believe the world of pro wrestling revolves around the WWE and Triple H.
T.v event? Not by a longshot.
 
> I've got:
>
> 1. Super Bowl
> 2. The Oscars
> 3. The Grammys
> 4. NCAA Tournament
> 5. ALL NASCAR NEXTEL CUP RACES
> 6. The Masters
> 7. The Emmys
> 8. World Series
> 9. Wrestlemania
> 10. NBA Finals
>

You would need to put it in a different list aws the other events are on free TV. Wrestlemania is pay per view so that is entirely different. It is the biggest pay per view of the year and generates a great deal of the annual PPV revenue.
 
> > It depends on your perspective. Does "Bud Bowl" count? I'd
>
> > rate anything WWE somewhere between that and the "Laugh
> > Olympics."
>
>
> Why does everyone have to be so negative towards Wrestling?
>

I'm not negative towards wrestling. The problem is that WWE has become (in the words of Dave Meltzer) "a vanity project." The scripts are written to appeal to Vince McMahon and his family, not the paying audience.

I'm negative towards WWE because that is the reaction WWE has earned.

And yes, Edge should still be champ. :)
 
Re: Nowhere.

> >
>
> Right. As a life long rasslin' fan, I agree that there is
> nothing special about Wrestlemania versus the other ppv's
> that are held year round.


Thats because, at its height, the WWE/F had only a handful of PPVs.

It was the first of its kind to be successful nationwide. The NWA had run "Starrcade" out of a couple of Southern arenas to "closed circuit" theatres. They may have been first, but Vince left em in the dust.


> A real Wrestlemania would be if all promotions would set
> aside all legal restrictions for that one day and have a
> real inter promotion show. Much like the AWA Superclash of
> Champions in the 80's which headlined AWA champ Jerry Lawler
> vs. WCCW champ Kerry Von Erich.

Lol. What a disaster that was. Von Erich forgets he has a razor blade on his finger..scratches his bicep before the match and rips open a multi stich cut. He loses so much blood and hes so drugged out, he can't continue, even with a Iron Claw on the King.

Manny Fernandez and Wahoo McDaniel bled so much in their match before hand, they had to clean the ring. That match was so gruesome, its not been seen on TV since.....

Some of the wrestlers...including all the Guerreros, reportedly didnt get paid thanks to the bickering between the AWA's Verne Gagne and WCCW's Frank Dusek.

Nice idea in thought...but a bloody bad one in practice.
 
Re: Nowhere.

studiotwenty said:
The NWA had run "Starrcade" out of a couple of Southern arenas to "closed circuit" theatres. They may have been first, but Vince left em in the dust.
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The first Starrcades were on closed-circuit TV, and they were about to head into the 1987 event, which would be their first on pay-per-view nationwide.

But guess who was about to crash the NWA's party? VINCE MCMAHON!!!! Still hot off the heels of Wrestlemania III, he created the Survivor Series and scheduled it opposite Starrcade '87. Cable providers ultimately chose to carry that instead of Starrcade, which was a HUGE blow to the NWA (and which probably led to the sale of Jim Crockett Promotions to Ted Turner).
 
I quit watching wrestling years ago, but I think that for any attention
to be focused on the quasi-sport there has to be somebody who somehow
manages to become a household word nationally and I can think of exactly
two: Gorgeous George in the '50s and Hulk Hogan in the '80s.
 
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