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As the Earth Turns.

So to continue this way off topic diversion, how did Los Angeles become to be pronounced Las Angeles?
 
So to continue this way off topic diversion, how did Los Angeles become to be pronounced Las Angeles?

Hasn't that always been the accepted gringo pronunciation? In Spanish, "Los" should have a long "O" sound, but I grew up there decades ago, and it was always pronounced the same as "Las Vegas." In fact, people of my father's generation (fought in WW2) often pronounced Angeles with a hard G - like the English word "angle"...sounded like "Las Angle-us."

Americans have always murdered Spanish. The one that used to bug me the most when I lived there was "Lah Pewenny" (La Puente) and "San Peedro"....though "San Paydro" is just as wrong.

Up here in the Bay Area, the Silicon Valley is headquartered in "Sanazay" (San Jose), and there is the suburb of "Sallyandro" (San Leandro). People up here refer to the '89 Earthquake as the "Loma Pre-ayta" earthquake (Loma Prieta). Drives me nuts, and I'm not Latino, and my Spanish sucks.
 
Hasn't that always been the accepted gringo pronunciation? In Spanish, "Los" should have a long "O" sound, but I grew up there decades ago, and it was always pronounced the same as "Las Vegas." In fact, people of my father's generation (fought in WW2) often pronounced Angeles with a hard G - like the English word "angle"...sounded like "Las Angle-us."

Here in Connecticut, it's "Lawss Anjul-us" and "Lahss Vay-gus." In Boston and environs, the final vowel sound become more of a short i: Lawss Anjul-iss, Lahss Vay-giss. Jerry Remy, who does TV for the Red Sox, calls the Detroit baseball team the "Ty-gizz."
 
So to continue this way off topic diversion, how did Los Angeles become to be pronounced Las Angeles?

That's sort of like wondering why "Miami" in Florida ends with an "ee" sound and in Oklahoma it is "My-aahm-uh" instead.

In truth, its the following:

"Law of Hobson-Jobson" The rule that words or phrases borrowed between languages will be modified in their pronunciation as necessary to conform to the set of sounds used by the borrowing language.
 


That's sort of like wondering why "Miami" in Florida ends with an "ee" sound and in Oklahoma it is "My-aahm-uh" instead.

In truth, its the following:

"Law of Hobson-Jobson" The rule that words or phrases borrowed between languages will be modified in their pronunciation as necessary to conform to the set of sounds used by the borrowing language.

And just for convenience. I know people from Louisville, KY. They pronounce it "Louvull."
 
And just for convenience. I know people from Louisville, KY. They pronounce it "Louvull."

And I know folks from Nor'lins.

That's a city in Loozeeana, of course.

And long ago before the desert city was big and well known, I was accused of living in Fow-enn-iks.
 
Thank goodness you didn't use Norfolk!

Or Fuquay, North Carolina (Now Fuquay-Varnia).

It is interesting to hear news reporters dealing with non-intuitive pronunciations. The most common I can think of is Spokane, WA. It ain't "Spoh-cain".

Then there is the pronunciation of anything in New England ending in "cester" or "chester".

We used to have pronunciation guides in the newsroom. Now, anyone who wants can get an audio pronunciation online... but few seem to care.
 
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So to continue this way off topic diversion, how did Los Angeles become to be pronounced Las Angeles?

I've heard it pronounced several different ways but not that way.

We've got a long time anchor here in the Valley that still cannot pronounce "Arizona" the proper way.
 


Or Fuquay, North Carolina (Now Fuquay-Varnia).

It is interesting to hear news reporters dealing with non-intuitive pronunciations. The most common I can think of is Spokane, WA. It ain't "Spow-cain".

Then there is the pronunciation of anything in New England ending in "cester" or "chester".

We used to have pronunciation guides in the newsroom. Now, anyone who wants can get an audio pronunciation online... but few seem to care.

Worcester and Leicester, Massachusetts, are pronounced the same way they are in the English cities they were named after. The "ce" is silent. (And in Leicester, the "ei" is a short "e," but that's another matter.) All the -chester places (Manchester, Dorchester, Winchester, etc) are also pronounced the way the English pronounce them. Conversely, the -ham suffix is pronounced the English way as "um" in Hingham and Dedham, "ham" in Framingham, and "am" in Waltham (wall-tham, not wall-thum or walt-ham). Stoughton is "stoe-ton" and Haverhill is "hay-ver-'ll" -- not "stuff-ton" or "hav-er-hill," as I've heard outsiders pronounce them on Boston TV over the years.
 
Years ago at the Buckeye Media Hut a student was practicing his rip 'n read skills. When it came to pronouncing Gila Bend, he said "Gill-ah Bend". Naturally we gave him an A on the assignment as it broke up all the instructors and fellow students.
 
It's interesting, CTListener, that, in your state, Greenwich is pronounced "GREN·ich," yet Norwich is pronounced "NOR·wich."
 
And let's not even start talking about "Chebby" or "Shivey".

I remember a charity raffle in one market I was in where they held a drawing for a "Bweek" automobile.
 
Years ago at the Buckeye Media Hut a student was practicing his rip 'n read skills. When it came to pronouncing Gila Bend, he said "Gill-ah Bend". Naturally we gave him an A on the assignment as it broke up all the instructors and fellow students.

Was that the same student who said "Toll (sounds like "Troll")-uh-sun" for that place near Buckeye?
 


Was that the same student who said "Toll (sounds like "Troll")-uh-sun" for that place near Buckeye?

hmmmm...think that was some guy who used to hang in Presskit. I believe he now lives in Waxahachie, Tx
 
hmmmm...think that was some guy who used to hang in Presskit. I believe he now lives in Waxahachie, Tx

That would be different from the Brazilian Waxahachie.
 


That would be different from the Brazilian Waxahachie.

...and even more different than a Brazilian Wax. YIKES!

Oh well, the Nurse and I will just have to be content with knowing Fort Huachuca is but a three hour trip away in the Gremlin.
 
It's interesting, CTListener, that, in your state, Greenwich is pronounced "GREN·ich," yet Norwich is pronounced "NOR·wich."

Even more interesting is that in neighboring New York, Greenwich Village, a section of Manhattan, is pronounced "GREN-ich," while Greenwich, a small town in the Albany area, is pronounced "GREEN-wich."
 
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