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At-Home Production

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Here's the scenario...you have a home computer and no money but someone is making you an offer to produce their talk radio show. They want to get into the game and I need to make a demo to shop around or have it set up so that we can podcast. They don't care about being corporate (right now). They just want to get started. What is the cheapest way to do this? I'm a production girl with skills who got out of the game when it got too political and greedy but love the work. Can I get away with Audition for basic production? Any advice given would be appreciated.
 
You can get away with Audition for serious production...Anyone who tells you otherwise has no concept of digital audio production. For basic production, check into Audacity (free) or Goldwave.
 
audition is good for BASIC productioin... yes... it will work for putting together a high quality demo.




[stepping up on my soap box....]


as far as the snarky comment about "getting away with audition" for "serious production"


I would never do a serious production on something that I can "get away with" ... anyone who has the slightest concept of digital audio production knows that you can actually put together a professional demo with any number of freeware programs.. goldwave being one of them.

but.... the question comes down to efficiency, and uncompromised sound quality... your going to have to put a little cash into your rig. . . and learn how to make it sing.....

[stepping down]
 
I'd have to say that Adobe Audition will do alot more than let you "get by" or "get away" with quality production. I have Adobe Audition 2.0 at home and find it amazing. It's easy to use and has every effect processor I need.
Your finished product on production is only as good as you source material. The old "crap in- crap out" rule applies! If you're doing voice over, then you need a good mic and mic pre to begin with. Adobe Audition can take that and do whatever you need to get to the finished product. Including 5.1 surround sound! There's nothing "cheap sounding" about Adobe Audition. Are there better programs? Yep. Do they cost less? NOPE. That's my 2 cents. Good luck!
 
I've been using Adobe 1.5 here at home along with my Radio Shack mixer and my Shure SM58 mic for about a year and a half. Quite honestly, the quality is just as good as the stuff I cut in the prod room at work.
 
I've used Adobe Audition 1.5 for over a year (I upgraded from the Cool Edit 2000 Multi-Track version). It is a very intuitive program to learn and I've been extremely happy with it's performance. As someone else mentioned, you have to worry about garbage in - garbage out. Invest in a good quality microphone and Pre-amp/Processor and sound card. I'm probably at the low end of the scale there with a Behringer B-1 Condensor Mic, a dbx 286A Mic Preamp/processor and a Soundblaster Live 5.1 sound card.

The only performance issues I've had are with my computer which is aging anyway and needs to be replaced as soon as I can afford to do that.

Emmett is someone who I know from another board and I respect his opinions on equipment. I think he could be persuaded to make some recommendations about sound card/mic/pre-amp combos.

Dave
 
Dave, you don't have to twist my arm! ;)

As far as the software, comfort goes a long way. Right now, I'm sort of displeased with Audition 2.0. There are no major problems, just a bunch of little ones that add up to something that is less-than-perfect. I have no doubt, though, that the next release will bring the program to the level that it should be. I've been very happy with Audition 1.5 and I think 2.0 has some outstanding professional features that 1.5 was lacking. But 2.0 forgot about some of the simple, basic functions that made 1.5 (and previous versions) so good.

If you're used to Pro Tools and like it, look into the Mbox, which comes with PTLE. The combination will run you about $400 (I think), and then you won't have to buy a soundcard. It's no secret that I don't care for Pro Tools. But the PTLE/Mbox bundle is a good all-in-one solution for someone who likes the GUI and its operations.

Sony Vegas is another popular option. Again, I've never liked it much. But I know several people who swear by it and wouldn't use anything else.

The software choice is a very personal one. There are many options on the market; and for every option, you can find a handful of REALLY talented people that swear their software choice is the best. Try as many demos as you can and choose which one makes you feel comfortable. There's nothing worse than trying to work with software that doesn't function the way you think it should.

Hardware is much the same. In general, you "get what you pay for" much more with hardware than software, however. If you're purchasing a mic that only YOU will be using, you can usually get by spending less and get great results. If a variety of people and voices will use the mic, you're better off to spend the extra money and get a proven performer. At home, I use the Audio-Technica AT4040, which goes for about $300. At work, I use a Neumann TLM103, which sells for closer to $1000. For my voice, I prefer the Audio-Technica...It has a frequency response that matches my voice exceptionally well. But at work, the Neumann is a much better choice because it sounds good on everyone, not just me.

Most of the time, a large diaphragm condenser will sound better than a dynamic. The exception comes if you'll be working in a noisy environment, since dynamics are much less sensitive to background noise.

I generally encourage people to steer clear of the "budget brands". Go for something with a solid name, like Shure, AKG, Neumann, Sennheiser, Audio-Technica, R0DE, etc. I'm not saying that you can't get acceptable results from brands like MXL, Behringer, Studio Projects, SE Electronics, Nady, etc.; you certainly CAN. But it can be a crapshoot. With hardware, when you pay for a quality name, you can be pretty sure that you're getting a quality product. But again, my opinion. I've heard MXL mics that sound great and AKGs that sound horrible. The best thing you can do is try some out at a local retailer.

As far as preamps, the pre can make as much difference to the quality as the mic itself. Get a good one. There are many to choose from.

For processors, any processor is only as good as the settings you give it. DiamondDave63 mentioned the dbx 286A, which is a fine product. It's also very easy to get a good sound, especially for less "technically oriented" people. I would rather have a processor with more options to work with so I can really dial-in the sound I want. But if you don't know what you're looking at, you'd be better off with something simple, like the 286A or Symetrix 528E, which is probably the most popular mic processor in radio. All the processing options in the world are useless if they're not set properly.

If you opt for the soundcard option, there are plenty of choices out there. Three great choices at the bottom of the price scale are the E-mu 0404, M-Audio Audiophile 2496 and the Echo MiaMIDI.

And don't forget about good monitors. Also very personal. My monitor of choice is the Tannoy Reveal 6. A guy I work with despises the Tannoys, but loves the old Yamaha NSM10, which I hate. Listen and pick your favorite.

Finally, don't forget about some sort of room treatment. You don't have to spend much to make a big improvement.

Emmett
 
Emmett said:
If you're used to Pro Tools and like it, look into the Mbox, which comes with PTLE. The combination will run you about $400 (I think), and then you won't have to buy a soundcard. It's no secret that I don't care for Pro Tools. But the PTLE/Mbox bundle is a good all-in-one solution for someone who likes the GUI and its operations.

I would recommend searching around for an original Mbox - there are three Mboxes now: 1, 2 and PRO. From everything I've heard, the preamps in Mbox 2 aren't as good as the ones in Mbox 1. We're not talking top of the line here either way, but I'd try to get the better of the two. I haven't really heard much buzz on Mbox PRO yet, since it was just released recently.

BTW, even though I'm partial to Pro Tools LE, I'd say that you can easily do what you want with Audition/Cool Edit if you know it well.

Emmett said:
I generally encourage people to steer clear of the "budget brands". Go for something with a solid name, like Shure, AKG, Neumann, Sennheiser, Audio-Technica, R0DE, etc. I'm not saying that you can't get acceptable results from brands like MXL, Behringer, Studio Projects, SE Electronics, Nady, etc.; you certainly CAN. But it can be a crapshoot.

I just auditioned an MXL V69 ME this weekend, and it's probably one of the best $300 condensor mics out there. It's a tube mic with a tube sound (ballsy with good resolution) and a nice unhyped high end. Sounds kinda like a U87 - a real U87 that is, not the U87ai that's made by Sennheiser.
 
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