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Atlanta Am station on Ebay...

Re: Atlanta??

> Now is the chance of a lifetime, I think... to own the radio
> station of your dreams... come on $750,000.00 it's a
> bargain?
>
> Rfry, maybe you could pick this up and REALLY show us how
> it's done! :)
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/Atlanta-Metro-AM-Radio-Sta> tion_W0QQitemZ4419385241QQcategoryZ15825QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
>
> Radiopilot
>
Well...it's in Georgia, at least.

PTR
 
How many bears and racoons does it cover

We spoke about this on the site. If you look at radio-locator.com It will you show the projected signal of this station. It does cover area but can one survive let alone get a profit. One guy wants me to buy a 1k station out west for 15k. It does cover a few small towns. But it is not worth it, as I see it now. Unfortuantely good buys are snatched up quickly. One station I have been thinking about is in Florida. Now I have a friend is doing building in the area. I knew area is heading for great expansion. The station covers it well. But I go back to thinking to being happy with super part 15 and my weekly broadcasts on a 50k station. Always talk to people who are in the business that you can trust before hand.
 
Re: How many bears and racoons does it cover

> We spoke about this on the site. If you look at
> radio-locator.com It will you show the projected signal of
> this station. It does cover area but can one survive let
> alone get a profit. One guy wants me to buy a 1k station out
> west for 15k. It does cover a few small towns. But it is not
> worth it, as I see it now. Unfortuantely good buys are
> snatched up quickly. One station I have been thinking about
> is in Florida. Now I have a friend is doing building in the
> area. I knew area is heading for great expansion. The
> station covers it well. But I go back to thinking to being
> happy with super part 15 and my weekly broadcasts on a 50k
> station. Always talk to people who are in the business that
> you can trust before hand.
>

simcha,

I may have commented on this earlier, but don't remember...

The Florida station sounds good, I'll be doing some consulting work there in Naples area come the beginning of the new year, I will look around for any potential radio station bargains, my area is just congested, not that Florida is wide open either, it's worst there than here.

Part15 has it's advantages, very little overhead, I'm running AM and FM here and the cost is minor, just donuts/Mcdonalds for the student dj's but that's fine.

I thought getting a LPFM earlier was the ticket, but no luck here.
Trust... very hard to come by in this business, if I were to buy a real station, I'd do my homework first and not 'jump' into it and regret the finances later....

If the above station in Atlanta was profitable, doesn't look it, just the website alone scares me, where are the sponsor ads, the ad spaces, web streaming, caller lines, etc.?

Radiopilot
 
Re: Atlanta??

> > Now is the chance of a lifetime, I think... to own the
> radio
> > station of your dreams... come on $750,000.00 it's a
> > bargain?
> >
> > Rfry, maybe you could pick this up and REALLY show us how
> > it's done! :)
> >
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Atlanta-Metro-AM-Radio-Sta>
> tion_W0QQitemZ4419385241QQcategoryZ15825QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
> >
> >
> > Radiopilot
> >
> Well...it's in Georgia, at least.
>
> PTR
>
You can't pick it up anywhere in Atlanta proper. 1480 WYZE (which simulcast with WYYZ at one point in time, but not any longer) bleeds over and kills it.
 
Re: How many bears and racoons does it cover

> If the above station in Atlanta was profitable, doesn't look
> it, just the website alone scares me, where are the sponsor
> ads, the ad spaces, web streaming, caller lines, etc.?
>
> Radiopilot
>
For a market like Jasper, you may be asking the wrong questions.
 
Re: How many bears and racoons does it cover

> > If the above station in Atlanta was profitable, doesn't
> look
> > it, just the website alone scares me, where are the
> sponsor
> > ads, the ad spaces, web streaming, caller lines, etc.?
> >
> > Radiopilot
> >
> For a market like Jasper, you may be asking the wrong
> questions.
>


Tha station is about 1 hour north of Atlanta and in the boonies... it's a Class C station with 1kW of power, not even rated in M/Street/10000Watts...

I don't think it'll have alot of takers, infact it'll probably be absorbed by a giant or go silent if they are continuing to lose money... do the homework first and it'll save you alot of grief!

Radiopilot
 
Re: How many bears and racoons does it cover

> > We spoke about this on the site. If you look at
> > radio-locator.com It will you show the projected signal of
>
> > this station. It does cover area but can one survive let
> > alone get a profit. One guy wants me to buy a 1k station
> out
> > west for 15k. It does cover a few small towns. But it is
> not
> > worth it, as I see it now. Unfortuantely good buys are
> > snatched up quickly. One station I have been thinking
> about
> > is in Florida. Now I have a friend is doing building in
> the
> > area. I knew area is heading for great expansion. The
> > station covers it well. But I go back to thinking to being
>
> > happy with super part 15 and my weekly broadcasts on a 50k
>
> > station. Always talk to people who are in the business
> that
> > you can trust before hand.
> >
>
> simcha,
>
> I may have commented on this earlier, but don't remember...
>
> The Florida station sounds good, I'll be doing some
> consulting work there in Naples area come the beginning of
> the new year, I will look around for any potential radio
> station bargains, my area is just congested, not that
> Florida is wide open either, it's worst there than here.
>
> Part15 has it's advantages, very little overhead, I'm
> running AM and FM here and the cost is minor, just
> donuts/Mcdonalds for the student dj's but that's fine.
>
> I thought getting a LPFM earlier was the ticket, but no luck
> here.
> Trust... very hard to come by in this business, if I were to
> buy a real station, I'd do my homework first and not 'jump'
> into it and regret the finances later....
>
> If the above station in Atlanta was profitable, doesn't look
> it, just the website alone scares me, where are the sponsor
> ads, the ad spaces, web streaming, caller lines, etc.?
>
> Radiopilot

There are some good stations available in the Naples area.
I remember in 1985 a radio station owner telling me how much he had to pay every month to the record licensing companies. It was alot just for that. You also need to have a lawyer available, because something legal is always happening to stations. Billing in the radio business is like running a circus. It has a fly by night spirit. People advertise then they dont pay. In comes a collection agencey, out goes more of your grocery money. It is a big headache. I have not met a happy radio station owner, they always look like they need a tums or valium. Although there was one funny owner I met in the eighties here in Florida. A man named Hooper used to own a station here called WAVS. Nice older man who had a propensity of smashing up his Jaguar. The way he told me the stories would crack me up, like he just didnt know how it happened. I guess such a guy could run a station and it doesnt bother him just like it didnt bother him when his car got smashed. I also remember him telling me that he got a whole load of complaints because our signal in Miami was coming into the Walkie Talkies of the Mass. Railroad police. What happend some hungry red ants in the everglades chomped on the transmitter antenna setup.

A station that appears to not be making money can be the best deal. People who have a plan to take something over and improve on it is the key to sucessful business. Often those buy stocks look for a good prediction on a stock that has just lost alot as a time to buy. Because it soons pops up. This works if you have a potential audience then can then support the purchase price. If they priceing it on potential it is not a good buy and will grow old on the market. However it is priced on what they are doing and it isnt so good then it can be a buy if the other things are also in place.
 
Here are some healthy looking stations for sale in that area

Operating Station Honolulu, HI Asking $1,200,000 will close at $950K Cash.
5000 watts of Brokered time programming from center of the major metropolitan Honolulu area for decades. Call Dave 727-424-4991.

MOBILE, ALABAMA... 10,000 watts day 500 watts night. New CP that is near a grant from the FCC. New owner must build station from the CP. 1550 on the dail, has land for tower site. Applicant want to sell CP with option to buy. Price is $100,000. Will be a great facility when on the air. Will cover all of Mobile and Gulf coast area.
Call Ted Gray at (336) 570-9133 for more details.

ATLANTA, GEORGIA... 5KW AM station covers the complete Atlanta Market and has all up to date equipment — great coverage. Asking $3.5 million cash, buyer to pay broker commission.
Call Ted Gray at (336) 570-9133for more details

SOUTH CAROLINA...MEDIUM MARKET...FULL TIME AM...1000 WATTS DAY AND 85 WATTS NIGHT. Station comes with very nice equipment...new tower...leased studios and tower site...doing a talk and sports format...owner wants to retire...asking $350,000 on terms...or will consider all offers.
Call Ted Gray at (336) 570-9133for more details or email.

ONE OF SOUTH CAROLINA'S GREAT RADIO MARKETS... Fulltime...AM...comes with tower site and studio building...doing great business...has good equipment...asking $625,000 cash...
Call Ted Gray at (336) 570-9133or email for more details.
 
Re: How many bears and racoons does it cover

> There are some good stations available in the Naples area.
> I remember in 1985 a radio station owner telling me how much
> he had to pay every month to the record licensing companies.
> It was alot just for that. You also need to have a lawyer
> available, because something legal is always happening to
> stations. Billing in the radio business is like running a
> circus. It has a fly by night spirit. People advertise then
> they dont pay. In comes a collection agencey, out goes more
> of your grocery money. It is a big headache. I have not met
> a happy radio station owner, they always look like they need
> a tums or valium. Although there was one funny owner I met
> in the eighties here in Florida. A man named Hooper used to
> own a station here called WAVS. Nice older man who had a
> propensity of smashing up his Jaguar. The way he told me the
> stories would crack me up, like he just didnt know how it
> happened. I guess such a guy could run a station and it
> doesnt bother him just like it didnt bother him when his car
> got smashed. I also remember him telling me that he got a
> whole load of complaints because our signal in Miami was
> coming into the Walkie Talkies of the Mass. Railroad police.
> What happend some hungry red ants in the everglades chomped
> on the transmitter antenna setup.
>
> A station that appears to not be making money can be the
> best deal. People who have a plan to take something over and
> improve on it is the key to sucessful business. Often those
> buy stocks look for a good prediction on a stock that has
> just lost alot as a time to buy. Because it soons pops up.
> This works if you have a potential audience then can then
> support the purchase price. If they priceing it on potential
> it is not a good buy and will grow old on the market.
> However it is priced on what they are doing and it isnt so
> good then it can be a buy if the other things are also in
> place.
>


You are absolutely right, but in the above situation, this Atlanta station is way over priced, in fact it's not even in the Atlanta market, to me from what I see in the photogrpahs and the FCC forms for that station, it's worth no more than $150,000.... and that is if the land and building is part of the sale, otherwise beware the buyer of this station.

Anyone wanting to buy a 'real station' have better have the wits and the humor to go along otherwise as you say, you'll be taken for a ride...

For me I'd like a commercial station, I believe I can make it work, but if it happens to be non-commercial, it'll be much more fun as you don't have the headaches of advertisement to screw up the station or it's programming, you don't have the 'salespeople' dribble, etc., you get the point....

If the station if funded correctly, I don't see why it couldn't be run efficently, but maybe that's me... other's probably have horror stories and a bridge to sell me.

Radiopilot
 
Re: Here are some healthy looking stations for sale in that area

> Operating Station Honolulu, HI Asking $1,200,000 will close
> at $950K Cash.
> 5000 watts of Brokered time programming from center of the
> major metropolitan Honolulu area for decades. Call Dave
> 727-424-4991.
>
> MOBILE, ALABAMA... 10,000 watts day 500 watts night. New CP
> that is near a grant from the FCC. New owner must build
> station from the CP. 1550 on the dail, has land for tower
> site. Applicant want to sell CP with option to buy. Price is
> $100,000. Will be a great facility when on the air. Will
> cover all of Mobile and Gulf coast area.
> Call Ted Gray at (336) 570-9133 for more details.
>
> ATLANTA, GEORGIA... 5KW AM station covers the complete
> Atlanta Market and has all up to date equipment — great
> coverage. Asking $3.5 million cash, buyer to pay broker
> commission.
> Call Ted Gray at (336) 570-9133for more details
>
> SOUTH CAROLINA...MEDIUM MARKET...FULL TIME AM...1000 WATTS
> DAY AND 85 WATTS NIGHT. Station comes with very nice
> equipment...new tower...leased studios and tower
> site...doing a talk and sports format...owner wants to
> retire...asking $350,000 on terms...or will consider all
> offers.
> Call Ted Gray at (336) 570-9133for more details or email.
>
> ONE OF SOUTH CAROLINA'S GREAT RADIO MARKETS...
> Fulltime...AM...comes with tower site and studio
> building...doing great business...has good
> equipment...asking $625,000 cash...
> Call Ted Gray at (336) 570-9133or email for more details.
>
LOL..If anyone here had that kind of money to buy a station, we probably wouldn't be doing part 15!

These prices reflect the primary reason I've had to give up the dream of a licensed station..it's beyond the reach of the average American.

If you have the bucks, there are stations available.

The station on ebay is WAY overpriced for its 1 kw signal that is NOT in metro Atlanta as mentioned above. I think 150k, like radiopilot said, is more
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Re: Here are some healthy looking stations for sale in that area

> > Operating Station Honolulu, HI Asking $1,200,000 will
> close
> > at $950K Cash.
> > 5000 watts of Brokered time programming from center of the
>
> > major metropolitan Honolulu area for decades. Call Dave
> > 727-424-4991.
> >
> > MOBILE, ALABAMA... 10,000 watts day 500 watts night. New
> CP
> > that is near a grant from the FCC. New owner must build
> > station from the CP. 1550 on the dail, has land for tower
> > site. Applicant want to sell CP with option to buy. Price
> is
> > $100,000. Will be a great facility when on the air. Will
> > cover all of Mobile and Gulf coast area.
> > Call Ted Gray at (336) 570-9133 for more details.
> >
> > ATLANTA, GEORGIA... 5KW AM station covers the complete
> > Atlanta Market and has all up to date equipment — great
> > coverage. Asking $3.5 million cash, buyer to pay broker
> > commission.
> > Call Ted Gray at (336) 570-9133for more details
> >
> > SOUTH CAROLINA...MEDIUM MARKET...FULL TIME AM...1000 WATTS
>
> > DAY AND 85 WATTS NIGHT. Station comes with very nice
> > equipment...new tower...leased studios and tower
> > site...doing a talk and sports format...owner wants to
> > retire...asking $350,000 on terms...or will consider all
> > offers.
> > Call Ted Gray at (336) 570-9133for more details or email.
>
> >
> > ONE OF SOUTH CAROLINA'S GREAT RADIO MARKETS...
> > Fulltime...AM...comes with tower site and studio
> > building...doing great business...has good
> > equipment...asking $625,000 cash...
> > Call Ted Gray at (336) 570-9133or email for more details.
> >
> LOL..If anyone here had that kind of money to buy a station,
> we probably wouldn't be doing part 15!
>
> These prices reflect the primary reason I've had to give up
> the dream of a licensed station..it's beyond the reach of
> the average American.
>
> If you have the bucks, there are stations available.
>
> The station on ebay is WAY overpriced for its 1 kw signal
> that is NOT in metro Atlanta as mentioned above. I think
> 150k, like radiopilot said, is more
> realistic.
>

Of course, if the station came with land or a building then some of these prices wouldn't be too bad, especially if that land included the antenna site. As we all know, an AM tower usually takes up a lot of land and local ordinances along with the NIMBY attitude of residents can make new tower construction extremely difficult.

But I did have to laugh at one AM station for sale in Oklahoma. The owners wanted 400K and proudly advertised that the station's yearly billing was over 100K. I don't know what their overhead was or what the cost of living is for the area, but I would think that at 100K per year the station was operating in the red.

db
 
Re: Here are some healthy looking stations for sale in that area

> > > Operating Station Honolulu, HI Asking $1,200,000 will
> > close
> > > at $950K Cash.
> > > 5000 watts of Brokered time programming from center of
> the
> >
> > > major metropolitan Honolulu area for decades. Call Dave
> > > 727-424-4991.
> > >
> > > MOBILE, ALABAMA... 10,000 watts day 500 watts night. New
>
> > CP
> > > that is near a grant from the FCC. New owner must build
> > > station from the CP. 1550 on the dail, has land for
> tower
> > > site. Applicant want to sell CP with option to buy.
> Price
> > is
> > > $100,000. Will be a great facility when on the air. Will
>
> > > cover all of Mobile and Gulf coast area.
> > > Call Ted Gray at (336) 570-9133 for more details.
> > >
> > > ATLANTA, GEORGIA... 5KW AM station covers the complete
> > > Atlanta Market and has all up to date equipment — great
> > > coverage. Asking $3.5 million cash, buyer to pay broker
> > > commission.
> > > Call Ted Gray at (336) 570-9133for more details
> > >
> > > SOUTH CAROLINA...MEDIUM MARKET...FULL TIME AM...1000
> WATTS
> >
> > > DAY AND 85 WATTS NIGHT. Station comes with very nice
> > > equipment...new tower...leased studios and tower
> > > site...doing a talk and sports format...owner wants to
> > > retire...asking $350,000 on terms...or will consider all
>
> > > offers.
> > > Call Ted Gray at (336) 570-9133for more details or
> email.
> >
> > >
> > > ONE OF SOUTH CAROLINA'S GREAT RADIO MARKETS...
> > > Fulltime...AM...comes with tower site and studio
> > > building...doing great business...has good
> > > equipment...asking $625,000 cash...
> > > Call Ted Gray at (336) 570-9133or email for more
> details.
> > >
> > LOL..If anyone here had that kind of money to buy a
> station,
> > we probably wouldn't be doing part 15!
> >
> > These prices reflect the primary reason I've had to give
> up
> > the dream of a licensed station..it's beyond the reach of
> > the average American.
> >
> > If you have the bucks, there are stations available.
> >
> > The station on ebay is WAY overpriced for its 1 kw signal
> > that is NOT in metro Atlanta as mentioned above. I think
> > 150k, like radiopilot said, is more
> > realistic.
> >
>
> Of course, if the station came with land or a building then
> some of these prices wouldn't be too bad, especially if that
> land included the antenna site. As we all know, an AM tower
> usually takes up a lot of land and local ordinances along
> with the NIMBY attitude of residents can make new tower
> construction extremely difficult.
>
> But I did have to laugh at one AM station for sale in
> Oklahoma. The owners wanted 400K and proudly advertised that
> the station's yearly billing was over 100K. I don't know
> what their overhead was or what the cost of living is for
> the area, but I would think that at 100K per year the
> station was operating in the red.
>
> db
>

Billing is income from ad revenue
100k income for a station selling for 400k
is not bad....
 
Re: Here are some healthy looking stations for sale in that area

> > > > Operating Station Honolulu, HI Asking $1,200,000 will
> > > close
> > > > at $950K Cash.
> > > > 5000 watts of Brokered time programming from center of
>
> > the
> > >
> > > > major metropolitan Honolulu area for decades. Call
> Dave
> > > > 727-424-4991.
> > > >
> > > > MOBILE, ALABAMA... 10,000 watts day 500 watts night.
> New
> >
> > > CP
> > > > that is near a grant from the FCC. New owner must
> build
> > > > station from the CP. 1550 on the dail, has land for
> > tower
> > > > site. Applicant want to sell CP with option to buy.
> > Price
> > > is
> > > > $100,000. Will be a great facility when on the air.
> Will
> >
> > > > cover all of Mobile and Gulf coast area.
> > > > Call Ted Gray at (336) 570-9133 for more details.
> > > >
> > > > ATLANTA, GEORGIA... 5KW AM station covers the complete
>
> > > > Atlanta Market and has all up to date equipment —
> great
> > > > coverage. Asking $3.5 million cash, buyer to pay
> broker
> > > > commission.
> > > > Call Ted Gray at (336) 570-9133for more details
> > > >
> > > > SOUTH CAROLINA...MEDIUM MARKET...FULL TIME AM...1000
> > WATTS
> > >
> > > > DAY AND 85 WATTS NIGHT. Station comes with very nice
> > > > equipment...new tower...leased studios and tower
> > > > site...doing a talk and sports format...owner wants to
>
> > > > retire...asking $350,000 on terms...or will consider
> all
> >
> > > > offers.
> > > > Call Ted Gray at (336) 570-9133for more details or
> > email.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > ONE OF SOUTH CAROLINA'S GREAT RADIO MARKETS...
> > > > Fulltime...AM...comes with tower site and studio
> > > > building...doing great business...has good
> > > > equipment...asking $625,000 cash...
> > > > Call Ted Gray at (336) 570-9133or email for more
> > details.
> > > >
> > > LOL..If anyone here had that kind of money to buy a
> > station,
> > > we probably wouldn't be doing part 15!
> > >
> > > These prices reflect the primary reason I've had to give
>
> > up
> > > the dream of a licensed station..it's beyond the reach
> of
> > > the average American.
> > >
> > > If you have the bucks, there are stations available.
> > >
> > > The station on ebay is WAY overpriced for its 1 kw
> signal
> > > that is NOT in metro Atlanta as mentioned above. I think
>
> > > 150k, like radiopilot said, is more
> > > realistic.
> > >
> >
> > Of course, if the station came with land or a building
> then
> > some of these prices wouldn't be too bad, especially if
> that
> > land included the antenna site. As we all know, an AM
> tower
> > usually takes up a lot of land and local ordinances along
> > with the NIMBY attitude of residents can make new tower
> > construction extremely difficult.
> >
> > But I did have to laugh at one AM station for sale in
> > Oklahoma. The owners wanted 400K and proudly advertised
> that
> > the station's yearly billing was over 100K. I don't know
> > what their overhead was or what the cost of living is for
> > the area, but I would think that at 100K per year the
> > station was operating in the red.
> >
> > db
> >
>
> Billing is income from ad revenue
> 100k income for a station selling for 400k
> is not bad....
>
I assumed they were talking ad revenue. But if they have 6 or 7 employees, as well as taxes, utilities, equipment repairs/upgrades and any satellite subscription or royalty fees to pay for, I don't see how 100K is going to cover it let alone provide a cushion for any future expansion or downturns.

db
 
Re: How many bears and racoons does it cover

>
> Tha station is about 1 hour north of Atlanta and in the
> boonies... it's a Class C station with 1kW of power, not
> even rated in M/Street/10000Watts...
>
>

It may be in the boonies now, but that whole area north of Atlanta is just EXPLODING. Cutting every tree & building on every inch. You'd be on the ground floor of the next suburban sprawl, if you survive.
 
Re: How many bears and racoons does it cover

> >
> > Tha station is about 1 hour north of Atlanta and in the
> > boonies... it's a Class C station with 1kW of power, not
> > even rated in M/Street/10000Watts...
> >
> >
>
> It may be in the boonies now, but that whole area north of
> Atlanta is just EXPLODING. Cutting every tree & building on
> every inch. You'd be on the ground floor of the next
> suburban sprawl, if you survive.
>


Have you seen where the station is relative to Atlanta? It'll take ten years for that sprawl to get there, I don't have ten years of money pouring into this money loser to justify a buy at $750,000.00

Now if the sale was more to the liking of $150,000-250.000, I'd snatch it up right now!

Truth is, the person selling this station is probably trying to recoup alot of the money drained from his bank account running this station. If it's a money maker, he should post what type of advertisers and amount of money coming into the station each month/year as most stations for sale do... this is easily posted and a lure for the potential buyer, then a no disclosure document can be issued for the pending sale and the books can be opened for financial inspection. I'm not a broker but this is fairly common practice I believe.

Anybody want to dispute what I've just said, about the disclosure?

Radiopilot <P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by radiopilot on 12/16/05 12:50 AM.</FONT></P>
 
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