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Atlantic City-Cape May book

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http://www.allaccess.com/arbitron#141

With the rise of JSE by a .4, (2.8, not 2.9) there sure WERE a lot of loyal listeners that they couldn't even form together a coalition to bring back alternative rock!

*ahem*

TKU on top, and the Shark a 4.0.

Sojo back above 3.

WAYV beat WFPG.

A monster signal of 97.3 is sure losing a lot of Sports fans.

La Fiesta on an AM signal increased to a 3.1.
 
Try this: http://www.******************/ratings.asp?market=367
 
The JSE move was a mistake, but the problem with JSE is you need the right people to sell it. You cant have the same people who sell TKU and the Shark selling JSE, they are WAY different listeners and good modern rock stations are way different from classic rock and oldies. Much like sports/talk stations should have their own sellers as well, they are WAY different from music stations....But alas...its gone.

TKU is the only Oldies-esque outlet in the area, should get good numbers. Tough one for ZXL.

SoJo...I guess is under preforming, but that has to be a tough sell any way ya slice it.

AYV vs FPG, that goes back and forth, I am sure it doesn't even matter when it comes to selling them, more of a status thing, good job CAT....wow.

A monster signal of 97.3 is sure losing a lot of Sports fans...I wouldn't say that, remember sports station typically do well during the fall football season, not the spring season where Basketball ball, Hockey and early season baseball games are the topic.

La Fiesta on an AM signal increased to a 3.1. / meanwhile Spanish sports didn't register even with the World Cup...maybe they should just simulcast 97.3 on 1450 or put 101.5 on there.
 
Tough book for ZXL. I'm suprised. Of all the rock stations in South Jersey, ZXL sounds the best.

Of course there are exceptions and the major exception with ZXL is the Joe and Scott Morning Show.

It looks like the people have weighed in on the most important "People Poll Yet" and by the looks of it, they are not in favor of Joe and Scott Morning Show. Looks like it's going to take more than phone burners to be successful in this market.

Can't say I'm suprised.
 
The Joe Ciapanna and Scott Friedman morning show is about as successful as Friedmans Real estate career. Absolutley unlistenable :-* And Harvey is right on, AYV and FPG have been trading places for years now...
 
I'm shocked Cat WPUR was number three...I had no idea the AC market had so many country fans. I tihnk WFPG will win the war with WAYV the next couple of books...I think Wild 1027 will pull just enough listeners to catapult WFPG to number one..WAYV and Wild will share listeners the typical WFPG fan wouldn't be interested in WILD...I still expect AYV will be top three however i think KISS is going to suffer because of WILD..i could see it going down quite a few places...As for Sports on WBSS don't expect it to get ratings..AC is not Philadelphia...not the same locals and the interest will not be there ..and I agree football season does spike ratings for sports talk. WBSS may get a small increase in ratings but don't expect much.
 
You guys are so obviously lame and hilarious. How many of you are either Brett or one of his minions. Or maybe just Atlantic plants?

Personally, I think ZXL needs a music overhaul, and I think that Joe and Scott, while occasionally funny sometimes, need much more than a people poll to be consistently successful. The two of them were at their best when they were doing stunts and things, rather than just "phone burners" as was mentioned above.

But for the last two books the station and the morning show have done pretty darn good, and the only comments out there between books are how lame they are, how they pitch the music, etc.

Joe and Scott came back and they blew away Bob and Tom, and ZXL also woke up out of it's 5 year coma. Next book, continued good ratings for both. Joe and Scott killed Shut Up and Rock and ZXL pounded the Shark. Suddenly get a live and local morning show, with a past history, and tweak the music and maybe that's a formula for good ratings.

Now suddenly they get a obviously horrible book, and you're ready to pounce. Your right, all those listeners stopped listening all of the sudden. ZXL's dead. Joe and Scott should be fired.

Couldn't be an anomaly, could it? And I wonder what you'll all say if the next book comes out with them doing well again?

Seriously, do you really think the Shark is that good? Do you think Shut up and Rock turned to Sean Patrick was such a huge upgrade? Do you think the Shark made such a music tweak that all the ZXL listeners said we gotta listen to them?

Do you think that ZXL suddenly did something so horribly wrong with the morning show and the music that caused the listeners to jump ship en mass?

This wasn't a sliding book, this was a #1 to last place book in one trip. That's more of a statistical anomaly than a trend.

But, then again, most people on here (Atlantic) have an agenda.
 
Who Cares said:
Now suddenly they get a obviously horrible book, and you're ready to pounce. Your right, all those listeners stopped listening all of the sudden. ZXL's dead. Joe and Scott should be fired.
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Welcome to radio. When you don't produce, which you (or they) haven't, you get shown the door.

For someone who is claiming that others on this board have a hidden agenda, you are certainly coming to the defense of ZXL pretty strongly, especially to the defense of Joe and Scott. Almost seems hypocritical, don't ya think?

Hmm...one half of the morning team couldn't be dumb enough to come on and bash the music on their own station, could they? Then again, these are the same guys who thought "What does your wife do that drives you crazy?" for three and a half hours a day would light up the books. Reality has set in. The show is weak and this book has showed it. They got beat by a morning show (JSE) who lost one half of their team and another morning show (The Shark) which just recently launched.

Now I'm not a fan of Sean Patrick, nor the now defunct Morning Edge, however, to say Joe and Scott "blew away" Bob and Tom is like saying they're the smartest kids at the Special Olympics. For multiple books before they were dropped, Bob and Tom brought ZERO listeners to The Shark. Congrats, you...I mean they...beat two washed up hacks who haven't had an interesting thing to say since 1999.

As for the rest of the book. Look for WFPG to pass WAYV in the fall book. Like it or not, Wild 102.7 is going to take an audience away from both Kiss and AYV.

That being said, I do not agree with Kidd Kraddick in the morning, I think that is a horrible move and JVC/Atlantic should have thought this out better. Just because it works in NY, doesn't mean it will work here. A morning show on a dance station shouldn't be all talk, it should be music intensive, especially a month into the launch.

I think after everything is said and done, after all the moves have been made, the fall book will really tell which Rock Station and which Top 40 station dominate the market.
 
Your insinuations as to who I am aside, and I assure you, sir, you are wrong...I agree with you about the Fall book, however I disagree with you about reality setting in. Their show is weak, grant you. I listened to them in the 90's and I remember prank calls, stunts, bits, etc. Now it's a people poll and naked ladies on Thursday. But you don't suddenly lose AQH or cume, or whatever they (and the station) lost, in that quantity, in one book. People just don't decide to stop listening to a show or a station in droves. It's a gradual slide when a station goes down. As someone said on another thread, in this market 1 or 2 diaries can sink or swim a station.

Anyway, if you must know, I have a passing acquaintance in Scott, met him a couple of times, and I think he'd know my face, but doubt he'd remember me by name. I've never met Joe.

I've also met Sean Patrick a couple of times. Nothing against the guy personally, I just think he's benefited from both being in the wrong place at the right time and a market that doesn't boast a lot of talent.

Regardless, I've tried to be fair on this board, but the reason I've chirped up today is because it's just so obvious that this board is infiltrated by people with an agenda. My agenda is to be fair and balanced...like Fox News, ha!

My personal opinion about all three stations we're talking about:

JSE could only be a niche station. I posted before that there are no successful Alternative stations that make top ratings and stay alive in a market. The nature of alternative is that it is not liked by the masses. That being said, I think they could have kept the format with the new antenna and done pretty well. I think the morning show stunk. It was a college show at best. Howard Stern wannabe's are out and have been for 10 years.

SHARK rides the short bus. If it's not transmitter problems, it's music problems, or it's personnel problems. Pulling the Arbitron scam they did last book just highlights the b. s. that goes on over there (went on over there). Sometimes when I listen I think I've turned on Lite Rock, and it reminds me of a college station that will play a hard tune than a lame tune right after each other. Sean Patrick is a part-timer gotten lucky. You mention the Joe and Scott people poll not being funny, so you hang your hat on the fact that people love the great rock debate? Please. He's been given his bits and he's holding down the fort. They're relying on the music. People were getting fired, Bob and Tom weren't renewed. Let's plug in Sean, he can't do worse.

ZXL - needs a music overhaul. Same songs all the time. Very limited song list by artists (how many times can I hear Crazy Train and only Crazy Train by Ozzy)? And, some artists aren't being played at all. I don't know enough about the inside of radio, but when did Nickelback become a rock group? Shouldn't that be exclusive to WAYV? As for the morning show, it reeks of top-40 mentality micromanaging. Count how many times you hear Joe and Scott in a given hour and I bet it's less than 7. Count how long they talk, and I bet it's less than 2 minutes per break. If they go into a commercial break and have long songs, you won't hear them on their own show for like 15 minutes. And, every break has a phone call that they try to make funny, or hope the caller is funny. They're in and out like a top 40/chr (whatever) liner jock show.

WILD - doesn't matter in this debate, but I agree that they can do good things, and I agree that an all talk personality driven show doesn't jive with a dance party format.
 
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