Attention All Part 15 Broadcasters

[WCWalker]

Please take the time to read the entire string titled: "REC Collecting Part 15 AM Station Data".

An individual by the name of DudeFan has singlehandedly snubbed his nose at and maligned every part 15 broadcaster that chooses to consider his or her station a serious business.

 

[radioranch]

> Please take the time to read the entire string titled: "REC
> Collecting Part 15 AM Station Data".
>
> An individual by the name of DudeFan has singlehandedly
> snubbed his nose at and maligned every part 15 broadcaster
> that chooses to consider his or her station a serious
> business.
>

DudeFan makes extremely valid points. It is a hobby. Keith with Rangemaster has undoubtedly grossed more money with Part 15 than anyone else, and he admits its a hobby for him.

Those of us who follow this board have gotten to learn about the real part 15 evangelists who have moved from town to town fighting city hall before moving to another town (it's the community's fault), or we've seen the stations on eBay for ridiculous prices. I would imagine you could count those who consider their Part 15's to be a "serious business" on both hands if not one.

As a licensee of a 500 watt AM, it's a challenge being heard in enough households to make a living. Remember to be truly competitive, you need to be available on all radios, not just car radios and GE superradios. 100 milliwatts will never be a broadcasting business.

That having been said, I am making money off my two Part 15 AM stations. They are wall to wall commercials adjacent to local visitors centers. I air my high school sports broadcasts in stadium and gym on a Part 15 FM which is sold to a single sponsor separate from the over the air broadcasts.

But these are not broadcast stations. These are very narrowcast and don't rely on regular advertisers or long time-spent listening. They add some small revenue but they would never provide a living for anyone. Many of you have a couple of sponsors for pocket change as well. The Talking House things are serious business, but they're not broadcasting.

As Dudefan says, enjoy the hobby. Be proud of your sound. But understand your limitations as those of us with commercial AM's have learned to do.

It is what it is and that's all that it is.

 

[simcha]

I would like to respond at least in part to some of your comments.
I think in analyzing the business model of part 15, one would be wise to consider the following;
Part 15 has come a long way in the past few years. For the most part, I believe thanks is owed to Keith Hamilton of Rangemaster.
The clear signal has potential of covering a small community in a cost effective way.
In our day and age many stress it is important to focus in on "niche markets". Those who are interested in publishing realize that the public is overflowing with information. However niche markets are still fertile areas for delivering information that is welcomed by the receivers. I think part 15 is great radio for niche markets. Niche markets could be affiliations, ethnic, family value oriented etc In my own area I have about 500 families that know about my part 15. They also appreciate the service. How many listen I am not sure yet. We are finally on the home stretch on the signal covering every home, which would include even clock radios.
I brought a well known ad executive from a major radio station in Florida on a tour of my part 15 signal. He kept marveling at the potential. However he did put it in proper perspective. He says this station is just like the "community newspaper". I think the key here is to keep that in mind. Ad revenues wont be hi but overhead can be kept quite low. Make a living? I guess that depends on your goal in matters such as quality of life etc. But I think it can be a nice extra income. Besides one who does because they need to make an income would not have the right spirit to make the part 15 work. Also another very nice avenue is bartering. I have a friend who runs night time programming every night in the NY metro area. He barters such deals it is amazing. One can barter restaurants etc. Yes it could be that some people are making money but who would be dumb enough to brag about it?

 

[JasonW]

Simcha, one thing that would help you get more listeners is receiver-assist antennas. One Part 15 AM station (whose name escapes me) described how to make these on their web site so that home receivers could get their signal.

It was nothing more than 20 turns of insulated hookup wire wrapped around a cylindrical Quaker Oats box, with one end grounded and the other end (50' or more of insulated hookup wire as an antenna) strung up along an inside wall. Th coil is simply placed near the radio and moved around until the Part 15 signal comes in most strongly. -- JasonW

> I would like to respond at least in part to some of your
> comments.
> I think in analyzing the business model of part 15, one
> would be wise to consider the following;
> Part 15 has come a long way in the past few years. For the
> most part, I believe thanks is owed to Keith Hamilton of
> Rangemaster.
> The clear signal has potential of covering a small community
> in a cost effective way.
> In our day and age many stress it is important to focus in
> on "niche markets". Those who are interested in publishing
> realize that the public is overflowing with information.
> However niche markets are still fertile areas for delivering
> information that is welcomed by the receivers. I think part
> 15 is great radio for niche markets. Niche markets could be
> affiliations, ethnic, family value oriented etc In my own
> area I have about 500 families that know about my part 15.
> They also appreciate the service. How many listen I am not
> sure yet. We are finally on the home stretch on the signal
> covering every home, which would include even clock radios.
> I brought a well known ad executive from a major radio
> station in Florida on a tour of my part 15 signal. He kept
> marveling at the potential. However he did put it in proper
> perspective. He says this station is just like the
> "community newspaper". I think the key here is to keep that
> in mind. Ad revenues wont be hi but overhead can be kept
> quite low. Make a living? I guess that depends on your goal
> in matters such as quality of life etc. But I think it can
> be a nice extra income. Besides one who does because they
> need to make an income would not have the right spirit to
> make the part 15 work. Also another very nice avenue is
> bartering. I have a friend who runs night time programming
> every night in the NY metro area. He barters such deals it
> is amazing. One can barter restaurants etc. Yes it could be
> that some people are making money but who would be dumb
> enough to brag about it?
>

 

[WCWalker]

***Yes, he makes some valid points if you happen to be a politically correct, myopic socialist. His point about not wanting to post details regarding his LPFM station's revenue was right on but beyond that most of what he said has concering part 15 broadcasting and licensed AM has been wrong.



> > Please take the time to read the entire string titled:
> "REC
> > Collecting Part 15 AM Station Data".
> >
> > An individual by the name of DudeFan has singlehandedly
> > snubbed his nose at and maligned every part 15 broadcaster
>
> > that chooses to consider his or her station a serious
> > business.
> >
>
> DudeFan makes extremely valid points. It is a hobby.
> Keith with Rangemaster has undoubtedly grossed more money
> with Part 15 than anyone else, and he admits its a hobby for
> him.
>
> Those of us who follow this board have gotten to learn about
> the real part 15 evangelists who have moved from town to
> town fighting city hall before moving to another town (it's
> the community's fault), or we've seen the stations on eBay
> for ridiculous prices. I would imagine you could count
> those who consider their Part 15's to be a "serious
> business" on both hands if not one.
>
> As a licensee of a 500 watt AM, it's a challenge being heard
> in enough households to make a living. Remember to be truly
> competitive, you need to be available on all radios, not
> just car radios and GE superradios. 100 milliwatts will
> never be a broadcasting business.
>
> That having been said, I am making money off my two Part 15
> AM stations. They are wall to wall commercials adjacent to
> local visitors centers. I air my high school sports
> broadcasts in stadium and gym on a Part 15 FM which is sold
> to a single sponsor separate from the over the air
> broadcasts.
>
> But these are not broadcast stations. These are very
> narrowcast and don't rely on regular advertisers or long
> time-spent listening. They add some small revenue but they
> would never provide a living for anyone. Many of you have a
> couple of sponsors for pocket change as well. The Talking
> House things are serious business, but they're not
> broadcasting.
>
> As Dudefan says, enjoy the hobby. Be proud of your sound.
> But understand your limitations as those of us with
> commercial AM's have learned to do.
>
> It is what it is and that's all that it is.
>

 

[WCWalker]

***Just to set the record straight, both Ultra Sensors and ISS were marketing FCC Type Accepted AM transmitters years ahead of Keith. However, as a user and Distributor of the Rangemaster I will say that Keith's transmitter is better than either of its predacessors.

Chris DiPaola of Westerly, RI is largely the person most responsible for taking part 15 AM broadcasting to the next level. Back in 1994 after he had been unable to secure a licensed station, started up a commercial part 15 AM using a couple of the USI Trans AM units. Within a couple of years his station had located into a downtown Westerly, RI office and was making some pretty decent month with a very low overhead of about $300 a month! Not only did he have listeners but he had many sponsors as well. The revenue from that station led him to get a 100 watt non commercial FM station.


> Simcha, one thing that would help you get more listeners is
> receiver-assist antennas. One Part 15 AM station (whose
> name escapes me) described how to make these on their web
> site so that home receivers could get their signal.
>
> It was nothing more than 20 turns of insulated hookup wire
> wrapped around a cylindrical Quaker Oats box, with one end
> grounded and the other end (50' or more of insulated hookup
> wire as an antenna) strung up along an inside wall. Th coil
> is simply placed near the radio and moved around until the
> Part 15 signal comes in most strongly. -- JasonW
>
> > I would like to respond at least in part to some of your
> > comments.
> > I think in analyzing the business model of part 15, one
> > would be wise to consider the following;
> > Part 15 has come a long way in the past few years. For the
>
> > most part, I believe thanks is owed to Keith Hamilton of
> > Rangemaster.
> > The clear signal has potential of covering a small
> community
> > in a cost effective way.
> > In our day and age many stress it is important to focus in
>
> > on "niche markets". Those who are interested in publishing
>
> > realize that the public is overflowing with information.
> > However niche markets are still fertile areas for
> delivering
> > information that is welcomed by the receivers. I think
> part
> > 15 is great radio for niche markets. Niche markets could
> be
> > affiliations, ethnic, family value oriented etc In my own
> > area I have about 500 families that know about my part 15.
>
> > They also appreciate the service. How many listen I am not
>
> > sure yet. We are finally on the home stretch on the signal
>
> > covering every home, which would include even clock
> radios.
> > I brought a well known ad executive from a major radio
> > station in Florida on a tour of my part 15 signal. He kept
>
> > marveling at the potential. However he did put it in
> proper
> > perspective. He says this station is just like the
> > "community newspaper". I think the key here is to keep
> that
> > in mind. Ad revenues wont be hi but overhead can be kept
> > quite low. Make a living? I guess that depends on your
> goal
> > in matters such as quality of life etc. But I think it can
>
> > be a nice extra income. Besides one who does because they
> > need to make an income would not have the right spirit to
> > make the part 15 work. Also another very nice avenue is
> > bartering. I have a friend who runs night time programming
>
> > every night in the NY metro area. He barters such deals it
>
> > is amazing. One can barter restaurants etc. Yes it could
> be
> > that some people are making money but who would be dumb
> > enough to brag about it?
> >
>

 

[KeithHamilton]

I think that the technology of mile+ local broadcasting license free is just not widely know. There is great potential, I think in (targeted ) local broadcasting. Why put up a 1KW or 5KW and cover cornfields and meadows when all you want to do is cover a few small targeted areas and/or communities? And it can be done license free?
I think one problem that has been slowing progress is getting the audio to multiple transmitters, it can be done but there has proven to be an great way to do it yet.
I agree though it is what it is, you can't cover NYC with it. But if you need to cover a small town 2 or 3 miles wide in the country there is no easier way.

 

[simcha]

Thanks for the suggestion.
However the people I am talking about would never deal with 50 feet of wire. I did see a guy from Australia, who makes customize loops to your frequency.
His price is decent but is shipping is about the same as his price. I don't think that would do it for me because I am now using two rangemasters at the same time.
I have them on two different frequencies. I am checking out the night time signal every night driving the streets. I may move one rangemaster to the other side of town but don't want to that unless I have to. It is the night signal that is my opponent. Another plan would be to count the homes that have a reception problems to power lines nearby etc. Last night I think the main cluster of problem homes is about 20 homes. I can buy about 20 generic antennas pre made on ebay for about 20 bucks each. I would then give them to every home as a present and invitation to listen to my station. Right now I am leaning towards that if I cant solve the reception on that cluster, although it seems to have improved using my second frequency. My whole community knows I care about every house getting the signal. I don't want when we play story time etc for kids that some kid cannot get the signal

 

[dbdigital]

> ***Yes, he makes some valid points if you happen to be a
> politically correct, myopic socialist. His point about not
> wanting to post details regarding his LPFM station's revenue
> was right on but beyond that most of what he said has
> concering part 15 broadcasting and licensed AM has been
> wrong.
>
>
>

Having just read this thread, I'm still not sure what these licensed station owners were doing here (OK, so one guy's got a couple of Rangemasters broadcasting a loop of commercials).

But don't they have a station to manage, funds to raise, programming to secure, ratings/demographics reports to read, engineering maintanence, station logs and other paperwork to do? Not to mention planning their station's future growth. If they were responsible broadcasters they wouldn't have the time to post here.

Besides, putting down Part-15 broadcasters is a dead waste of time.

db

 

[WCWalker]

***Given that someone wants to create a trackable Database of Part 15 AM stations, I'd say they were either ignorant of the current part 15 policial climate or up to no good. The condescending attitude they displayed was disgusting to say the least.

There is nothing wrong with licensed broadcasters using this forum alongside the part 15ers to have an intelligent, honest discussion. But it is another thing to simply come in here and start to talk down to people with the apparent intent to make them feel inferior. Even if that was not their intent it as roundly displayed during that "discussion" I had with them.

On the subject of BMI. I know the guy that is responsible for this entire mess. He contacted me last October 2004 with a few questions about that subject and others pertaining to part 15. His name is Matt and he lives in Williamsport, PA. Don't recall his last name off hand but it might be Hoppe.

He told me that he had contacted BMI about paying them and their initial response was "no, you don't need to pay us". I reinforced this message based upon research I have done plus the experiences of other part 15 broadcasters when dealing with BMI or ASCAP.

Well, Matt told me he felt "guilty" about not paying and didn't want to take no for an answer. He kept pestering BMI for a couple of months until finally, they told him he could pay and that they would start to force ALL part 15 stations to pay. The rest is history.

Ironically, this guy Matt put his station off the air right after BMI told him they would start coming after part 15 stations for money to air their songs. I told Matt if he had half a brain he would vanish into thin air and should stay the hell away from the part 15 broadcasting community.

Either he was an NAB mole or an incredibly naive and ignorant guy. Either way, he's DIRECTLY responsible for all this stuff with BMI.


> > ***Yes, he makes some valid points if you happen to be a
> > politically correct, myopic socialist. His point about
> not
> > wanting to post details regarding his LPFM station's
> revenue
> > was right on but beyond that most of what he said has
> > concering part 15 broadcasting and licensed AM has been
> > wrong.
> >
> >
> >
>
> Having just read this thread, I'm still not sure what these
> licensed station owners were doing here (OK, so one guy's
> got a couple of Rangemasters broadcasting a loop of
> commercials).
>
> But don't they have a station to manage, funds to raise,
> programming to secure, ratings/demographics reports to read,
> engineering maintanence, station logs and other paperwork to
> do? Not to mention planning their station's future growth.
> If they were responsible broadcasters they wouldn't have the
> time to post here.
>
> Besides, putting down Part-15 broadcasters is a dead waste
> of time.
>
> db
>

 

[MonsterFM-KBKH]

> Having just read this thread, I'm still not sure what these
> licensed station owners were doing here (OK, so one guy's
> got a couple of Rangemasters broadcasting a loop of
> commercials).
>
> But don't they have a station to manage, funds to raise,
> programming to secure, ratings/demographics reports to read,
> engineering maintanence, station logs and other paperwork to
> do? Not to mention planning their station's future growth.
> If they were responsible broadcasters they wouldn't have the
> time to post here.



Well, I certainly apprecaite that! I read this forum (and occasionally post a little) and I'm a commercial licensee who has personally researched, prepared and filed successful applications for many of the LPFM's that are currently on the air and others that are now CP's. I admit that these are not unlicensed part-15's but, it's rather difficult to get a CP for one of those...



> Besides, putting down Part-15 broadcasters is a dead waste
> of time.



I agree. People are gonna do whatever it is that people are gonna do! Have fun! That's what counts! I don't begrudge anyone who wants to try and operate a small community radio station to the point that I'm seriously considering filing (in the nextr NCE window) for a couple of local stations to GIVE to our local schools. Competition doesn't hurt. It's forces a product to be better and better...
<P ID="signature">______________
Terry Keith Hammond

Message Boards: http://www.monsterfm.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi</P>

 

[dbdigital]

> > Having just read this thread, I'm still not sure what
> these
> > licensed station owners were doing here (OK, so one guy's
> > got a couple of Rangemasters broadcasting a loop of
> > commercials).
> >
> > But don't they have a station to manage, funds to raise,
> > programming to secure, ratings/demographics reports to
> read,
> > engineering maintanence, station logs and other paperwork
> to
> > do? Not to mention planning their station's future growth.
>
> > If they were responsible broadcasters they wouldn't have
> the
> > time to post here.
>
>
>
> Well, I certainly apprecaite that! I read this forum (and
> occasionally post a little) and I'm a commercial licensee
> who has personally researched, prepared and filed successful
> applications for many of the LPFM's that are currently on
> the air and others that are now CP's. I admit that these are
> not unlicensed part-15's but, it's rather difficult to get a
> CP for one of those...
>
>
>
> > Besides, putting down Part-15 broadcasters is a dead waste
>
> > of time.
>
>
>
> I agree. People are gonna do whatever it is that people are
> gonna do! Have fun! That's what counts! I don't begrudge
> anyone who wants to try and operate a small community radio
> station to the point that I'm seriously considering filing
> (in the nextr NCE window) for a couple of local stations to
> GIVE to our local schools. Competition doesn't hurt. It's
> forces a product to be better and better...
>

I forgot to mention air traffic and personnel management to my list.

Anyway, don't misunderstand me, Terry. I enjoy hearing from licensed broadcasters. I think their (your) posts gives us all wonderful insight into the set up and running of a station, the good, bad and ugly.

db

 

[dickfry]

Move to 100 Watts Licensed in next NCE Window

>... I'm seriously considering filing
> (in the nextr NCE window) for a couple of local stations to
> GIVE to our local schools. Competition doesn't hurt. It's
> forces a product to be better and better...
>

Do everybody a favor and get the schools involved BEFORE you file. I learned from my LPFM experiences that nobody values something of great value when they receive it free. Get them on board as part of the process ahead of time. That way, when licenses are granted, you haven't gotten a CP for people who won't take care of it. Also, you won't have beaten out another organization that might actually have really wanted to run a radio station.

Next round of LPFM applications doesn't look to be for about 2 years. The FCC has privately said that they are opening the Full Power Non Comm window sometime between now and next summer. Bets are that it'll be Spring 2006 for the NCE madness.

If you're looking for a small full power station, say 100 watts but "Full Power" instead of LPFM, it's time to figure out which engineer will do the interference maps for you, and how you're going to pay for it. Expect $500 to $2000 engineering expenses for a full power NCE.

If you can find an open LPFM frequency in the 88-92 band using the RECNET.com LPFM channel finder, you can almost certainly put a 100 Watt or greater Full Power NCE station in that spot as well.

- Five Deferment Dick

 

[MonsterFM-KBKH]

Re: Move to 100 Watts Licensed in next NCE Window

> Do everybody a favor and get the schools involved BEFORE you
> file. I learned from my LPFM experiences that nobody values
> something of great value when they receive it free. Get them
> on board as part of the process ahead of time. That way,
> when licenses are granted, you haven't gotten a CP for
> people who won't take care of it. Also, you won't have
> beaten out another organization that might actually have
> really wanted to run a radio station.


I'm very familiar with the process and am also well aware of who does (and who does not) want a radio station.


> Next round of LPFM applications doesn't look to be for about
> 2 years. The FCC has privately said that they are opening
> the Full Power Non Comm window sometime between now and next
> summer. Bets are that it'll be Spring 2006 for the NCE
> madness.


I am also very well aware of the delays involved in the NCE filing window. I'm also glad of those delays as it gives me more time to do what I have to do.


> If you're looking for a small full power station, say 100
> watts but "Full Power" instead of LPFM, it's time to figure
> out which engineer will do the interference maps for you,
> and how you're going to pay for it. Expect $500 to $2000
> engineering expenses for a full power NCE.


Has something changed that I need to be made aware of? as I stated in my original post on this topicm I'm responsible for MANY granted CP's and licenses. I had an amended CP application granted and a license to cover that CP granted both on the same day about two weeks ago for an emergency move. I'm wondering why, after it's cost me $16k for the software to prepare applications professionally, I'd suddenly need to hire another engineer when I've been preparing successful applications for years, now?


> If you can find an open LPFM frequency in the 88-92 band
> using the RECNET.com LPFM channel finder, you can almost
> certainly put a 100 Watt or greater Full Power NCE station
> in that spot as well.


No thanks. I'll stick with my ComStudy. It cost moocho more than RecNet (nothing against Rec) and it will allow me to do contour based studies so that I can sneak in a station even when RecNet tells me "NO WAY!" This is the reason I hate it when a client tells me, "I've checked on RecNet and it says I can't possibly fit a station in, here." (Or, does RecNet do directional allocation studies, now?)

Sorry but, I'm waaaaay ahead of you in this game.<P ID="signature">______________
Terry Keith Hammond

Message Boards: http://www.monsterfm.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi</P>

 

[radiopilot]

Re: Move to 100 Watts Licensed in next NCE Window

> > Do everybody a favor and get the schools involved BEFORE
> you
> > file. I learned from my LPFM experiences that nobody
> values
> > something of great value when they receive it free. Get
> them
> > on board as part of the process ahead of time. That way,
> > when licenses are granted, you haven't gotten a CP for
> > people who won't take care of it. Also, you won't have
> > beaten out another organization that might actually have
> > really wanted to run a radio station.
>
>
> I'm very familiar with the process and am also well aware of
> who does (and who does not) want a radio station.
>
>
> > Next round of LPFM applications doesn't look to be for
> about
> > 2 years. The FCC has privately said that they are opening
> > the Full Power Non Comm window sometime between now and
> next
> > summer. Bets are that it'll be Spring 2006 for the NCE
> > madness.
>
>
> I am also very well aware of the delays involved in the NCE
> filing window. I'm also glad of those delays as it gives me
> more time to do what I have to do.
>
>
> > If you're looking for a small full power station, say 100
> > watts but "Full Power" instead of LPFM, it's time to
> figure
> > out which engineer will do the interference maps for you,
> > and how you're going to pay for it. Expect $500 to $2000
> > engineering expenses for a full power NCE.
>
>
> Has something changed that I need to be made aware of? as I
> stated in my original post on this topicm I'm responsible
> for MANY granted CP's and licenses. I had an amended CP
> application granted and a license to cover that CP granted
> both on the same day about two weeks ago for an emergency
> move. I'm wondering why, after it's cost me $16k for the
> software to prepare applications professionally, I'd
> suddenly need to hire another engineer when I've been
> preparing successful applications for years, now?
>
>
> > If you can find an open LPFM frequency in the 88-92 band
> > using the RECNET.com LPFM channel finder, you can almost
> > certainly put a 100 Watt or greater Full Power NCE station
>
> > in that spot as well.
>
>
> No thanks. I'll stick with my ComStudy. It cost moocho more
> than RecNet (nothing against Rec) and it will allow me to do
> contour based studies so that I can sneak in a station even
> when RecNet tells me "NO WAY!" This is the reason I hate it
> when a client tells me, "I've checked on RecNet and it says
> I can't possibly fit a station in, here." (Or, does RecNet
> do directional allocation studies, now?)
>
> Sorry but, I'm waaaaay ahead of you in this game.
>


Terry,

I just looked at Recnet and it states there is no open frequencies for Savannah, GA. Are you saying that you may be able to slip a station in there somehow?

Let me know if you can seriously, if you can do this for the next filing window for 10-100 watts, I'll sign you up now! Send me a personal email and I'll respond with whatever info you need to get this done ASAP.

Radiopilot

 

[MonsterFM-KBKH]

Re: Move to 100 Watts Licensed in next NCE Window

> Terry,
>
> I just looked at Recnet and it states there is no open
> frequencies for Savannah, GA. Are you saying that you may be
> able to slip a station in there somehow?
>
> Let me know if you can seriously, if you can do this for the
> next filing window for 10-100 watts, I'll sign you up now!
> Send me a personal email and I'll respond with whatever info
> you need to get this done ASAP.
>
> Radiopilot
>


I didn't see a private e-mail but, I'm doing several studies now and it won't hurt to look at another. E-mail me at [email protected] and we'll take a preliminary look to see what can (or can't) be done. (I never charge for a preliminary as I hate the thought of taking payment and returning only bad news.)<P ID="signature">______________
Terry Keith Hammond

Message Boards: http://www.monsterfm.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi</P>

 

[radiopilot]

Re: Move to 100 Watts Licensed in next NCE Window

> > Terry,
> >
> > I just looked at Recnet and it states there is no open
> > frequencies for Savannah, GA. Are you saying that you may
> be
> > able to slip a station in there somehow?
> >
> > Let me know if you can seriously, if you can do this for
> the
> > next filing window for 10-100 watts, I'll sign you up now!
>
> > Send me a personal email and I'll respond with whatever
> info
> > you need to get this done ASAP.
> >
> > Radiopilot
> >
>
>
> I didn't see a private e-mail but, I'm doing several studies
> now and it won't hurt to look at another. E-mail me at
> [email protected] and we'll take a preliminary look
> to see what can (or can't) be done. (I never charge for a
> preliminary as I hate the thought of taking payment and
> returning only bad news.)
>


Terry,

Thanks for getting back, I'll send you an email with the info you may need.

Radiopilot