ATWT Cancelled?!?!?!

[justpassingthough]

Interesting. When CBS announced on April Fool's Day
that "GL" was being canceled, it gave "ATWT" a reprieve;
the common thinking was that "ATWT" would have its
last broadcast September 17, 2010. It's also interesting
that "ATWT" is averaging a 1.7 rating, whereas "GL" was
averaging 1.4 (although the numbers did jump slightly during
its last week) and is just a shade behind "OLTL."

Does this mean that the networks just start eliminating the
last-place soap like some sort of sports tournament? If that's
the case even the once-mighty "General Hospital" may end up
shutting its doors in the not-too-distant future. Seriously:

I can see ABC standing pat with "AMC" since it's in the top four
along with the two Bell shows and "Days Of Our Lives," but am
not putting any bets on the future of "OLTL" or "GH."

CBS has been trying for about two decades to sever its ties with
P&G; the network would prefer that P&G buy spots rather than
package entire shows where they get four minutes of commercials
and CBS gets eight; CBS, naturally, wants the whole twelve. Funny,
though, how it was seven years (1975-82) between CBS's cancellations
of "Edge Of Night" and "Search For Tomorrow," then 27 years after that
before "GL" was canceled, and now the last two P&G soaps get canceled
in the same year! Any thoughts on that?

Did CBS announce when the last episode of "ATWT" would be?

AMC may be drawing a bigger audience than GH this year, but GH wins handily in 18-49. Plus, it (GH) now has the dubious distinction of being the oldest soap opera on American TV once ATWT airs its last episode.

 

[imhomerjay]

On the Oprah front, I wouldn't be shocked to see some of the O&Os add news, but I don't think we'll see some blanket approach--case by case so to speak.

 

[Braves2005]

What is preventing The Bold And The Beautiful from extending to an hour and getting As The World Turns' old slot and giving the 1:00 Eastern/Noon Central slot back to the affiliates and giving another half-hour for news or a syndicated talk/court/whatever show?

How many cities carry more than one hour newcast at 1:00 Eastern/Noon Central? That would be an opportunity for the CBS affiliates to compete with another hour newscast with ABC, NBC and/or FOX affiliates if they so choose.

 

[FreddyE1977]

So much for the predictions of 1980's TV Preachers that soaps were going to lead to the full-on revival of Sodom and Gomorrah with full-frontal nudity and graphic sex by 1997....

 

[imhomerjay]

So much for the predictions of 1980's TV Preachers that soaps were going to lead to the full-on revival of Sodom and Gomorrah with full-frontal nudity and graphic sex by 1997....

"You know, Fox became a hardcore sex network so gradually, I hardly noticed."--Marge Simpson

No, those odd l-shaped sheets are still in use in the world of TV.

What is preventing The Bold And The Beautiful from extending to an hour and getting As The World Turns' old slot and giving the 1:00 Eastern/Noon Central slot back to the affiliates and giving another half-hour for news or a syndicated talk/court/whatever show?

For starters, that Y&R occupies the 1 p.m. slot, and whether it stays put in its current slot or moves 30 minutes, the odds of some portion of Y&R not airing at 1 are between slim and none. But in theory, they could move Y&R to 1, and B&B to 2--like any potential move, there are range of potential risks and rewards to evaluate. Nothing they decide to do is without risk, the question is what looks to be the best balance of upside potential and minimized downside potential?

How many cities carry more than one hour newcast at 1:00 Eastern/Noon Central? That would be an opportunity for the CBS affiliates to compete with another hour newscast with ABC, NBC and/or FOX affiliates if they so choose.
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[bpatrick]

What is preventing The Bold And The Beautiful from extending to an hour and getting As The World Turns' old slot and giving the 1:00 Eastern/Noon Central slot back to the affiliates and giving another half-hour for news or a syndicated talk/court/whatever show?

How many cities carry more than one hour newcast at 1:00 Eastern/Noon Central? That would be an opportunity for the CBS affiliates to compete with another hour newscast with ABC, NBC and/or FOX affiliates if they so choose.

What's keeping B&B from going to an hour is its cast. John McCook and Susan Flannery in particular are on record saying they will oppose any move to expand the show. Some CBS affiliates (including one of my two, WRAL) have an hour of news at noon. But OK, I think what you're saying is run Y&R at 11 AM Central/1 PM Eastern, and B&B at 2 Eastern/1 Central. That's just great if you live in Los Angeles, Chicago, Dallas, or Nashville, where Y&R runs very successfully at 11:30. Also, CBS tried Y&R at 1 PM Eastern for a little over a year in 1980 and '81, and found it better to start it 30 minutes before Days and AMC. No, I think the two remaining CBS soaps stay right where they are.

 

[bpatrick]

On the Oprah front, I wouldn't be shocked to see some of the O&Os add news, but I don't think we'll see some blanket approach--case by case so to speak.

Strictly hypothetical, what I said. But it'll be mighty tempting, I think, especially in the larger markets, to go to a 4 PM newscast if things come to that.

 

[bpatrick]

Interesting. When CBS announced on April Fool's Day
that "GL" was being canceled, it gave "ATWT" a reprieve;
the common thinking was that "ATWT" would have its
last broadcast September 17, 2010. It's also interesting
that "ATWT" is averaging a 1.7 rating, whereas "GL" was
averaging 1.4 (although the numbers did jump slightly during
its last week) and is just a shade behind "OLTL."

Does this mean that the networks just start eliminating the
last-place soap like some sort of sports tournament? If that's
the case even the once-mighty "General Hospital" may end up
shutting its doors in the not-too-distant future. Seriously:

I can see ABC standing pat with "AMC" since it's in the top four
along with the two Bell shows and "Days Of Our Lives," but am
not putting any bets on the future of "OLTL" or "GH."

CBS has been trying for about two decades to sever its ties with
P&G; the network would prefer that P&G buy spots rather than
package entire shows where they get four minutes of commercials
and CBS gets eight; CBS, naturally, wants the whole twelve. Funny,
though, how it was seven years (1975-82) between CBS's cancellations
of "Edge Of Night" and "Search For Tomorrow," then 27 years after that
before "GL" was canceled, and now the last two P&G soaps get canceled
in the same year! Any thoughts on that?

Did CBS announce when the last episode of "ATWT" would be?

AMC may be drawing a bigger audience than GH this year, but GH wins handily in 18-49. Plus, it (GH) now has the dubious distinction of being the oldest soap opera on American TV once ATWT airs its last episode.

Elsewhere on this thread I posed the possibility of "OLTL" being canceled and "GH" taking over the 2/1 timeslot.

 

[dustintv]

Moonves makes it perfectly clear that CBS Daytime is done at the end of this video:


http://plus.cnbc.com/rssvideosearch/action/player/id/1353411839/code/cnbcplayershare

 

[justpassingthough]

Elsewhere on this thread I posed the possibility of "OLTL" being canceled and "GH" taking over the 2/1 timeslot.
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Sorry I missed this when I read your earlier post. I read somewhere else that it is now being speculated that OLTL will be cancelled shortly, in which case, GH would be presumed to be moving up an hour.

This leaves some ABC stations (like the all important O&Os) facing the prospect of filling two hours of programming in the afternoons, if OLTL gets the ax and Oprah actually retires.

If the producers of ATWT are really shopping the show elsewhere, I suggest they visit 30 Rockefeller Center. I hear NBC needs programming to fill their 10 to 11 slot.

 

[imhomerjay]

Anyone shopping "World" elsewhere is on a fruitless mission.

One option we haven't thrown out yet: a back-to-the-future programming approach at CBS...daytime reruns of primetime shows. Get ready for CSI, weekdays at 2 ET. (Just kidding, just kidding.)

 

[dustintv]

Oh and that video I posted with Les Moonves, that CNBC reporter is ATWT actress Marie Masters' son-in-law!

http://gawker.com/5421720/classy-le...orter-hes-firing-his-mother+in+law-on-live-tv

 

[daryll]

It was time. I applaud this move by CBS.

 

[Studio20]

Did the CBS execs tell Grandpa that they "gave it a great deal of thought"
before canceling the show?

Yes...And Thats The Way It Is...

Signed,

The Late Walter Cronkite.
sitting here in my white shirt and tie with my thick black rimmed glasses......


(honest to Rather, am I the only one who got that reference?)

 

[azumanga]

Did the CBS execs tell Grandpa that they "gave it a great deal of thought"
before canceling the show?

Yes...And Thats The Way It Is...
(honest to Rather, am I the only one who got that reference?)

Maybe on the final episode, they could give the line "gave it a great deal of thought" as the final line, then cut to black for a few seconds before going to final commercials. Then in its place on September 21, CBS could run a nostalgic news magazine called "Bulletin", with an uncanny focus on JFK.

(Wishful thinking.)

 

[MBird]

I have been an ATWT viewer for over 20 years.

This is a business decision, yes, but a painful one. When Bob Barker retired from THE PRICE IS RIGHT, they found a replacement. I could understand GUIDING LIGHT being cancelled, particularly after they forced the actors to work outdoors in Peapack, New Jersey instead of a soundstage.

But AS THE WORLD TURNS has always been the "Cadillac" of soaps. What drew me to the show, as well as my mother, grandmother, and others, was the close-knit relationships and real-time exploration of events in the characters' lives. Mostly the show has been more character-driven and less plot-driven, and I have always loved it.

The show was #1 for 20 straight years, just like Y&R has been! I am just shocked that this decision came today.

This is a disappointment, but just yesterday I was looking at the ratings and wondering how much longer the network would let this go on. To be last place for the whole year that GL was standing in front of a firing squad and to let the quality decline so much ... well, I guess it was just a matter of time. But the show has been getting good lately, so perhaps they can wrap things up nicely for the end of Procter and Gamble's involvement in soaps.

AS THE WORLD TURNS defined the soap opera genre. I'll be enjoying it while it lasts. And then, I'm done. I don't have any more shows left to follow!

 

[DToTheJ]

How long does OLTL last over at ABC, which will now be producing 50% of all the television programs formerly known as soap operas?

Certainly, ABC has the synergy with SoapNet, to help justify the costs of producing soaps...

SoapNet. There's another angle. Not just a name change, of course, but as more of these types of programs die off, it leaves the potential open for the network to show more and more reality or nonsensical shows.

 

[DToTheJ]

One option we haven't thrown out yet: a back-to-the-future programming approach at CBS...daytime reruns of primetime shows. Get ready for CSI, weekdays at 2 ET. (Just kidding, just kidding.)

Certainly not out of the question - although I would imagine they'd get more money farming them out to the cable networks than re-airing them during the day... But still cheaper than producing soaps, by far...

 

[brian4]

Damn
:'(

 

[azumanga]

SoapNet. There's another angle. Not just a name change, of course, but as more of these types of programs die off, it leaves the potential open for the network to show more and more reality or nonsensical shows.

Of course, they can follow the lead of MTV, VH1 and CMT by adding this pap, while keeping the SoapNet name.