Audacy return radio stations

[tall_guy1]

When you say "a lot of people," you're mainly talking about yourself. The Jack format has been very consistent in most of the markets where it was launched, including Los Angeles. People want options, and Jack gives them music without interruption.

You didn't address my point of manufactured music, which is so prevalent today.

But isn't it mainly used as background music instead of something people really tune in to hear?

 

[TheBigA]

But isn't it mainly used as background music instead of something people really tune in to hear?

I don't think you can generalize about behavior

 

[davideduardo]

It wouldn't be so prevalent if it didn't attract large audiences.

I don't think that voice tracking is due to anything other than cost savings. There are a number of management types who think that the PPM and new media have proven that listeners don't want live jocks, but that is an assumption based, mostly, on thinking that today's preference in talent would be the same as Cousin Brucie, Robert W. Morgan and Dr. Don Rose.

But since this is the NY board, I will point out that for the most part, the most popular stations in the city have live & local talent. Especially the ones owned by Audacy. Cumulus tried to run WNSH as a mostly syndicated country station, and Audacy replaced all of the syndication with local hosts.

There is a difference between "live and local" and just "live". With good talent, "local" can be seen as irrelevant for music formats... although in sports talk and news/talk it is obviously essential.

 

[tall_guy1]

When you say "a lot of people," you're mainly talking about yourself. The Jack format has been very consistent in most of the markets where it was launched, including Los Angeles. People want options, and Jack gives them music without interruption.

You didn't address my point of manufactured music, which is so prevalent today. A lot of the EDM music you tend to like is heavily manufactured.

I missed that last point. Yes, but the music is curated by the artists themselves and thus for the listeners to actively listen to even if it is seen as inferior by some music critics.

 

[TheBigA]

I missed that last point. Yes, but the music is curated by the artists themselves and thus for the listeners to actively listen to even if it is seen as inferior by some music critics.

That's a very naive view. The music today is largely curated by producers who work for the labels, trying to create something that will generate plays on Spotify and TikTok. In many cases, the artists are like radio DJs, talent who do the work written and assembled by the producers. It's all about making money.

 

[davideduardo]

That's a very naive view. The music today is largely curated by producers who work for the labels, trying to create something that will generate plays on Spotify and TikTok. In many cases, the artists are like radio DJs, talent who do the work written and assembled by the producers. It's all about making money.

The idea that artists have 100% control of what they do and which songs they record is very dated. That may be true with some independent label artists... but it is also why they are not signed to the big labels that can effectively market them, particularly in other countries.

 

[tall_guy1]

That's a very naive view. The music today is largely curated by producers who work for the labels, trying to create something that will generate plays on Spotify and TikTok. In many cases, the artists are like radio DJs, talent who do the work written and assembled by the producers. It's all about making money.

That is true about newer pop artists which chase trends, but a lot of EDM artists and others don't exactly follow that current trend and are mainly international. Some music that comes out is obviously for that purpose though (stuff like Yummy by Justin Bieber was designed for Tiktok), and I haven't really gravitated towards much 20s pop or likewise.

 

[TheBigA]

Some music that comes out is obviously for that purpose though (stuff like Yummy by Justin Bieber was designed for Tiktok), and I haven't really gravitated towards much 20s pop or likewise.

Bieber is a good example. Look at any of his music, and you'll find over a dozen producers listed. Bieber's main guy is Poo Bear (aka Jason Boyd) a rapper and producer who has worked with him for years. Poo Bear is a track guy who creates rhythm tracks and builds songs around them. Then Bieber comes in to add his parts. But none of this is new. A lot of it can be traced back to Les Paul's recording of How High The Moon.

 

[tall_guy1]

Bieber is a good example. Look at any of his music, and you'll find over a dozen producers listed. Bieber's main guy is Poo Bear (aka Jason Boyd) a rapper and producer who has worked with him for years. Poo Bear is a track guy who creates rhythm tracks and builds songs around them. Then Bieber comes in to add his parts. But none of this is new. A lot of it can be traced back to Les Paul's recording of How High The Moon.

He had been designed for a wide audience for a while. Some artists you can tell are tailor made for the time they are in, though some continue on without reinventing or chasing the current trend and go "out of style" (a lot of EDM, folk rock, and soft rock stars fit this category.)

 

[TheBigA]

He had been designed for a wide audience for a while. Some artists you can tell are tailor made for the time they are in, though some continue on without reinventing or chasing the current trend and go "out of style" (a lot of EDM, folk rock, and soft rock stars fit this category.)

But that's the point. It's manufactured to sell.

 

[Theater of My Mind]

It's already done: Alt Rock 92.3 HD-2.

Considering that's just an automated jukebox, Radio Felician streaming out of Rutherford is better, programmed by a New Yorker and alumni of WBAB, iHeart and SXM.

 

[tvk5195]

Speaking of Alt 92.3 HD-2, it seems they have tweaked the music more in an alternative rock direction. Gone are most of the pop rock songs.
Those that were complaining about Alt 92.3 mixing in too much music that wasn’t Alternative, when it’s was on the primary frequency, might enjoy the current music mix.

Alt 92.3 Playlist

It sounds great now. I general, I don't listen to the radio much anymore but I actually listen to Alt 92.3 on my echo a lot. The station plays a wide variety of alternative rock with no commercials.

 

[JackindaBox]

Um… idk if K-Rock will come back or not. I don’t think it will yet or will WINS move to 94.7 yet. They will probably see if the Classic Hip Hop format works after they move the signal closer to NYC before they do that.

 

[djl]

Um… idk if K-Rock will come back or not. I don’t think it will yet or will WINS move to 94.7 yet. They will probably see if the Classic Hip Hop format works after they move the signal closer to NYC before they do that.

I don’t think 94.7 can move any closer to NYC than it already is.

 

[davideduardo]

I don’t think 94.7 can move any closer to NYC than it already is.

Folks like Scott Fybush have explained the co-channel and adjacent channel reasons why it can't move any further towards Manhattan.

 

[MVB13]

Um… idk if K-Rock will come back or not. I don’t think it will yet or will WINS move to 94.7 yet. They will probably see if the Classic Hip Hop format works after they move the signal closer to NYC before they do that.

It's been almost 2 years it can't compete with Power, Hot, or BLS or KTU.

 

[davideduardo]

It's been almost 2 years it can't compete with Power, Hot, or BLS or KTU.

They don't have to beat any of those stations, just show a decent share.

KTU is not an urban station. It is rhythmic and the bulk of the listening is non-Hispanic white and Hispanic. Hot is also very broad, with Hispanics usually the majority of its audience. Only Power and WBLS are much more focused only on Black listenership.

 

[MVB13]

Folks like Scott Fybush have explained the co-channel and adjacent channel reasons why it can't move any further towards Manhattan.

It's short spaced between 94.5 PST, 94.3 The Point, 94.3 The Shark, 94.7 in Massachusetts, and 94.3 in Kingston NY.

 

[MVB13]

They don't have to beat any of those stations, just show a decent share.

KTU is not an urban station. It is rhythmic and the bulk of the listening is non-Hispanic white and Hispanic. Hot is also very broad, with Hispanics usually the majority of its audience. Only Power and WBLS are much more focused only on Black listenership.

A 1.9 to 2.0 isn't a decent rating.

 

[MVB13]

They should have put The Block on 92.3 and WINS on 94.7.