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Automatic Weather Forecast for Radio

Besides, if your radio station is still breaking for weather -- why?? It's not 1980 anymore. Everyone has the latest forecast on their phone and they know what the day will be like before they walk out the door in the morning. In 2025, stopping down for weather on the radio is pure clutter, at least in music formats where listeners will always tell you they want to hear less talk.

as i love to be the pedantic outlier that i am, we still do. with live djs 7 to 9 and 12-5, we do the weather at 30 past those local hours.... the forecast takes anywhere between 2 and 4 minutes.

Evern in the days of the internet, weather has been a hallmark of what we do in times of flooding from river break up or like the remnants of typhoon halong or/and when the airport AWOS goes down, again
 
To me, replacing human voices with AI is one more step in what people are calling "en$hittification" these days.

It depends. I know people who refuse to use ATMs and will only bank with human tellers.

Evern in the days of the internet, weather has been a hallmark of what we do in times of flooding from river break up or like the remnants of typhoon halong or/and when the airport AWOS goes down, again

When people say weather or traffic reports are unnecessary because people have phones, I respond that restaurants are also unnecessary when people can cook at home. Somehow, all those restaurants manage to find customers.
 
It depends. I know people who refuse to use ATMs and will only bank with human tellers.
Bank of America loves to have only one teller at the counter, no matter how long the line is, and another employee standing around, whose only purpose is to try to get the people waiting in line to use the ATM instead.

I wonder how they deal with knowing that if they were successful at their job, they'd be out of a job.
 
When people say weather or traffic reports are unnecessary because people have phones
The problem is that for many radio traffic reports the opening billboard is longer than the traffic info itself.

And weather? I’ve heard too many updates that only say something like “Your temperatures tonight will be in the 60s and 70s”. Yeah, a 20 degree range and no other info. What use is that?
 
The problem is that for many radio traffic reports the opening billboard is longer than the traffic info itself.

And weather? I’ve heard too many updates that only say something like “Your temperatures tonight will be in the 60s and 70s”. Yeah, a 20 degree range and no other info. What use is that?

It depends on the station. New Jersey 101.5 builds their format around traffic and weather. They spend several minutes covering the main roads and side streets, and have two reporters, one for the northern half of the state, and another for the southern. They do it better than anyone I know. The station covers most of the state based near Trenton. WTOP in DC also does a very detailed traffic report.
 
Cute. Do you think people in the radio business don't know an advertisement poorly disguised as "looking for feedback" when they see it?

The sole reason radio companies are interested in AI is to replace humans so they won't have to pay them anymore. You'll find some members on this site supportive of that mindset, unfortunately. But anyone who works hard on the creative side isn't falling for your "ease the workload" pitch at all.

Besides, if your radio station is still breaking for weather -- why?? It's not 1980 anymore. Everyone has the latest forecast on their phone and they know what the day will be like before they walk out the door in the morning. In 2025, stopping down for weather on the radio is pure clutter, at least in music formats where listeners will always tell you they want to hear less talk.

While I agree wit you some of the time, I can't agree with your last paragraph. There are people out there who have never had a smart phone, don't have the money to purchase one now, and probably will never have that kind of money as long as they live. There are also some in the visually impaired and blind population who have trouble using those phones that are available. While Internet radio, which I am fond of, can serve a very narrow population, that is not true for broadcast radio which needs to serve a lot of interests, not just of those who wish to hear music all of the time.

I will add one more thing. This kind of debate is exactly what happens when radio, instead of being a provider of need-to-know information for the communities it serves, becomes wholly, and only, a means for generating cash for the licenseholder. Despite our greed and our desire for money, we live in communities with other people and over-the-air radio really needs to figure out a way to serve more than the very narrow audiences that webcasters serve if it is ultimately going to survive.
 
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This kind of debate is exactly what happens when radio, instead of being a provider of need-to-know information for the communities it serves, becomes wholly, and only, a means for generating cash for the licenseholder.

Those days ended 30 years ago. Nobody gets into radio today to generate cash. There are easier ways to do it.

If you read the biographies of Paley and Sarnoff, you realize that the inspiration behind the formation of NBC and CBS was wholly as an advertising vehicle as a means of generating cash. The minute Sarnoff saw a demo of TV, his interest in radio disappeared, and he knew that TV was a much better seller of products, and a much more profitable medium. So the history of radio & TV is based on making money.

The public interest thing was imposed by the government. It was not something the founders or owners at the time cared much about. As evidenced by the Minow speech and the creation of public broadcasting over 50 years ago. The fact that the government is now willing to blow it all up shows how little even they care about serving the public. It is not the motivator you seem to think it is or was.
 
Traffic reports are necessary in big markets (like Los Angeles). You don't want a ton of distracted-driving crashes caused by people looking up the 405 road conditions on their phone, right? So they listen to KNX (or one of the music stations in drive time) for conditions on the 405, 91, I-5, etc.
Traffic reports are daily things in Boise. I-84 is always backed up for miles heading west from Boise during rush hour, and the same with Eagle Road (ID-55) and Chinden (US-20/26). Likewise, the only "rush hour" in Cascade was Friday afternoons during summer season, stop and go through town with 100s of campers, RVs, SUVs and trucks towing boats :giggle:

Speaking of en-tification, even popular apps are falling to this. Like Duolingo, the language-learning app. Over the course of the past couple of years, they cut most of their staff and replaced it with AI, removed community discussions which were great resources, and they replaced the heart system with an energy bar...plenty of complaints from users.
 
Bank of America loves to have only one teller at the counter, no matter how long the line is, and another employee standing around, whose only purpose is to try to get the people waiting in line to use the ATM instead.

I wonder how they deal with knowing that if they were successful at their job, they'd be out of a job.

Not everything is based on saving money or firing staff. To me, I find ATMs far more convenient than tellers. I like to have access to MY money on MY time, not theirs. I think what we're seeing in media, with people preferring to watch on their schedule rather than "appointment viewing" is an indication that maybe this is bigger than just saving money or eliminating staff.

What I've learned is that as some jobs go away, other new jobs open up. There's always work to do. My ancestors herded goats. No reason for me to follow in their footsteps.
 
Yes, plenty of former bank tellers or radio hosts are now Wal-Mart greeters or Uber Eats delivery drivers.

If that's what they aspire to, sure. But there are lots of other ways to apply the skills and knowledge from those jobs.

I know a lot of former radio people in politics, public relations, technology, and even a few recording artists.

The former bank tellers I knew got deeper into financial services, stock brokerage, or accounting.

The advice I give is look for a way to use your knowledge & talent in ways where people hire you for YOU, not to fill a slot.
 
If you count reporting on moose/bear sightings announced on the radio I do traffic reports up here too :)
Traffic is traffic, no matter what it might be.
 
Traffic is traffic, no matter what it might be.

In fact, my 8am news headline a few days ago, was a bear sighting near the school in one village. The teacher texted me at like 759 as the last song of the hour was about to end, right before i read two national news headlines locally.. so i made it my lead.
 
Also, if you're in a daypart where there WAS a live host before, the same AI voices are replacing them. But so far, I haven't heard an AI voice say anything worth talking about.
Keep in mind that, at least until when the web brought us “instant contact” with others, broadcasters provided “your friend on the radio”. In other words, a radio station reached out and, to borrow a phrase, touched someone (by the way, one of advertising’s best human contact campaigns).

Today, listeners are far less likely to want or even like some person behind a mkike jabbering when they have texts, FaceTime et al.
 
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It depends if they "turned their backs" on you when they found better alternatives, or you drove them away and caused them to seek better alternatives... or a combination of both.

Here is what I think. It's a combination of factors that were in different proportions depending on where on the timeline you look.

As I said earlier, the addition of more FMs during the 1980s in markets that had stable distribution of ad revenue prior to those additions made some FMs (new and old) less viable. That was also when audience migration from AM was beginning to happen in greater numbers; that mitigated some of the impact on the FMs those listeners moved to but degraded the viability of the AMs.

The stations (on both bands) whose ad revenue dropped to a point where they could no longer maintain their programming at the same level of quality made changes ... out of necessity. It's not a coincidence that the first two Satellite Music Network formats began operation in 1981, and Transtar's first formats debuted that same year. By the end of the decade, the combined number of stations affiliated with one or the other of those two services was well over 1,000.

That solved the problem of payroll for an airstaff for those stations that invested in the infrastructure to use those services. Others in the same predicament opted for traditional automation, with reels of tape for the music (with or without generic announcing). Either way, though, any listeners who became upset by a live and local personality "going missing" at the least changed stations or in the worst-case scenario invested in personal audio devices (e.g. the Sony Walkman, which conveniently made its debut in 1979).

For some stations, the switch to either satellite or automation included a format change because of stronger new competitors, and that -- unsurprisingly -- caused more changes in listener behavior.

Things stabilized somewhat in the late 1980s and 1990s, but there were still a lot of stations operating in the red and in some cases, format changes happened as fast as the audience adjusted to the previous ones. All of that was very likely perceived as "ruining radio" by the listeners, but we in the industry were just trying to stay afloat and viable.

Then we got a double whammy as the new century began. Both Sirius and XM started operation within a few months of each other in 2001-2002, and the Internet was starting to move from slow dial-up service to faster DSL and cable speeds. The latter made it possible for streaming to take off as a service, and by necessity pretty much all of the early streams were announcer-free because there was zero revenue to pay anybody (and paid streaming wasn't part of the equation early on).

The listeners who were already fed up with the changes we had to make in the previous decade started migrating to non-OTA sources. And then word of mouth "promotion" manifested, not unexpectedly but still devastatingly. I don't have to outline what happened from there to the present.

And so it was a combination of factors. Yes, we did drive some listeners away because of the changes we had to make due to the changing landscape of ad revenue distribution (although I suspect some listeners, especially younger ones who didn't have any real memories of the way radio was in the 1960s and 1970s, actually liked the "less talk" approach, and they kept us afloat for a long time).

The bigger problem -- and in some ways a "chicken and egg" conundrum -- was that the ad revenue split changes, applied to lower revenue as overall terrestrial broadcast radio listening declined, forced even more draconian measures. Consolidation and allowing greater ownership per-market caps solved that for a while, but there continues to be audience erosion and (despite what iHeart, Audacy, and the NAB would have you believe) further adjustments to that model are not going to be any more successful than what has already been achieved. Hell, we are already seeing that Connoisseur is using a variation of the same playbook as they make changes at the former Alpha Media stations.

Despite what some have erroneously perceived in my posts, I no longer find SiriusXM to be much of a threat, nor do I find the paid streams to be much of one either now. The overall economy is causing a lot of paid subscriptions to be cancelled as people adjust their personal budgets -- and cable television is actually hurting a lot more than radio right now because of that belt-tightening -- and I suspect that the free streams are going to find, just as OTA radio did, that ad revenue split too many ways results in a lot of non-viability. (And as far as the "hobbyist" streams go, there's a vicious circle already happening there, as the hosting services raise their rates because as streams discontinue the costs have to be spread among the remaining clients, so there will eventually be a breaking point there as well.)

I believe there is still hope for OTA radio, because the way we program now is closer to what the listeners expect, based on the streams, the podcasts, and SXM. And if I am correct about people dropping paid services because of the economy, there will be more tolerance of the advertising because there will be a realization (even if only subconsciously) that those are making the radio programming free.

It's not over yet. Not by a long shot.

Thus endeth the K.M. Richards version of the Sermon on the Mount, but without the passages in Matthew 5-7. You may resume your normal arguing now.
 
Besides, if your radio station is still breaking for weather -- why?? It's not 1980 anymore. Everyone has the latest forecast on their phone and they know what the day will be like before they walk out the door in the morning.
No I don't. All of the oldies radio stations I listen to have forecasts several times an hour. The one I quit listening to because it moved too much into the 80s had the chief meteorologist from the CBS station and probably still does. Which is advertising for the TV station.

I've had to turn to going online to find out what the low and high were because TV stations often don't feel the need to tell us these details, which is very strange. And finding this information online is actually not easy.
 
I've had to turn to going online to find out what the low and high were because TV stations often don't feel the need to tell us these details, which is very strange. And finding this information online is actually not easy.
Actually not difficult at all. I tend to use the National Weather Service. Here's the last three days at Charlotte Airport:


You can access this for your nearest observation site by going to Weather.gov, typing in your ZIP code, and choosing "Three Day History."
I have no idea what is common in N.C., but most of the evening newscasts I see include today's observations in their main weather segment. The morning news rarely covers yesterday's weather, unless it was exceptional (very hot/cold/rainy).

All of the oldies radio stations I listen to have forecasts several times an hour.
Several times an hour is way too much. Once or maybe twice. The weather forecast doesn't change often enough to require "several" repeats each hour.
 


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