Avi Nelson, get a grip

[jane grant]

poor Avi sounds like Fred Thompson trying to get some traction. Good voice, bad opinions. It amazes me that the majority of the people in Massachusetts would rather listen to something else and Entercom goes against the grain. Gotta have those Red Sox win a world series to keep the advertisers happy. The "hosts", such as they are on these shows, certainly can't carry the old boat. RKO is sinking fast.

 

[Casablanca]

you mean reports of his death as a talk show host were greatly exaggerated?

poor Avi sounds like Fred Thompson trying to get some traction. Good voice, bad opinions. It amazes me that the majority of the people in Massachusetts would rather listen to something else and Entercom goes against the grain. Gotta have those Red Sox win a world series to keep the advertisers happy. The "hosts", such as they are on these shows, certainly can't carry the old boat. RKO is sinking fast.

 

[raccoonradio]

bad opinions?
Oddly enough the majority of people in this state (at least east of the Connecticut river) couldn't
support Air America yet conservative radio thrives

 

[jane grant]

Conservative radio is supported by the Republicans, Raccoon, and you are one of the few voices 'defending the faith'.

Reverse the positions, Raccoon - put Howie & Michelle McPhee on KISS AM and give
Ed Schultz and Randi WRKO. you want to see WRKO do better? That's easy - give the people in the blue state what they want. Your opinion is so slanted - imagine a baseball game where umpires call a ball a "strike" on Manny Ramirez (actually, you don't have to imagine it). That's what we have for "Conservative" radio, the fix is in.

IF your theory were true why did Nikki Tsongas beat her opponent by a nice margin for two political novices. It might not have been double digits but it was impressive while the Republican had what you call the "thriving" conservative radio behind him.

You never answer the questions -you make statements without facts.

Republicans tried to strip NPR's ability to give news coverage
because it wasn't the garbage coming out of the White House

if you call Scott Snowjob and Tony McClellan news then what are you doing in radio?

Just because the majority of the country wanted Al Gore and a Supreme Court judge annointed Bush - who controls the FCC - is no reason for you to say
"Conservative talk is thriving." Ask Hugo Chavez how to make a country listen to what he wants them to hear.

That's all Bush is doing. And the chatter on the internet from the progressives is far more intensive and accurate than the johnny-come-lately types on the right.

The next move of the "right" is to call this a conspiracy theory. Oh please.
Bush controls the FCC and as long as he does expect bad radio propaganda 24/7

 

[raccoonradio]

I am an independent btw. Both parties suck. I tend to lean conservative on most issues but am
lib/mod on a couple. In this state moderates might as well be considered arch conservatives.
I might have registered Democrat if not for the fact that belonging to the same party as "Botched
Joke" Kerry would make me shudder. Have another Chivas, Ted. Sure, drive Mary Jo back to
the Edgartown ferry. They, er, uh, tried to get me to , er, go to, er rehab and I said, er, no, no, no.

The Dem party did have a conservative wing once; this was back in the days when they won
all the Southern states instead of losing them all (had Tenn. gone Gore's way--his home state--
he would have been President; had N.C. gone for Edwards and his running mate Kerry, they
would have been elected. "A National Party No More"--by Democrat Zell Miller.)

Put lib radio on and if it succeeds so be it. I'm for capitalism not government-forced "fairness".
Half the country voted Democratic so why does lib radio fail?
I have said before btw I would prefer WRKO put Steph Miller on instead of Savage.

If Nikki's last name weren't Tsongas and didn't get people like Bill "Under the Oval Office
Desk With Monica" Clinton to campaign for her would she have won?...actually I wish her well. I don't hate her but I
prob would have agreed with Ogonowski on issues like immigration.Kudos to Nikki for condemning
the remarks of former Cong. Chet "Not The Country Perfomer" Atkins.

Are there any conservatives on NPR? Why not? Where's the fairness?

 

[ChrisNH]

Conservative radio is supported by the Republicans

Do chime in with your take on Media Matters, the organization that Hillary Clinton co-founded and which the mainstream media uses as their unfettered 'source.' So while it's cute to suggest that 'conservative radio is supported by the Republicans,' it's just as obvious that the mainstream media enables and is completely propped up by the Democrats.

Indeed, Democrat money is pouring into the tin cups of 'esteemed' (but failing) liberal media institutions like The Boston Globe, ABC, MSNBC, The NYT and all the rest. As enablers to their 'Hillary at all costs' war chant, the Democrats are only too happy to keep these creaky, biased media ships afloat. Clearly not able to fund their operations thanks to plummeting readership/viewership and evaporating ad revenues, the Democrats see the need to inject their own money to make sure the bully pulpits stay 'bully.'

 

[jane grant]

Again, people with an agenda have taken the initial discussion into a different realm. This is about Avi Nelson and WRKO's failure to connect.

Last I checked, WRKO, Rush, Hannity, O'Reilly ARE the "Mainstream Media". They don't get censored the way Keith Olbermann (quick vacation after his story on the Ohio vote), Bill Maher, Dan Rather and others are censored. Touchy touchy talking about Bush's D.U.I. or his failure to live up to his obligations to the military.

Avi Nelson was the "mainstream media" and now he's on the "mainstream media". The Globe and the NY Times spread much too much conservative propaganda in an attempt to be "fair and balanced" while FOX and most Conservatives call themselves "Fair and Balanced" while lying about it and spreading misinformation.

Get a grip was the second part of this title and it stands. We could go on forever and get banished to OFF THE AIR - fact is, Avi Nelson just doesn't have it anymore and his politics are way over the top. That
Democrats win in a state that has the "Mainstream Media" against them speaks volumes and proves my point.

 

[FPB]

> yet conservative radio thrives
>
Oh. Is that what WRKO is doing?

 

[raccoonradio]

Ratings for Air America Boston since Dec '06: 0.0
(off air)

The mainstream media is the TV networks and big papers though yes you're right in some ways
conservative talk radio could be considered mainstream. Dan Rather was censored because he
was "fake, but accurate" (political agenda for a newsman even to the point of going with a story
with fake documents; a sad end for a good newsman. Courage.)

It's been said there are more liberals on Fox News than conservatives on the other channels, but
the success of Fox News has led to the hiring of the likes of Glenn Beck on CNN Headline News
("a conservative but not necessarily a Republican")

>>And his politics are way over the top.

Not subdued like the folks on Air America. Avi was a legend of talk radio here--if you can find a copy
read TALK RADIO AND THE AMERICAN DREAM by Murray Levin ; spotlighted Avi and Jerry Williams.

http://worldcat.org/wcpa/ow/57f59f5aa899f565a19afeb4da09e526.html

In some ways conservative talk radio here is an alternative to the hugely Democratically dominated
state. Or it appeals to those who would have been considered "conservative Democrats" before.

 

[infrequency]

My memory of Avi Nelson is that in his former go-around he was far more reasoned in his opinions and talk. He was conservative to be sure but the points were presented and argued fairly for the most part.

I share the original poster’s disappointment at his work this time out. First, his topic choices reflect the sophomoric that is de rigueur at stations like WRKO. That may be out of his hands.

More troubling is his adoption of the conservative roadmap for issue presentation, which is as follows:

1. Misstate the Democrats’ position on the issue (e.g., “those libs always support runaway spending”)
2. Argue against the misstated position (runaway spending is bad)
3. Argue that the Republicans support the correct position (fiscal control)

Rinse. Lather. Repeat. A good talkmeister would be able to correctly state the opponent’s position and argue against it. The fairness doctrine made that happen. Now that the dissent is quieted on these stations, it cannot be made to happen. That does not mean that it must never happen, and it is sad to see someone like Nelson – who we’ve seen as having the intellectual discipline to confront an issue on fair terms – resort to this tactic described.

 

[dumber than a box of hair]

you want to see WRKO do better? That's easy - give the people in the blue state what they want. Your opinion is so slanted - imagine a baseball game where umpires call a ball a "strike" on Manny Ramirez (actually, you don't have to imagine it). That's what we have for "Conservative" radio, the fix is in.

Remarks such as these just prove why the continually clueless who populate this board remain...well, clueless. The theory that preaching to the choir brings better ratings in talk radio has been demolished so many times, and by so many radio programmers much more expert than I, that it's not worth repeating here. WRKO's multi-faceted failings aside, suffice it to say that a talk show in which every listener and every caller agrees with the host puts listeners to sleep or spurs them to change the station...a fact repeatedly proven by the ratings for talk radio all across the country.

 

[Rick in Duxbury]

Avi Nelson is ridiculed by Jane because he has the temerity to be civil. I may not be a "pro" but I know the difference between "rhetoric" (blah, blah, blah) and "debate", i.e. an exchange where someone is demonstrably right or wrong and takes responsibility for their assertions. Olbermann, Maher and Rather are "censored"? I'm one of the dozen people who can get Rather on HD Net. I don't do it because his show sucks. Like the vast majority of America, I choose not to watch Olbermann make a fool of himself, preaching to the choir that will drop him like a bad habit when he can't function as an echo chamber, (see Randi Rhodes, others). Maher censored? I get his podcast weekly for free. (I hear this interweb thing is all the rage). If being a "pro" confers the right to deem a 51%,(Ted Kennedy-Deval Patrick-DNC backed) victory in MASSACHUSETTS a decisive victory, thanks, I'll retain my amateur status. Pros are needed to sell SUV's and variable-rate mortgages, apparently. BTW, I'm unenrolled. I don't need a "Fairness Doctrine" to tell me how to think. Last time I checked, people want to move FROM Cuba and Russia to the US, not the other way around. "The Globe and the NY Times spread much too much conservative propaganda ". Honey, take the tinfoil hat off, you're picking up Art Bell!

 

[Mickey37]

The Globe and the NY Times spread much too much conservative propaganda in an attempt to be "fair and balanced" while FOX and most Conservatives call themselves "Fair and Balanced" while lying about it and spreading misinformation.

fact is, Avi Nelson just doesn't have it anymore and his politics are way over the top. That Democrats win in a state that has the "Mainstream Media" against them speaks volumes and proves my point.

Where to start.....?

The Globe and the Times conservative? I rad those papers daily, and while they may not be AS left-leaning as they once were, it's not by much.

Once again, people claiming their "opinion" as fact. There is a difference.

Democrats win in this state with the backing of the local mainstream media (Globe, for example), in spite of the national voices that are piped in. If the voters took the time to read up on all the candidates and the issues, that might change, but don't look for that. But that's a topic for a different bulletin board.

Jane, I respect your opinions. Makes for interesting reading.

 

[NHRonin]

The Globe and the NY Times spread much too much conservative propaganda in an attempt to be "fair and balanced" while FOX and most Conservatives call themselves "Fair and Balanced" while lying about it and spreading misinformation.

fact is, Avi Nelson just doesn't have it anymore and his politics are way over the top. That Democrats win in a state that has the "Mainstream Media" against them speaks volumes and proves my point.

Where to start.....?

The Globe and the Times conservative? I rad those papers daily, and while they may not be AS left-leaning as they once were, it's not by much.

Once again, people claiming their "opinion" as fact. There is a difference.

Democrats win in this state with the backing of the local mainstream media (Globe, for example), in spite of the national voices that are piped in. If the voters took the time to read up on all the candidates and the issues, that might change, but don't look for that. But that's a topic for a different bulletin board.

Jane, I respect your opinions. Makes for interesting reading.

I respect her right to her opinion but as one poster said, time to take off the tin foil hat. If Howie Carr were still on-air, she'd elicit the classic soundbite that goes...."moooonbat."

 

[Finn]

Can't prove it, but I am pretty sure that whoever Jane is, (s)he's not a girl. Kind of irks me that someone with such bad arguments (a la ChrisNH) is pretending to be one of us.

 

[ChrisNH]

Can't prove it, but I am pretty sure that whoever Jane is, (s)he's not a girl. Kind of irks me that someone with such bad arguments (a la ChrisNH) is pretending to be one of us.

Don't flatter yourself TOO much. Why would anyone outside the radio industry want to 'pretend to be' one of your ilk? If you're in today's radio industry, you're to be mocked and laughed at...not idolized in any way, manner or form. But it is enjoyable to see the rabid incestuousness of your industry at play on these boards, with people on 'the inside' loving every hue of rose that shines through their similarly-colored glasses.

'Pretending to be one of us...' That's rich. Really.

 

[Finn]

Can't prove it, but I am pretty sure that whoever Jane is, (s)he's not a girl. Kind of irks me that someone with such bad arguments (a la ChrisNH) is pretending to be one of us.

Don't flatter yourself TOO much. Why would anyone outside the radio industry want to 'pretend to be' one of your ilk? If you're in today's radio industry, you're to be mocked and laughed at...not idolized in any way, manner or form. But it is enjoyable to see the rabid incestuousness of your industry at play on these boards, with people on 'the inside' loving every hue of rose that shines through their similarly-colored glasses.

'Pretending to be one of us...' That's rich. Really.

;D ;D ;D

uh, pretending to be one of 'us' referred to my being a girl. I thought it was pretty clear the first time, but I'll try one more time.

"Jane" is not really a girl, but is pretending to be one.
Jane makes bad arguments which, IMHO, undermines the liberal point of view.
Others on this board, correctly pointing out flaws in the arguments, are referring to Jane as 'her.'
This irks me.

Chris, are you capable of formulating an argument without getting all huffy?

 

[radiodouble]

Can't prove it, but I am pretty sure that whoever Jane is, (s)he's not a girl. Kind of irks me that someone with such bad arguments (a la ChrisNH) is pretending to be one of us.

Don't flatter yourself TOO much. Why would anyone outside the radio industry want to 'pretend to be' one of your ilk? If you're in today's radio industry, you're to be mocked and laughed at...not idolized in any way, manner or form. But it is enjoyable to see the rabid incestuousness of your industry at play on these boards, with people on 'the inside' loving every hue of rose that shines through their similarly-colored glasses.

'Pretending to be one of us...' That's rich. Really.

;D ;D ;D

uh, pretending to be one of 'us' referred to my being a girl. I thought it was pretty clear the first time, but I'll try one more time.

"Jane" is not really a girl, but is pretending to be one.
Jane makes bad arguments which, IMHO, undermines the liberal point of view.
Others on this board, correctly pointing out flaws in the arguments, are referring to Jane as 'her.'
This irks me.

Chris, are you capable of formulating an argument without getting all huffy?

maybe joe became jane...those things happen.

 

[Finn]

maybe joe became jane...those things happen.

Or, maybe joe's still joe, but went blond.

 

[TSBench]

uh, pretending to be one of 'us' referred to my being a girl. I thought it was pretty clear the first time, but I'll try one more time.

Perhaps posting in English was a little too subtle. Maybe you should think about getting an "Etch-A-Sketch' web browser so after 'us' you could have put a stick figure with pigtails, skirt, and Mary Janes with an arrow pointing to the word 'girl.'

"Jane" is not really a girl, but is pretending to be one.

That's where the smart money is. Or is this another way of yours of making a back-door point..that girls are smart, boys are dumb? In truth, I don't think either sex has cornered the market in insipidness.

[color=black]Jane makes bad arguments which, IMHO, undermines the liberal point of view.

Ummm...didn't we recently have this discussion concerning nitwits standing in as representatives of political philosophies? How do you like it now that the hand is on the other foot? Why not just consider that nobody posting here represents any view but his/her own, and the classification of such (liberal, conservative, libertarian, idiotic) is left to the discretion of the reader?

Others on this board, correctly pointing out flaws in the arguments, are referring to Jane as 'her.'
This irks me.[/color]

As well it should. You should also be irked by the fact that you were the only person here who gave Chris credit for being able to think his way out of a pay toilet and yet you still managed to get attacked. He may be running up a karmic deficiency which is approaching the toxic level, but your dunce-detecting skills aren't exactly setting the world on fire, either.

Chris, are you capable of formulating an argument without getting all huffy?

Ah..ha...the old debaters' trick of never asking a question to which you don't already know the answer. Caughtcha.

Regards,
TSB