B 94.5

[mistermicrophone]

DON'T PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH!!! For the record, I never called a specific sales staff inept or insutled anyone. A good sales staff can also be creative and sell the web too as they know it is an extension of the brand and if the site sees traffic, it can create revenue. I have the utmost respect for good sales people.

As for the term DJ...do a little research and find out why it's not the term of choice...for someone with your extensive backround, you should know...but I digress.

By the way, you can "program" a website. You can control the content...just like you control the content on your radio station. And sorry for using "cool radio terms"...it is RADIO-info...what was I thinking!?!

I was joking about the "cool radio terms" the terms you use are dated and only used by DJs. Do research on what a DJ is? Now I know you are joking. You dont get the humor in it? Every little title you hide behind is just an ego boost. Points are:

Radio reps sell airtime. Nowhere on the planet is there a great influx of cash from the web on a radio station.

Controlling content on a website is not programing it. Its not. Nice label however a wrong one. Programming is music, talent, promotions, positoning, training, and flow. A website is some pictures and some words. The on air product is the lifeblood. So we do agree that you do digress and we agree you were not thinking. mentioned that I did both so people would understand I did and that nobody should have such a fragile seff image that they feel the need to call themselves a title to feell better. We are all DJs or sales smucks. I am off to McDonalds to see a Culinary treat dispersal agent about dinner.

Ego boost? Where did this come from?? I was having a serious discussion about a radio tool and you turn to bashing and insulting me???

At least I have the balls to tell you who I am and let you know what my exprience is...not just "I did both sales and on-air." I put my name out there...you're the one hiding behind a screen name...who has the fragile self image?

 

[revbabe]

Wow! you really dont like to disscuss things in a rational way or like it if somebody might now bow to the great ex PD. I will stand by it. All of us folks in radio are either Jocks or sales smucks. If we arent then we are engineer geeks or number crunchers. You see Glen, there is nothing wrong with any of us understanding we are all just simple radio folk, that is untill we take ourselves so seriously, too seriously.

 

[kool]

What makes a radio station website good anyway? They all are kind of the same. "Here are our jocks, here are our shows" Sometimes they put a sponsor on it to kiss butt.

http://www.z100.com/
*Last Songs Played
*Top Songs Played
*Music Videos
*Song Downloads
*Event Photos
*Music/Entertainment News
*Station Promos
*Podcasts
*Online Contests
*Email Club (Concert Info, Site Promos, Station Promos, etc.)

All of the above will keep listeners coming back at least a few times a week.

But the biggest reason to visit the site--online streams of air signal and hd side channel. At work listeners will log on every single day to listen online.

The station will make a whole lot of revenue off banner ads and even more money from ads on the audio stream.

A website allows people to place an image with what they hear. Of course people can get music news, videos, etc anywhere, but radio sites can cross promote much more than other sites.

At the very least a station needs to have a page with contact info, top songs played, and a feature to listen online. No listen online feature means at work listeners will listen to another station that does broadcast online.

Here are some other great examples:
http://www.wdrv.com/
http://www.radioalice.com/
http://www.oldies1033.com/

 

[ameyer]

Jesus guys, how the hell did we go from a topic about the station to the website? Let me clear a few things up from the comments that have been posted:

1. Glen you are right a website can be a great tool, but I disagree with pumping the crap out of it. CC has this new thing where they promote there website at least once every hour, a little much? I think so.

2. Revbabe and Glen, everyone was just making observations! If either of you took it the wrong way, then get over it, for god sakes it is a message board, not one person who gets a diary is gonna be on this website anyway but the way that you 2 are going at each other if anyone did, what image would that project for either of the 2 stations you are talking about it? Just think about it!

3a. To the post above, I agree with all the things that you have listed, as if you needed to do any research, any CC radio station has the same thing. A couple of points though, not all radio is in HD yet, I know stations that are not scheduled to go HD until late 08 early 09. So the whole HD point is still kinda mute. I would agree if 95% of the stations in the world were already HD.

3b. I don't know too many stations that actual sell air time on the streams because in most the disclaimers and FAQ section there is a clause that goes something like this:

Question: Why do I hear different commercials, public service announcements and music when you’re regular playing commercials over the actual airwaves?

Answer: Contracts with certain voice-over actors/talent and commercial production agencies prohibit us from carrying our normal over-the-air commercials. Most of these are extracted from the stream. We then insert specials ads into the stream so you don’t hear dead air for minutes at a time. We play free public service announcements as way of helping non-profit and community groups get their messages out. We sometimes play some music, because … well, we’re radio – and we like music.

As for the G website, when I left the handling of things was passed onto a person who really didn't care much about anything but playing with his computer. When he was....well when he moved on it was handed to a person who had a problem with getting out of bed before 4 in the afternoon and took days to do anything...he was also designing the new webpage, I think he may have got the logo done. The site is really out of date and I know that we have a whole new page in design on a whole new host, the site will be alot more interactive and appealing. It would take months to fix the G site as it stands now so I said screw it and lets just make something new. It has taken a little longer than we had expected as we have run into a few things we wanted to do and it didn't look right so we have had to go back to the drawing board mnay times.

Now that you all have the skinny can we go back to talking about the station, like how the fact that a power outage on that side of town Friday took them off the air for several hours and how that may effect a new listner. I know I know opening myself up to Yeah well G is off the air every other day, well those problems have been fixed and we have had I think 1 issue since they were fixed. So can't bitch about that!

 

[Becker]

Does anyone have any interest in hearing from a plain old listener? Maybe you do and maybe you don't. I'm more of a lurker than a poster but sometimes a topic just stands out. I cannot speak for all listeners, as I'm sure there always going to be exceptions, but here's how we hear it when we listen to you:

1. The whole dead air issue really isn't an issue at all. When listening to a radio station that suddenly goes off the air, we notice. If it's a short span of time, say one to three minutes, we'll most likely wait to see if it comes back on. Any longer than that, we'll flip the dial and try again later.

2. How radio folk got the idea that listeners are somehow not aware that snow storms, thunder storms and other weather related occurences affect radio transmission is really over my head. We all know that these things are going to affect radio stations just like they affect our cable TV and our internet services. We get it. We also get it that sometimes you just have to ride it out. We know you're taking care of it in the best way you can.

3. We really DO care about your web sites if you have them. We like you even more if we can pick you up over the internet. Those of us who have worked in offices with other people are aware that everyone wants to hear something different on the radio. I hate country music so I'd go absolutely insane if I had to listen to it all day at work. With the ability to stream your radio stations quietly at our own desks, we don't have that problem.

We also care if your web site is up to date. That's our source to find your phone number to your request line. Surely not all of us can memorize your phone numbers especially if it's not a phone number with your call letters in it and especially if we can't remember if it starts with 237, 238, 234, etc.

4. We really have no idea what goes on behind the scenes of a radio station. So when you come here and post it, all you're really doing is telling us about your own goofs. You're kind of shooting yourselves in the foot when you do. However, we're a forgiving bunch and we make blunders in our jobs, so not a big deal.

5. When it comes to the actual programming of the station, if we like what we hear, we keep on listening. Plain and simple. If we don't like the music you play, we either flip the dial to another station or turn on our iPods. For talk radio fans, if we like the talk show, we really don't care about anything but the hosts since they are usually the guiding force behind keeping our attention honed into them and what they have to say.

So, those are some real facts from a real, non-radio person who is just a listener.

 

[revbabe]

Is there such a thing as a "non radio person" on the radio-info boards? How does that happen?

 

[shilton]

Jesus guys, how the hell did we go from a topic about the station to the website?

Yep...gotta agree with AJ on this one. This topic has gotten so far off-track its rediculous. Its supposed to be a thread discussing B94.5 and so far other than knowing they have a nice "flashy website", we hear nothing else at all. Similarly surprising to me is the fact that there is a G vs. B thread asking for comparisons and comment and other than Spackler's initial post and my comment on Weekend Programming, no one has touched it.

We all oughta go out and get a job for Santorum or Casey and help them write their campaign ads as much mud slinging is going on here anymore. What ever happened to real discussion (even if not intelligent). Heck, people bashed me for my posts all the time...said they disagreed and I was full of it, etc...but at least I try to talk the biz.

Can we please get back to the radio discussions? Or is it true that the consolodiation in this marketplace has the market locked down so tight anymore that no one seems to have an opinion of their own anymore to share?

 

[Hermes]

Talk is cheap...some may prefer to let the numbers do the talking.

 

[shilton]

Talk is cheap...some may prefer to let the numbers do the talking.

Numbers as in SALES...or RATINGS??? Hot had decent ratings and still went down the tubes...and well.....G101's sales are doing rather well regardless as to what the Ratings have to say which just goes to show...the ratings are not necessarily the be-all and end all in either scenario.

I tend to find that people who hide behind the glory of the books are usually somewhat short sighted as the book can totally change in 6 months time.

Sure, its nice to have the ratings...don't get me wrong...but the ratings can fade as fast as they came. What a shame if all we have to talk about is slamming each other and about how wonderful, or poor our ratings are. Seems to me this market really is becomming boring these days...but then again, lack of competition tends to stiffle creativity.

Now if possible, I'd like to TRY and get this thread back on track. I again ask the same question that Spackler asked before. Anyone care to comment or make an assessment on B94.5's structure, rotation, airstaff or otherwise?

 

[ameyer]

It is very intresting the fact that people get on here and just trash talk everybody else. For god sakes grow up. Most of you act like little children when you see something you don't like or you feel you have to instigate something. Makes me really want to say that I am in the same buisness as most of you. The guy a couple threads up that is the listner made a good point, Why do we have to get on here and air our dirty laundry. Look at some of the other boards. There is not nealry as much bickering and BS being thrown around as on this one. So lets all try to be adults and talk about radio and not how my dad can beat up your dad, cause I honestly grew out of the stage when I was 15, and it makes me sick to think a group of adults can sit around all day and just be a bunch of asses. Sure if somebody makes a personal attack at me well then it is on. If somebody wants to make a smart ass comment about the programming of the station then I will slap it right back in your lap once or twice and then take the high road and just not comment anymore. Now, If you want to be mature about it and ask a question or leave a comment then I will gladly listen/read what you have to say and answer your questions or let you know what I think of your comment. So piece of advice for people who come on here just to stir crap up....GROW UP!!!!!!!! or get over yourself one of the 2.

 

[Becker]

Is there such a thing as a "non radio person" on the radio-info boards? How does that happen?

Oh my, Ms. Babe, you must be quite young. Are you over 25 yet?

You see Ms. Babe, we have this neat little thing called the internet and anyone from the whole entire world can find stuff on here. Since I like radio, I thought I would check out this site. And lo and behold, there was a section about State College on here. Now I'm just yanking your chain so don't go all Fatal Attraction on me okay toots? ;D

For the record and to be on topic, I DO like B-94.5. 8)

And the Ameyer person is also correct. I too, like him, got over the "my dad can beat up your dad" long ago. Your sniping reveals how immature a group this really can be when it wants to be. The other boards really do not engage in these types of conversations. They really are talking about radio.

Do what we old folks do...grab yourself a nice alcoholic beverage, read the topics and comment as you feel...but try to stay on topic.

Peace~

 

[Spackler1]

Ho hum. Radio Raven has returned with a different handle. Why is it always an age thing with you? Somebody has a differing opinion, or in this case just asks a question, and you turn it into "I'm older than you therefore smarter than you".

You're more than welcome to post your "just a listener" opinion on the B94.5/G101 comparison thread, by the way.

 

[Becker]

Ho hum. Radio Raven has returned with a different handle. Why is it always an age thing with you? Somebody has a differing opinion, or in this case just asks a question, and you turn it into "I'm older than you therefore smarter than you".

You're more than welcome to post your "just a listener" opinion on the B94.5/G101 comparison thread, by the way.

Just different handle because of an email address change so cool your jets there Spack!

There's an obvious age difference and I can usually figure out the general age of the posters on here because of what they write, how they write and the reaction they have to certain subjects.

And there is no where that I've ever posted that older means smarter. I know quite a few young men and women who are quite mature and have excelled marvelously in what they do.

But, the truth is that if you follow this particular market's forum, there is quite a bit of immature sniping. And some of the older folks really try not to engage. Steve Hilton is obviously in his 30's and so is Glen Turner. The 20 somethings show their age. Plain and simple.

And if I recall, this particular thread was about what people think of B-94.5, not a comparison with G101. And I've already weighed in on that. I like B-94.5.

Sorry dude but I'm old, I see things through a different set of eyes. It's quite natural for it to come up in a topic.

 

[ameyer]

Wait Wait, so you are saying that you can tell how old a person is by how they write, Well I hate to say this but you are way off on Revbabe, as she is well over 30, I know her,

So for [EDIT] you have read my posts how old am I?

Lets see if this theory actually holds any water



[EDIT-profanity]

 

[revbabe]

AJ,

Its not nice to tell a womans age....

Becker, or whoever you were and are, dully noted you should now feel secure that we all know you like that exact radio station since it has a "cool" website and for older and wiser people thats what makes or breaks a radio station. Us "dumb kids" will now skimper off as you have put us in our wipper snapper place.

Look, G101 has made bounds, nobody is arguing with that. Forever opened a big door then might of realized too late what they did. This b94 thing can save face for them by it being a repositioning. B94 has a heck of a battle. Both sound good. With a town like State College where there are so many people as young as we are (I just had too) why would you program otherwise? 70 some percent below 26....then the students. Both stations have a story. One has a great website and the other station likes the radio side of radio......

 

[mistermicrophone]

AJ,

Its not nice to tell a womans age....

Becker, or whoever you were and are, dully noted you should now feel secure that we all know you like that exact radio station since it has a "cool" website and for older and wiser people thats what makes or breaks a radio station. Us "dumb kids" will now skimper off as you have put us in our wipper snapper place.

Look, G101 has made bounds, nobody is arguing with that. Forever opened a big door then might of realized too late what they did. This b94 thing can save face for them by it being a repositioning. B94 has a heck of a battle. Both sound good. With a town like State College where there are so many people as young as we are (I just had too) why would you program otherwise? 70 some percent below 26....then the students. Both stations have a story. One has a great website and the other station likes the radio side of radio......

How can B94.5 save face for Forever??

 

[ameyer]

Glen,

I think what she is saying is that Hot just went away, and nothing was given to those listners by Forever for what 3 months. Now after telling everybody the only game in town is 101 they are trying again. Sure if the repostion right they can see some numbers.

My opinion is that if Forever does not see numbers in the first book, then they will get rid of it and try something new. Of course that is just my opinion. I don't work there and I don't know how the company does things but I am specualting as to what has happened in the past say 2 years that I am not too far off, then again maybe I am

 

[revbabe]

Kinda like when you jump into the water and all too late understanding how cold it was.

 

[Spackler1]

Glen,

I think what she is saying is that Hot just went away, and nothing was given to those listners by Forever for what 3 months. Now after telling everybody the only game in town is 101 they are trying again. Sure if the repostion right they can see some numbers.

My opinion is that if Forever does not see numbers in the first book, then they will get rid of it and try something new. Of course that is just my opinion. I don't work there and I don't know how the company does things but I am specualting as to what has happened in the past say 2 years that I am not too far off, then again maybe I am

I think the point here is that B94.5 isn't a Forever property, so they can't "get rid of it". Certainly what 2510 does will depend on how successful they are in selling it.

 

[mistermicrophone]

Glen,

I think what she is saying is that Hot just went away, and nothing was given to those listners by Forever for what 3 months. Now after telling everybody the only game in town is 101 they are trying again. Sure if the repostion right they can see some numbers.

My opinion is that if Forever does not see numbers in the first book, then they will get rid of it and try something new. Of course that is just my opinion. I don't work there and I don't know how the company does things but I am specualting as to what has happened in the past say 2 years that I am not too far off, then again maybe I am

AJ,

B94.5 is NOT owned by Forever, it is owned by 2510 Associates/Results Radio of PA.