With Q106 moving west a bit into Vermont, can 106.3 in Nashua move it's tower north a bit towards Manchester and maybe go up to a full 6kw class a? I never understood why they didn't place their tower in say Litchfield or Merrimack? This would give them a city grade signal over Manchester and Nashua.
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B106.3..err..I mean Frank
- Thread starter djjim6629
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> With Q106 moving west a bit into Vermont, can 106.3 in
> Nashua move it's tower north a bit towards Manchester and
> maybe go up to a full 6kw class a? I never understood why
> they didn't place their tower in say Litchfield or
> Merrimack? This would give them a city grade signal over
> Manchester and Nashua.
>
One reason is that they get an excellent signal into Lowell and the Merrimack Valley of MA. And, they have a nice tall tower on a high point in Hudson, NH - a great spot from which to serve the border areas. In the past, I suppose they considered it better to have a great signal into northern MA than into the Manchester area as it's serves a larger audience.
I suppose the validity of your theory depends on which towns are included in the Manchester market and which are in Boston (i.e. Where's the line?). Also, are they aiming to be a Manchester station or a NW suburban Boston one superserving Nashua/Salem/Lowell. When it was B-106.3, they often sounded indecisive on this point.
Remember, these border areas are growing very rapidly - even more so than metro Manchester. Income levels are also quite high in this area.
Where they are now puts an excellent signal into the Nashua/Salem/Lowell areas. A move further north would certainly make them more of a Manchester station and less of a Nashua/border areas one. Fine if that's what Nassau wants to do - but I am not sure that they want to.
> Nashua move it's tower north a bit towards Manchester and
> maybe go up to a full 6kw class a? I never understood why
> they didn't place their tower in say Litchfield or
> Merrimack? This would give them a city grade signal over
> Manchester and Nashua.
>
One reason is that they get an excellent signal into Lowell and the Merrimack Valley of MA. And, they have a nice tall tower on a high point in Hudson, NH - a great spot from which to serve the border areas. In the past, I suppose they considered it better to have a great signal into northern MA than into the Manchester area as it's serves a larger audience.
I suppose the validity of your theory depends on which towns are included in the Manchester market and which are in Boston (i.e. Where's the line?). Also, are they aiming to be a Manchester station or a NW suburban Boston one superserving Nashua/Salem/Lowell. When it was B-106.3, they often sounded indecisive on this point.
Remember, these border areas are growing very rapidly - even more so than metro Manchester. Income levels are also quite high in this area.
Where they are now puts an excellent signal into the Nashua/Salem/Lowell areas. A move further north would certainly make them more of a Manchester station and less of a Nashua/border areas one. Fine if that's what Nassau wants to do - but I am not sure that they want to.
> > With Q106 moving west a bit into Vermont, can 106.3 in
> > Nashua move it's tower north a bit towards Manchester and
> > maybe go up to a full 6kw class a? I never understood why
>
> > they didn't place their tower in say Litchfield or
> > Merrimack? This would give them a city grade signal over
> > Manchester and Nashua.
> >
> One reason is that they get an excellent signal into Lowell
> and the Merrimack Valley of MA. And, they have a nice tall
> tower on a high point in Hudson, NH - a great spot from
> which to serve the border areas. In the past, I suppose
> they considered it better to have a great signal into
> northern MA than into the Manchester area as it's serves a
> larger audience.
>
> I suppose the validity of your theory depends on which towns
> are included in the Manchester market and which are in
> Boston (i.e. Where's the line?). Also, are they aiming to
> be a Manchester station or a NW suburban Boston one
> superserving Nashua/Salem/Lowell. When it was B-106.3, they
> often sounded indecisive on this point.
>
> Remember, these border areas are growing very rapidly - even
> more so than metro Manchester. Income levels are also quite
> high in this area.
>
> Where they are now puts an excellent signal into the
> Nashua/Salem/Lowell areas. A move further north would
> certainly make them more of a Manchester station and less of
> a Nashua/border areas one. Fine if that's what Nassau wants
> to do - but I am not sure that they want to.
>
The bottom line is this: They'd do better in the arbitrons if they put a better signal into Manchester! Thay barely scratch the Boston book! So the question is this...Is Nassau concerned more with higher Manchester arbitrons or lower Manchester arbitron's and better Lowell/Lawrence/Chelmsford coverage? I'd think they'd be more focused on raising their Manchester arbs...
> > Nashua move it's tower north a bit towards Manchester and
> > maybe go up to a full 6kw class a? I never understood why
>
> > they didn't place their tower in say Litchfield or
> > Merrimack? This would give them a city grade signal over
> > Manchester and Nashua.
> >
> One reason is that they get an excellent signal into Lowell
> and the Merrimack Valley of MA. And, they have a nice tall
> tower on a high point in Hudson, NH - a great spot from
> which to serve the border areas. In the past, I suppose
> they considered it better to have a great signal into
> northern MA than into the Manchester area as it's serves a
> larger audience.
>
> I suppose the validity of your theory depends on which towns
> are included in the Manchester market and which are in
> Boston (i.e. Where's the line?). Also, are they aiming to
> be a Manchester station or a NW suburban Boston one
> superserving Nashua/Salem/Lowell. When it was B-106.3, they
> often sounded indecisive on this point.
>
> Remember, these border areas are growing very rapidly - even
> more so than metro Manchester. Income levels are also quite
> high in this area.
>
> Where they are now puts an excellent signal into the
> Nashua/Salem/Lowell areas. A move further north would
> certainly make them more of a Manchester station and less of
> a Nashua/border areas one. Fine if that's what Nassau wants
> to do - but I am not sure that they want to.
>
The bottom line is this: They'd do better in the arbitrons if they put a better signal into Manchester! Thay barely scratch the Boston book! So the question is this...Is Nassau concerned more with higher Manchester arbitrons or lower Manchester arbitron's and better Lowell/Lawrence/Chelmsford coverage? I'd think they'd be more focused on raising their Manchester arbs...
J
Jack_Johnson
Guest
> The bottom line is this: They'd do better in the arbitrons
> if they put a better signal into Manchester! Thay barely
> scratch the Boston book! So the question is this...Is
> Nassau concerned more with higher Manchester arbitrons or
> lower Manchester arbitron's and better
> Lowell/Lawrence/Chelmsford coverage? I'd think they'd be
> more focused on raising their Manchester arbs...
I don't think Nassau is really concerned about higher Manchester arbitron numbers (of course higher numbers would be nice but they are doing okay for themselves where they have a signal). Also, they aren't doing that bad in the Manchester book (in the top 7 in the lastest book (spring) up on RR Online). Plus they are actually showing up in the Boston book (that says a lot right there). The population is much greater in the Lowell/Lawrence/Chelmsford/Nashua/Merrimack Valley combined area than the market population of Manchester, NH. Sometimes rating aren't everything. A larger population and advertiser base sometimes are much more important.
> if they put a better signal into Manchester! Thay barely
> scratch the Boston book! So the question is this...Is
> Nassau concerned more with higher Manchester arbitrons or
> lower Manchester arbitron's and better
> Lowell/Lawrence/Chelmsford coverage? I'd think they'd be
> more focused on raising their Manchester arbs...
I don't think Nassau is really concerned about higher Manchester arbitron numbers (of course higher numbers would be nice but they are doing okay for themselves where they have a signal). Also, they aren't doing that bad in the Manchester book (in the top 7 in the lastest book (spring) up on RR Online). Plus they are actually showing up in the Boston book (that says a lot right there). The population is much greater in the Lowell/Lawrence/Chelmsford/Nashua/Merrimack Valley combined area than the market population of Manchester, NH. Sometimes rating aren't everything. A larger population and advertiser base sometimes are much more important.
T
TXengineer
Guest
Their signal is very strong to almost city grade in Manchester.
I don't see what they would accomplish signal wise by moving northward, only to radiate more cows and less people.
I don't see what they would accomplish signal wise by moving northward, only to radiate more cows and less people.
> Their signal is very strong to almost city grade in
> Manchester.
> I don't see what they would accomplish signal wise by moving
> northward, only to radiate more cows and less people.
Cows?? It's been a while since you've been to NH, eh? Their signal is not great passing through the downtown area on I 93 or Elm St.>
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by djjim6629 on 12/24/05 01:41 PM.</FONT></P>
> Manchester.
> I don't see what they would accomplish signal wise by moving
> northward, only to radiate more cows and less people.
Cows?? It's been a while since you've been to NH, eh? Their signal is not great passing through the downtown area on I 93 or Elm St.>
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by djjim6629 on 12/24/05 01:41 PM.</FONT></P>
> > Their signal is very strong to almost city grade in
> > Manchester.
> > I don't see what they would accomplish signal wise by
> moving
> > northward, only to radiate more cows and less people.
>
> Cows?? It's been a while since you've been to NH, eh?
> Their signal is not great passing through the downtown area
> on I 93 or Elm St.>
Could WFNQ apply for a booster in Manchester? That would seem to be the best situation, as 106.3 would maintain the great signal in the Merrimack Valley while allowing a decent signal in the most populated area of the state.
However, were WFNQ to move further north, any chance we could see WWKX 106.3 in Woonsocket, RI become a Boston move-in?
> > Manchester.
> > I don't see what they would accomplish signal wise by
> moving
> > northward, only to radiate more cows and less people.
>
> Cows?? It's been a while since you've been to NH, eh?
> Their signal is not great passing through the downtown area
> on I 93 or Elm St.>
Could WFNQ apply for a booster in Manchester? That would seem to be the best situation, as 106.3 would maintain the great signal in the Merrimack Valley while allowing a decent signal in the most populated area of the state.
However, were WFNQ to move further north, any chance we could see WWKX 106.3 in Woonsocket, RI become a Boston move-in?
>
> Could WFNQ apply for a booster in Manchester?
Yes, I do not see why not...WFNQ FM1 with maybe 100 watts from atop the Verizon building...sure!
>
> However, were WFNQ to move further north, any chance we
> could see WWKX 106.3 in Woonsocket, RI become a Boston
> move-in?
>
No, Still too close!
> Could WFNQ apply for a booster in Manchester?
Yes, I do not see why not...WFNQ FM1 with maybe 100 watts from atop the Verizon building...sure!
>
> However, were WFNQ to move further north, any chance we
> could see WWKX 106.3 in Woonsocket, RI become a Boston
> move-in?
>
No, Still too close!
>
> Cows?? It's been a while since you've been to NH, eh?
> Their signal is not great passing through the downtown area
> on I 93 or Elm St.>
>
To be fair, other than WZID,WGIR, or WOKQ's repeater on 97.9 radio reception in downtown Manchester is pretty iffy. Doesn't the Mill have an application for a translator downtown?
> Cows?? It's been a while since you've been to NH, eh?
> Their signal is not great passing through the downtown area
> on I 93 or Elm St.>
>
To be fair, other than WZID,WGIR, or WOKQ's repeater on 97.9 radio reception in downtown Manchester is pretty iffy. Doesn't the Mill have an application for a translator downtown?
> >
> > Could WFNQ apply for a booster in Manchester?
>
> Yes, I do not see why not...WFNQ FM1 with maybe 100 watts
> from atop the Verizon building...sure!
>
> >
> > However, were WFNQ to move further north, any chance we
> > could see WWKX 106.3 in Woonsocket, RI become a Boston
> > move-in?
> >
> No, Still too close!
Also, second-adjacent to WMJX may preclude them from getting much closer to Boston as well.
> > Could WFNQ apply for a booster in Manchester?
>
> Yes, I do not see why not...WFNQ FM1 with maybe 100 watts
> from atop the Verizon building...sure!
>
> >
> > However, were WFNQ to move further north, any chance we
> > could see WWKX 106.3 in Woonsocket, RI become a Boston
> > move-in?
> >
> No, Still too close!
Also, second-adjacent to WMJX may preclude them from getting much closer to Boston as well.
> >
> > Cows?? It's been a while since you've been to NH, eh?
> > Their signal is not great passing through the downtown
> area
> > on I 93 or Elm St.>
> >
>
> To be fair, other than WZID,WGIR, or WOKQ's repeater on 97.9
> radio reception in downtown Manchester is pretty iffy.
> 96.5 WMLL does well, as does 89.1 WEVO, and 104.5 WXLO.
Doesn't the Mill have an application for a translator
> downtown?
>
Yes they do on 94.1. It is not needed though because 96.5 comes in perfect in Manch-Vegas! They broadcast from the same sight as Wgir and Wzid. The only thing the tx on 94.1 will do is screw with WFTN!
> > Cows?? It's been a while since you've been to NH, eh?
> > Their signal is not great passing through the downtown
> area
> > on I 93 or Elm St.>
> >
>
> To be fair, other than WZID,WGIR, or WOKQ's repeater on 97.9
> radio reception in downtown Manchester is pretty iffy.
> 96.5 WMLL does well, as does 89.1 WEVO, and 104.5 WXLO.
Doesn't the Mill have an application for a translator
> downtown?
>
Yes they do on 94.1. It is not needed though because 96.5 comes in perfect in Manch-Vegas! They broadcast from the same sight as Wgir and Wzid. The only thing the tx on 94.1 will do is screw with WFTN!
T
TXengineer
Guest
> Cows?? It's been a while since you've been to NH, eh?
> Their signal is not great passing through the downtown area
> on I 93 or Elm St.>
Hmm it's been about three weeks. Unless the greater Concord area has developed into the same population density as say the greater Hudson, MA area, then I think I know what I am talking about here.
Why move your signal away from more densly populated areas to cover less?
And when I was in Manchester, NH (From 101 to Milly's tavern) I had no problems picking up 106.3. Maybe you have a cheap radio?
> Their signal is not great passing through the downtown area
> on I 93 or Elm St.>
Hmm it's been about three weeks. Unless the greater Concord area has developed into the same population density as say the greater Hudson, MA area, then I think I know what I am talking about here.
Why move your signal away from more densly populated areas to cover less?
And when I was in Manchester, NH (From 101 to Milly's tavern) I had no problems picking up 106.3. Maybe you have a cheap radio?
T
TXengineer
Guest
> Yes, I do not see why not...WFNQ FM1 with maybe 100 watts
> from atop the Verizon building...sure!
100 watts? are you nuts?
The most the Booster would want to do is maybe like 7-10 watts.
At 100 watts the booster's signal would cause a lot of interference to the main signal which is strong though out most of downtown Manch.
If you have a small very small unlistenable area, throw up a 5 watt booster near the dead area but keep it low and directional enough to not cause interference. That is, if the small area is where you have a major revenue hole. Otherwise, just fuggettaboutit.
> > However, were WFNQ to move further north, any chance we
> > could see WWKX 106.3 in Woonsocket, RI become a Boston
> > move-in?
> >
> No, Still too close!
Aside from the 2nd adjacency to 106.7 in Boston, and 3rd adjacent 105.7, you also have to remember they can't go much farther east without going a heck of a lot farther north or putting in some funky DA antenna to protect 1st adjacent WCOD on Hyannis.
> from atop the Verizon building...sure!
100 watts? are you nuts?
The most the Booster would want to do is maybe like 7-10 watts.
At 100 watts the booster's signal would cause a lot of interference to the main signal which is strong though out most of downtown Manch.
If you have a small very small unlistenable area, throw up a 5 watt booster near the dead area but keep it low and directional enough to not cause interference. That is, if the small area is where you have a major revenue hole. Otherwise, just fuggettaboutit.
> > However, were WFNQ to move further north, any chance we
> > could see WWKX 106.3 in Woonsocket, RI become a Boston
> > move-in?
> >
> No, Still too close!
Aside from the 2nd adjacency to 106.7 in Boston, and 3rd adjacent 105.7, you also have to remember they can't go much farther east without going a heck of a lot farther north or putting in some funky DA antenna to protect 1st adjacent WCOD on Hyannis.
> > Yes, I do not see why not...WFNQ FM1 with maybe 100 watts
> > from atop the Verizon building...sure!
>
> 100 watts? are you nuts?
> The most the Booster would want to do is maybe like 7-10
> watts.
> >
> >Ok...you're right. I have been living in the south too long now and am use to monster signals and boosters like this---->
http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/info?call=WYYD&service=FM
and:
http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/info?call=WYYD-1&service=FB
> > from atop the Verizon building...sure!
>
> 100 watts? are you nuts?
> The most the Booster would want to do is maybe like 7-10
> watts.
> >
> >Ok...you're right. I have been living in the south too long now and am use to monster signals and boosters like this---->
http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/info?call=WYYD&service=FM
and:
http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/info?call=WYYD-1&service=FB
>> Yes they do on 94.1. It is not needed though because
> 96.5 comes in perfect in Manch-Vegas! They broadcast from
> the same sight as Wgir and Wzid. The only thing the tx on
> 94.1 will do is screw with WFTN!
I wondered about that myself...even though you could count the number of WFTN's listeners south of Concord on the fingers of one hand, I see no purpose in a translator for a station that comes in just fine. Judging by the number of businesses that have the Mill on, they can't have too much of a signal problem...I bet they give WGIR serious competiton, at least in the metro.
> 96.5 comes in perfect in Manch-Vegas! They broadcast from
> the same sight as Wgir and Wzid. The only thing the tx on
> 94.1 will do is screw with WFTN!
I wondered about that myself...even though you could count the number of WFTN's listeners south of Concord on the fingers of one hand, I see no purpose in a translator for a station that comes in just fine. Judging by the number of businesses that have the Mill on, they can't have too much of a signal problem...I bet they give WGIR serious competiton, at least in the metro.
> > > Yes, I do not see why not...WFNQ FM1 with maybe 100
> watts
> > > from atop the Verizon building...sure!
> >
> > 100 watts? are you nuts?
> > The most the Booster would want to do is maybe like 7-10
> > watts.
> > >
> > >Ok...you're right. I have been living in the south too
> long now and am use to monster signals and boosters like
> this---->
ht> tp://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/info?call=WYYD&service=FM
>
>
> and:
>
http> ://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/info?call=WYYD-1&service=FB
That's one heck of a booster, seeing that it has more power than WFNQ itself!
> watts
> > > from atop the Verizon building...sure!
> >
> > 100 watts? are you nuts?
> > The most the Booster would want to do is maybe like 7-10
> > watts.
> > >
> > >Ok...you're right. I have been living in the south too
> long now and am use to monster signals and boosters like
> this---->
ht> tp://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/info?call=WYYD&service=FM
>
>
> and:
>
http> ://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/info?call=WYYD-1&service=FB
That's one heck of a booster, seeing that it has more power than WFNQ itself!
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