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Backyard Broadcasting? Steve Lindell?

Unless you in desperate need for a job I would pass. First, they want a programming and production director. Two jobs for one low cost and an airshift or two will be required. You will work long hours and low pay for incompetent management.

If you have any talent at all they will hate you. Why? Because most of them lack talent and will be jealous of yours. That part of Indiana hasn’t had anything good come out of it since Robert Poorman owned WERK AM nearly forty years ago. The air people are so deplorable, for them this is as good as it will ever get and they know it. The person you’re asking about is the worst of the worst. He is more irritating than fingernails running down a chalk board. It is embarrassing to listen to, that is “fer” sure as they would say on “thare” air.
 
This unprovoked attack is not called for. I don know these folks. But, I worked a couple of year’s Part time in Muncie for KZ105. Working in that market afforded me the opportunity to gain the confidence and ability to move to a bigger market. It is small market radio so it will pay accordingly. (It gave me the extra cash for ladies night at Charlie’s in Muncie on Tuesday nights. ;))

There is an opportunity too to become a big fish in a small pond. Look at Steve Brown and Morry Mannies, both have made a career out of radio in Muncie. Just a couple of people I can think of for now. It is however a wonderful place to move from. lol

It’s amazing how easy management is to deal with when we manage ourselves. Many, on this board are bitter, disenfranchised former or current broadcasters who turn here for group therapy. They look outside of themselves for faults instead of holding themselves accountable. Like the guy who goes to the fireplace and say give me heat then I will give you wood. It really is a poor place for career advice.
 
OK, well the unprovoked attack is not called for AND you don't know them, but you feel the urge to stick up for them? Bless you for that. While you're being so thoughtful, will you mow my yard for free?

KZ 105? KZ 105 sizzled out in the early 90's Mr. McDonald. You can't use working there or working at WLBC back then as an example of how the above post are wrong and unjust. They aren't talking about Randy Robinson here, they're talking about Steve Lindell. That's a whole different world.
 
I don't know much about the ownership; however, I have to say that I had the opportunity to listen to "Max 96.7 FM" over the weekend and thought it sounded pretty good for a local rocker. The jocks I heard were decent, and the music selection was pretty decent as a locally programmed mainstream classic rock station goes. In fact the station is pretty music-intense, and probably confirms what Rich suggested; they're probably not driving alot of revenue [not a lot of commercial inventory when I listened], which means payroll is low. And, folks are probably "wearing lots of hats" [ie: PD is probably also production director, and carries an on air shift].

Guess what? That's the nature of a small business, and the revenue challenge of any small business owner, whether they own a bakery, or a radio station in a smaller market. They cannot be faulted for having to run a business lean on a tight budget. I can personally attest as someone who has owned small market stations that they are not "cash cows." More like "money pits." It's very difficult to cash flow a small market radio station. So, like it or not, payroll isn't going to make anyone rich. That alone doesn't make an owner/manager scum of the earth. I cannot speak to the personal character of this owner, but I know what he's going through. The owner's not making any money either at the expense of his personnel.

Again, all things considered, "Max" sounded pretty good, and the folks on the air sounded like they were into it [whether they are paid well or not, and whether or not there was a stack of production, and other work for them to do after their air shift]. Station sounds good.
 
Blah Blah Blah, first of all you're doing a review based on your experiences in radio and your taste combined with that. You may say the jocks are into it at MAX, I might say they need to wake up. We can go around about that all night. The above posters are talking about more than just the hardships of radio, they are talking about a rude self-serving person.

And Rich McDonald, I'm a bitter individual thank you very much and I LOOOOVEEE IT! Good radio bits come from people like me who are bitter. If it weren't for us bitter people, regular people wouldn't have anything to laugh at now WOULD they? You should see the crap that goes through this head while I'm laying in bed at night. My only regret is that I'm not writing it all down.
 
Keith Kidd said:
OK, well the unprovoked attack is not called for AND you don't know them, but you feel the urge to stick up for them? Bless you for that. While you're being so thoughtful, will you mow my yard for free?

KZ 105? KZ 105 sizzled out in the early 90's Mr. McDonald. You can't use working there or working at WLBC back then as an example of how the above post are wrong and unjust. They aren't talking about Randy Robinson here, they're talking about Steve Lindell. That's a whole different world.
I'm a bitter individual thank you very much and I LOOOOVEEE IT!
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You go Keith Kidd. Thanks for putting him in his place where ever that is? I was giving some good advice to this guy and was not attacking anybody. What I was sayin is the truth and everyone who works there knows it. Yes, bitterness is underrated. Anybody who has ever worked in that part od Indiana will soon become very bitter.
 
Keith Kidd said:
OK, well the unprovoked attack is not called for AND you don't know them, but you feel the urge to stick up for them? Bless you for that. While you're being so thoughtful, will you mow my yard for free?

KZ 105? KZ 105 sizzled out in the early 90's Mr. McDonald. You can't use working there or working at WLBC back then as an example of how the above post are wrong and unjust. They aren't talking about Randy Robinson here, they're talking about Steve Lindell. That's a whole different world.
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I am so happy to hear people in the Muncie area now have lawns and even care enough to mow it! Talk about one of the most backward places on the planet that is it.

My time at KZ was like watching a major inferno and you couldn’t take your eyes off it. During contest I would hand out a prize on air and would get no calls. NO KIDDING, nobody was listening to the station. LOL It was so comical to watch that I still laugh thinking about. Talk about inept management. The GM at that time was a lady who was way in over her head and it was evident to all. Randy was (my opinion) a pretty good PD and I grew a lot under his leadership. At that time being a wide eye enthusiastic novice. He was always approachable and glad to help and offered good constructive Criticism. In retrospect, I think he was one of the best PDs I ever worked under. I am impressed, you remember Randy Robinson. That's a name I haven’t heard in many years. lol your memory is a long as mikefromindiana is.

Nonetheless, my point was not to defend these people, I could care less. But to attack everyone who is on the air there? Not everyone on air in Muncie is as bad as described in that post. Word2you thinks everyone but himself is awful on the air. I was trying to make the point that some have made long careers in that little town. A truly talented morning person or program director is not going to work in Muncie. So it is a given, it will be bad. But a great place to polish, practice and gain the confidence for a younger person so they may move to a larger market. It is worth a shot; he could always quit and move on to one of the 12,000 other stations in North America.
 
No problem words2you.

Yeah, my memory is weird Rich. I remember things that either nobody else does, or they totally forgot about until I bring it up. I wrote Chris Conner awhile back and told him that my fondest memory of Him at the Buzzard was one night in the Winter of '81 he stunted the station by playing 4 hours of Chris Bailey when Bailey did a stint at WNAP back in 1969. He played an actual show that was aired in 1969. Bailey was simply awesome. I was struck by his ability. During the commercials breaks Conner did some "organic classifieds" (something the station had done before) and read cars people had for sale, clothes people had to give away,etc. When he was finished, it was back to Chris Bailey.

Chris Conner told me he doesn't remember ever doing that, and he has never heard of a Chris Bailey.

About WLBC, some people can be so selfish that they can take a good thing and destroy it. They've cornered the market here in Muncie, so Lindell thinks this is a great opportunity to do anything and everything Steve Lindell at WLBC. After all, they've cornered the market and everyone is listening to them, right? That's what they think anyway. So now it's safe for everything to be all about him, not the station. He can further Steve the weatherman, Steve the cancellation man, Steve the funny man, Steve the man who does practically all the remotes, Steve the emergency situation man, and of course here of late, Steve the Harlem Globe Trotter. Soon Steve will be searching for ManBearPig. It isn't always about the money. It starts out that way, but with some it goes beyond that and it eventually catches up with them. Mouseman has already mentioned lack of advertisers. We've had people post on here that Lindell isn't really in great standing with the advertisers. This board has mentioned cuts with that group, and most of the time those gaps aren't filled. That's OK, the music will do the talking with those little boats, and the big mother ship has ME Steve LINDELL!! What advertisers they do have are convinced since these stations rate high, that they must have a lot of listeners. Well, no they rate high because they've got the market cornered.

I say the next time Emmis wants to bring their product to a new market, they should consider here in Muncie. Even an independent looking to branch out should consider here. I'll be glad to run the station and watch it totally kick WLBC's ass. Force Backyard Broadcasting to compete and I guarantee Lindell and his bunch wouldn't last 5 seconds. That red and white stick of theirs would droop and go limp. You don't think Muncie is ready for something different? Let's see how good their station really is when they are forced to compete against a station that claims IT wants to be Muncie's hometown station.

Now, how's THAT for bitterness? Bitter does a lot of good things, we just hear about the bad. Bitterness rocks, you just have to know how to work it. You also have to be careful with your urge to act out in odd behavior with cheez-wiz in K-Mart...... I really don't want to talk about that. I'm doing better..... the point is bitterness can rule!
 
Keith Kidd said:
Yeah, my memory is weird Rich. I remember things that either nobody else does, or they totally forgot about until I bring it up. I wrote Chris Conner awhile back and told him that my fondest memory of Him at the Buzzard was one night in the Winter of '81 he stunted the station by playing 4 hours of Chris Bailey when Bailey did a stint at WNAP back in 1969. He played an actual show that was aired in 1969. Bailey was simply awesome. I was struck by his ability. During the commercials breaks Conner did some "organic classifieds" (something the station had done before) and read cars people had for sale, clothes people had to give away,etc. When he was finished, it was back to Chris Bailey.

Chris Conner told me he doesn't remember ever doing that, and he has never heard of a Chris Bailey.
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Paging Chief Engineer...care to explain?
 
I wrote this a few days ago on another post...I can feel the cold mud flying at me from directions I'll never be able to see...no, won't be changing my nickname to Pollyanna...owwww, watch out with the knives...oooh, in the back...but bitterness will never, ever rule. That's the tip of an iceberg of a life full of pain, a call for help. Laugh all you want. It's my opinion and I feel for Keith and many of the others who post on these boards. Read below and bring it on.
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"For the rest of us, it's like the old joke about the circus worker who cleaned up after the elephants when the parade was over. Someone asked why he didn't quit and he answered "What?! And give up show business???"

Has anyone ever considered reconciling with the fact that the radio business is what it is? By understanding the pay will not be great. By understanding the benefits will likely be dismal. But if you are good at what you do and love doing it, you might have a great deal more peace with yourself than most of the people on this planet?

I've been in radio for over 20 years. I've made my mistakes. They cost me a few jobs. But I've learned. I've worked in "the real world" and gradually came to a deeper understanding of myself and the talents I've been given. I want to go back into radio full-time. Am I crazy? Possibly. Are there maniacs in radio? Let me fill you in on something: there are maniacs, control freaks, general bastards in every area of work. If you don't have the sufficient maturity to realize this and find sane, healthy ways to cope and manage the stress, I feel for you.

Radio is a facet of show business. Period. You'll have the groupies, the headaches, the remote broadcasts with sponsors you would sooner spit on than work with, the ego-maniacal managers at every level. Sales people who could easily double for prostitutes in more ways than one. But you can let your ego and/or your attitude get the best of you or you can realize one of the bigger purposes for the broadcasting industry is to SERVE. The biggest need for the radio business is to do what Sirius and XM will never be able to do: warn people about danger, whether it's weather-related, traffic, whatever. Entertain our listeners, inform them? YES, that too.

I don't own a pair of rose-colored glasses. There is one station in central Indiana for which I would love to work full-time, but for reasons I am not privy to I will likely never have that chance. As we are human, we're not always going to get along. We might not always get what we think we want and/or need out of life. But if radio is really in your blood, you need to see it for what it is, do what you LOVE and do it well, and go on. Abusive managers? Did you ever try to ask them why they need to call you during a shift? Is there really something you're doing that they want you to change? Can you record yourself - skimmers are rare things to find in most stations anymore - and make it a point to ASK to meet with your managers to change and maybe even improve what you're doing? Can you take criticism?

Sling however much mud as you want, but as with anything else in life, we must take a good, hard look at ourselves. I know people who could tell you more horror stories than I've already seen on these boards. But EVERY business is like that. EVERY SINGLE ONE. And if you move from business to business or radio station to radio station and run into the same trouble, angst, frustrations, there remains one thing you've got to do: stop and look at who you are, what you are. If you can't stop long enough to recognize that the weaknesses in others that drive you nuts are things you do yourself - there may be no answer sufficient to help you handle your life or help you find peace.
 
You keep writing me pretty poetry like that and I'm going expect dinner and a kiss you little teaser.

You started this topic and asked about Steve Lindell and the company that he works for. You are interested in applying and wanted to hear from people, right? So, when we tell you things you don't want to hear, you get all whiney and Barry Manilow on us and tell us how much you feel sorry for us. Now that's just wonderful. I don't need your sympathy man, but I do need your poetry. Write about 10 more pages of unbearable smugness on how misguided you think we are and about how wonderful you believe YOU handle everything, OK? The only thing I'm confused about is why you even started the post to begin with.

You want to know about Steve Lindell, go talk to him. That's the best advise I can give you. Share some of that pretty poetry with him, hell you never know he might take a hankerin' to you if you do.
 
Keith Kidd said:
No problem words2you.

Yeah, my memory is weird Rich. I remember things that either nobody else does, or they totally forgot about until I bring it up. I wrote Chris Conner awhile back and told him that my fondest memory of Him at the Buzzard was one night in the Winter of '81 he stunted the station by playing 4 hours of Chris Bailey when Bailey did a stint at WNAP back in 1969. He played an actual show that was aired in 1969. Bailey was simply awesome. I was struck by his ability. During the commercials breaks Conner did some "organic classifieds" (something the station had done before) and read cars people had for sale, clothes people had to give away,etc. When he was finished, it was back to Chris Bailey.

Chris Conner told me he doesn't remember ever doing that, and he has never heard of a Chris Bailey.

About WLBC, some people can be so selfish that they can take a good thing and destroy it. They've cornered the market here in Muncie, so Lindell thinks this is a great opportunity to do anything and everything Steve Lindell at WLBC. After all, they've cornered the market and everyone is listening to them, right? That's what they think anyway. So now it's safe for everything to be all about him, not the station. He can further Steve the weatherman, Steve the cancellation man, Steve the funny man, Steve the man who does practically all the remotes, Steve the emergency situation man, and of course here of late, Steve the Harlem Globe Trotter. Soon Steve will be searching for ManBearPig. It isn't always about the money. It starts out that way, but with some it goes beyond that and it eventually catches up with them. Mouseman has already mentioned lack of advertisers. We've had people post on here that Lindell isn't really in great standing with the advertisers. This board has mentioned cuts with that group, and most of the time those gaps aren't filled. That's OK, the music will do the talking with those little boats, and the big mother ship has ME Steve LINDELL!! What advertisers they do have are convinced since these stations rate high, that they must have a lot of listeners. Well, no they rate high because they've got the market cornered.

I say the next time Emmis wants to bring their product to a new market, they should consider here in Muncie. Even an independent looking to branch out should consider here. I'll be glad to run the station and watch it totally kick WLBC's ass. Force Backyard Broadcasting to compete and I guarantee Lindell and his bunch wouldn't last 5 seconds. That red and white stick of theirs would droop and go limp. You don't think Muncie is ready for something different? Let's see how good their station really is when they are forced to compete against a station that claims IT wants to be Muncie's hometown station.

Now, how's THAT for bitterness? Bitter does a lot of good things, we just hear about the bad. Bitterness rocks, you just have to know how to work it. You also have to be careful with your urge to act out in odd behavior with cheez-wiz in K-Mart...... I really don't want to talk about that. I'm doing better..... the point is bitterness can rule!
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Well, Mr. Kidd. It appears that you and I are the only two people that have the intestinal fortitude to post are real names and not hide behind a user name.

Maybe they rate high simply by having call letters that are entrenched in the community? WLBC must be one of the oldest stations in Indiana if not the entire country. What's wrong with 96.7 Max? I agree with mouseman and I too tune in off and on while driving. They are a far less noisy and irritating than...well, I'll remain on my best behavior. lol lets say some other stations around.
 
Keith Kidd said:
You keep writing me pretty poetry like that and I'm going expect dinner and a kiss you little teaser.

You started this topic and asked about Steve Lindell and the company that he works for. You are interested in applying and wanted to hear from people, right? So, when we tell you things you don't want to hear, you get all whiney and Barry Manilow on us and tell us how much you feel sorry for us. Now that's just wonderful. I don't need your sympathy man, but I do need your poetry. Write about 10 more pages of unbearable smugness on how misguided you think we are and about how wonderful you believe YOU handle everything, OK? The only thing I'm confused about is why you even started the post to begin with.

You want to know about Steve Lindell, go talk to him. That's the best advise I can give you. Share some of that pretty poetry with him, hell you never know he might take a hankerin' to you if you do.
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LOL Thanks for the laugh!
 
Everybody, let's all point at Mike Smith from WYNR and laugh.

Rich, I don't mind using my real name here. I don't give a crap if these people know it's me saying all this or not. I understand the people who don't want to say who they are and I respect that, it's just I personally don't give a rats McAss.

Years back I posted under the name HOT COFFEE at the Indiana Radio Roundtable (which I ran) and at Matt Scheidler's Indiana Radio Forum. I didn't say who I was then simply because people were having too much fun trying to figure out who I was. Some people actually wanted to come after me back then lol. A few said that if they ever found out who I was they'd make my life hell. If things got too out of hand though I was prepared to do the right thing and apologize and tell everyone that I was Johnny George. HELLO!
 
richmcdonald said:
WLBC must be one of the oldest stations in Indiana if not the entire country.
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Nice try. WLBC signed on in late 1926. I can think of six older Indiana stations (WBAA, WSBT, WGBF, WGL, WOWO, WKBV). I won't even delve into the rest of the USA.

fwmw
 
fwmw said:
richmcdonald said:
WLBC must be one of the oldest stations in Indiana if not the entire country.
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Nice try. WLBC signed on in late 1926. I can think of six older Indiana stations (WBAA, WSBT, WGBF, WGL, WOWO, WKBV). I won't even delve into the rest of the USA.

fwmw
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Considering there were only 11 radio stations on the air in the state of Indiana by 1930, the statement that WLBC am "must be one of the oldest stations in Indiana..." is pretty much accurate in my book. (My figures show that it is the 7th oldest continuously operated station in Indiana)
 
Well, you should get another calculator because the WLBC you're talking about that signed on in the 1920's isn't even in existence anymore, and hasn't been in years. WXFN is on that frequency now and it's a sports station. WLBC FM is still on the air, but isn't even close to being the oldest. As a matter of fact, 104.1 was originally WMUN, and it didn't sign on until summertime 1958, much less 1926.

Same for WERK. Backyard Broadcasting tries to play it off that they own a heritage station here. Well, they don't and never did. WERK was an AM station located in a little red and white house off of Highway 3. After WERK sizzled out, Muncie lost the calls for years before it was brought back and assigned to an FM frequency. 104.9 doesn't even closely resemble and can in no way attach itself in a timeline to the original WERK. Ya snooze ya loose. You can't say you're the original just because you scraped up identical call letters ...especially if you aren't even on the same damn band as the original.
 
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