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Bakersfield - Fresno - Los Angeles Analog Still Going

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XRQKFM

Down here in the High Desert of northern Los Angeles County; there was no change to the TV dial after Feb 17 came and went. KMPH analog still has a great picture, even ch 53 & 59 were still coming in down here, as were all of Bakersfield and Los Angeles. Good thing! Going from thirty analog down to just will leave the TV dial rather dull. Only KBAK DTV UHF 33 has a strong signal here, yet KERO DTV VHF 10 on the same mountain has no signal here in the desert, but its analog 23 is strong here and KBAK 29 is weak. KMPH DTV came in during the summer, but has not been seen since. KSEE DTV has signal here, but because a co 38 near by; won't lock in.
Los Angeles DTV, is non existent here in the western Antelope Valley, repeaters are being signed on, but even with repeaters; signals on the west side are overcome by co channels to the north. I think they made a big mistake with short spacing. We are going to have a DTV 30 in Bakersfield and Fresno, 33 from Bakersfield and Ridgecrest, 38 from Fresno and Los Angeles. I have a list of channels available in central Lancaster California, according to TV Fool posted here www.avnewstalk.com scroll to bottom.



Steve
www.outlawradio.us
DIY Broadcasting
 
In Clovis I get KERO 23 and KBAK 29 with a good signal on analog,but there digital signal does'nt come in at all ,I have a VHF/UHF outdoor antenna and KBAK is blocked by low power ch.33 KSDI and will stay on after June12 ,KERO DTV channel 10 needs to raise there power ,they should come in,If there signal can't be recieved in Lancaster theres a problem ,Mt. Breakenridge with the elevation of 7000ft above sea level.Mt atalayd where Channel 17 and 45 are harder to get in Clovis, but the only Bakersfield DTV station Canel 17 is the only one I can recieve some of the time on DTV25. XRQKFM do you recieve 17 or 45 in the Antelope Valley analog or digital?
 
XRQKFM do you receive 17 or 45 in the Antelope Valley analog or digital
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Channel 45 analog use to have a very good signal here; until their transmitter failed and has been on low power for sometime. You would think 17 being low on the dial and having the same ERP as 45 would have a good picture here, but most of the time it is barely watchable; DTV from 17 & 45 is in the red. Believe it or not; 17 still has a killer signal in Thousand Oaks, sometimes 17 looks better than cable; that will come to an end in June as DTV25 is a zero there too!

KERO DTV channel 10 needs to raise there power ,they should come in, If there signal can't be received in Lancaster theres a problem
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The problem is they have to protect their sister station KGTV in San Diego; which will also be on DTV10. They have a deep null to the south and only 4,500 watts going mainly towards Bakersfield. I have checked their DTV signal all across the desert; the signal shows up in the red in some places with a high band 7-13 VHF antenna , but far from what is needed for a stable DTV signal. KERO UHF 23 & KBAK UHF 29 can be seen with a clear noise free picture out to Phelan, using a un-amped 4-bay standing at ground level.

It's the poor rural folks that are going to loose big with the DTV conversion in the High Desert; the fact is the DTV signals just barely cover what the old analogs do. Most of us will be going from over 30 channels, down to just one or two DTV signals; and you know if I can't pull it out of the mud with a Winegard HD9095 with a 28db preamp, there are few other options.

The real deal is free over the television is coming to an end on June 12 for allot of rural Americans who live across this country. It should have been required by the feds that the DTV signals duplicate the analog signals in coverage; as it stands; they don't even comes close!


Again the government has pulled one over on the people!


Steve
www.xrqkfm.com
 
Would KERO be able to move their DTV to 23 after the transition? Other wise it will be bad for them even in Bakersfield. No one I know can get KERO DTV except on the east side of town. No one is having problems with the other locals.
 
KERO hasn't applied for it,but they should.KFSN ABC 30 in Fresno is using Channel 9 and that signal is bad even in Fresno, they will be going back to 30.
It only makes sense in a all UHF market.In Fresno KAIL 53 is keeping channel 7 and has changed their ID to 7.1, they can't switch back because Channels 52-69 are going to be used other uses, Cell phones, emergency communications and so forth.
Most people have a UHF only antenna.
 
brettbutlerisok said:
Would KERO be able to move their DTV to 23 after the transition? Other wise it will be bad for them even in Bakersfield. No one I know can get KERO DTV except on the east side of town. No one is having problems with the other locals.
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Just found out this on ANTENNAWEB and rabbitears.info KERO will stay on DTV 10, but will increase there power on June 12. There power will be more than twice than it is now. I think the reason for the delay is their waiting for the analog signals of KXTV in Sacramento and KGTV in San Diego to go off.
 
Just because they have a permit for more power doesn't mean they'll be instantly boosting power on June 12. It just means they have the option of building it within the next 3 years. They don't technically have to build it at all.

- Trip
 
tripinva said:
Just because they have a permit for more power doesn't mean they'll be instantly boosting power on June 12. It just means they have the option of building it within the next 3 years. They don't technically have to build it at all.

- Trip
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If you go to antennaweb.com and punch in 93301 for zip code, It has a pre June 12 listing and a post June 12 listing for DTV 10 KERO with a smaller antenna listing ,check it out.
 
Antennaweb is not a reliable source. Not by any stretch of the imagination. I don't trust it for anything.

- Trip
 
tripinva said:
Antennaweb is not a reliable source. Not by any stretch of the imagination. I don't trust it for anything.

- Trip
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I do think your website RabbitEars.info is much better than antennaweb,but this particular deal with KERO ABC 10, is there using the lower power do to not only because of KXTV and KGTV,but the KCOY low power translator in Atascedaro and El Paso De Robles that uses channel 10. I live 100 miles from it and with a good antenna it doesn't work at all, ther signal right not is bad in the Antelope valley, Barstow, Mohave, Delano, and anything more than 30 miles from there tower. I really believe when the analog signals are gone they will fire up that new transmitter. After all you did say KERO was the strongest station in Bakersfield using the CP.
 
I do have add that KERO does broadcast from the second highest transmitter sight in CA at 7000 ft at MT Brekenridge, KMPH 26 is higher at 8000 FT. Both analog signals for KBAK and KERO come in good in Clovis. KBAKs digital signal is block by a low power station here at ch.33. there analog signals reach the Mohave dessert as well as the San Joaquin Valley.
 
Translators receive no protection. If KCOY's translator was the problem, well, it wouldn't be a problem. It would have to move or shut down. It also is not impacted by June 12, so it's not going away anyway.

As far as KXTV and KGTV, they're both moving back to channel 10 for digital operation. I'm not buying interference to them as the argument.

The FCC allotted KERO 4.6 kW in the first place. They built out that power level assuming it would work for them. Now that it has proven to not work, they've requested a power increase, and only 3.7 dB worth. The best thing to do would be to call and see if they have to say. They might very well be waiting for June 12 to boost it for some unknown reason, but I wouldn't trust Antennaweb as a source of information on that.

If they really wanted to improve coverage, they'd drop that directional pattern and go omni-directional.

When did I say it was the strongest station in Bakersfield? I have a hard time believing I'd have personally said that about any VHF station.

- Trip
 
tripinva said:
When did I say it was the strongest station in Bakersfield? I have a hard time believing I'd have personally said that about any VHF station.

- Trip
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Rabbitears.info under Largest stations market 126. Maybe it should be KBAK.
 
Just because a station has a large contour, doesn't make it the strongest station. It just means that the prediction model calls it the station with the largest contour.

- Trip
 
You were using the construction permit not the current contour. Being that KBAK is on Mt Brekenridge it has the biggest current contour.
 
KERO 23 in Bakersfield will have their power increased by 2.5 times by the end of July. It was on their website.
 
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