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Bankruptcy now an admitted liklihood for Citadel

RBB05 said:
From what I know to be the case, one of te potential buyers is interested in all the markets, including those medium to smaller markets that are performing well and one of the others is only interested in the top 20.

I'd check your sources. Even if the multiple was 1 times cash flow, no one has access to $800 million now. Even Bonneville. Bonneville doesn't want ANY of the AM stations...even in major markets. They are moving content from AM to FM in majors. Nobody wants the AM stations in the smaller markets.
 
TheBigA said:
RBB05 said:
From what I know to be the case, one of te potential buyers is interested in all the markets, including those medium to smaller markets that are performing well and one of the others is only interested in the top 20.

I'd check your sources. Even if the multiple was 1 times cash flow, no one has access to $800 million now. Even Bonneville. Bonneville doesn't want ANY of the AM stations...even in major markets. They are moving content from AM to FM in majors. Nobody wants the AM stations in the smaller markets.
If the stations are parceled by cluster and/or market size, it likely will be an all-or-nothing-at-all proposition for a potential buyer; i.e., if Citadel parcels Albequerque, Providence and Syracuse, all components of those clusters go to the buyer.

While it is true that not many companies have access to $800M, it may take only $150M to get a few seats on the CTDB board of directors and eventually wrangle control of the board. Speculative, to be sure, but at this moment, it seems the focus is on the $150M rather than a larger number. Not that $150M is pocket change.
 
Element9 said:
If the stations are parceled by cluster and/or market size, it likely will be an all-or-nothing-at-all proposition for a potential buyer; i.e., if Citadel parcels Albequerque, Providence and Syracuse, all components of those clusters go to the buyer.

Which is why Bonneville walked away. And, by the way, that same ultimatum is what forced CC to buy a lot of boat anchors. In the words of Peter Townshend, we won't get fooled again. Nobody will buy boat anchors again. They don't have to. Unless the FCC changes the ownership rules again.
 
Element9 said:
While it is true that not many companies have access to $800M, it may take only $150M to get a few seats on the CTDB board of directors and eventually wrangle control of the board. Speculative, to be sure, but at this moment, it seems the focus is on the $150M rather than a larger number. Not that $150M is pocket change.

A prepackaged bankruptcy would most likely, like most of the others that have gone down, be based on an exchange of debt for equity. The existing shareholders would be either SOL or severly diluted, depending on the way the prepackaging is done. Nobody has the time to buy the shares and get seated on the board... the daily volume is fairly thin and a lot of shares are tied up with institutional investors (who are unhappy, to say the least). Once the debt is converted, then the interest and principal payment burden is signficantly if not totally lifted, and the large cash flow (EBITDA) converts the company into a decent operation.
 
DavidEduardo said:
The existing shareholders would be either SOL or severly diluted, depending on the way the prepackaging is done.

The real problem in this particular case is that Forstmann Little is one of their biggest shareholders, and they can't screw them. And 57% of the company is owned by Disney shareholders as part of the Morris Trust, and they can't screw them.
 
RBB05 said:
I think Oaktree has some very logical points about the financials and the feasibility of dumping the networks, but then that begs the question, will the cost savings be reflected in time to do them any good? The clock is ticking quickly and Jan 15 is right around the corner and based on their Friday report, they are not anywhere close to meeting the debt covenant terms. That $150 million is the 8,000 pound gorilla in the room.

I have no skin in the game. I have never worked for Larry or Farid or Citadel.....but as a veteran of the industry, I think what Farid has done to Citadel is shameful. The answers for LA are not that hard, but it is one dramatic misstep after another.

While there is a lot of posturing going on by many, clearly some people will have an easier time raising the funds to buy Citadel.

I think that because it is a fluid situation there are still a few wildcards to be thrown into the game in the late moments.

Thank you RBB05 and others. The point is that this is a liquid situation that changes day-to-day. The small gains Citadel has made on the Stock Market give them a very very slight advantage -- but one that might help their lenders, Forstmann-Little and the Disney investors, in deciding not to dump the debt for a loss to them, as the company either re-organizes, re-packages its debt or sells in whole or in part (or, in divisions, as someone previously mentioned.)

The investment banks hold the cards -- and the debt. Citadel has, still, great asset value in its stations, but not in paying its debt.

The idea that no one wants to buy the network is not true. Yes, there are those nasty expenses and debts in a bad economy, a syndication arm that is being re-formulated to cut expenses and anything to make a deal more attractive to a potential buyer. There are those who could surprise that could step up to the plate and buy it -- even under the current name. It has happened to Westwood One, is happening to NBC-TV, Dial Global/Jones, Clear Channel/Premier (which already owns 40% of the satellite distribution of ABC Radio) and others; both public and private.

And, again, they must tread carefully, as David mentioned, to not further screw the investors of the Disney / Morris Trust or Forstmann-Little.

And if it happens, reorganization in bankruptcy does not mean the stations are in danger of going dark. Far from it.

The worst thing, actually, is that the investment bankers keep current management (Farid Suleman and Judy Ellis, among others) in charge with their feet to the fire. This is common, as in the case of Mapleton Communications and others. Why? Because banks don't run radio stations nor want to own them. But, they need people to run them from the top. In their eyes, as in the case with Clear Channel (minus Randall Mays) they don't make changes from those who have the keys to the gold chest -- or at least think so.

Bankers don't want to lose money. And $2.7 billion now whittled to $800-million doesn't help. They want to stop the bleeding because if someone bought it -- they'd still have debt to pay off. That comes from the true asset value, not because of a fire sale.

The liquidity: While the Stock Market closed with the biggest gains in a year today, over 10,000 -- Citadel went from $.12 a share to under $.06, as "preparation for bankruptcy" word got out today. Unexpected? No ... not from a company that was doing $.03 a share two months ago. They are putting fear into the banks, because that's the pressure they need to do to stay afloat.

If the Board of Directors were to suddenly terminate Suleman and Company (if it could, which is unlikely,) the question would be, who from the outside would be ready to run it -- and do so by Jan. 15. Interesting to watch.

Bankruptcy is a protection from creditors (or investment bankers) -- not a shutdown procedure. The banks may, in fact, be forcing Citadel into bankruptcy to cool things off and to "reorganize."
 
TheBigA said:
The real problem in this particular case is that Forstmann Little is one of their biggest shareholders, and they can't screw them. And 57% of the company is owned by Disney shareholders as part of the Morris Trust, and they can't screw them.

The Disney shareholders simply got a distribution of shares... there is no difference between GM screwing its shareholders and Citadel screwing those they have. Still, with 27% of the equity, Forstman Little has a great deal to lose... on paper. With the shares down 67% today, the market value of all shares is about $14 million, and FL's is about $4 million. That's a far piece of road from the $2.1 billion Larry Wilson sold Citadel for during the filming of "Consolidation Night Fever."

The investment bankers will always figure out how to preserve as much as they can. But I don't think that concern for the John Q. Public shareholders is high on the list of priorities.
 
DavidEduardo said:
Still, with 27% of the equity, Forstman Little has a great deal to lose... on paper.

That's why I think they will have to step up to the plate and buy off the debt, and they will end up with a larger portion of the equity. That's the obvious way around the FCC limits. But it's a big bullet to bite.
 
TheBigA said:
DavidEduardo said:
Still, with 27% of the equity, Forstman Little has a great deal to lose... on paper.
That's why I think they will have to step up to the plate and buy off the debt, and they will end up with a larger portion of the equity.That's the obvious way around the FCC limits. But it's a big bullet to bite.
Caught between a rock and a hard place. Is this feasible and if so, does it constitute "throwing good money after bad."
 
Element9 said:
Caught between a rock and a hard place. Is this feasible and if so, does it constitute "throwing good money after bad."

They're the ones who got them into this mess. They should be the ones to get them out. Their choice is to take on more equity, or have their shares diluted, which means their 27% becomes less than 5%. They've got cash on hand. And they get to call the shots of a reconstituted company.
 
TheBigA said:
Element9 said:
Caught between a rock and a hard place. Is this feasible and if so, does it constitute "throwing good money after bad."

They're the ones who got them into this mess. They should be the ones to get them out. Their choice is to take on more equity, or have their shares diluted, which means their 27% becomes less than 5%. They've got cash on hand. And they get to call the shots of a reconstituted company.
Apologies for the obvious, but CTDB is one dead-fish-stinkin' stock.
 
The Citadel bankruptcy is coming before the end of the year. It is a pre-arranged one as others here thought it might be. JPM and GE Cap. get 99% of the equity in the "new Citadel." GE Capital is openly looking searching for buyers.
 
Ouch! That Smarts! The great San Francisco and Los Angeles Frequency swaps of 2010 is coming! Are you all prepared for the new year? Dig in it's going to be rough! Will Clear Channel be the big winner in all of this?
Stay Tuned!
 
RadioStarOne said:
Ouch! That Smarts! The great San Francisco and Los Angeles Frequency swaps of 2010 is coming! Are you all prepared for the new year? Dig in it's going to be rough! Will Clear Channel be the big winner in all of this?
Stay Tuned!
What exactly do you mean? What exactly would happen?
 
As long as that god awful KABC'er John Phillips is off the air I don't mind. Can't program directors put on more entertaining personalities on rather than clones of one another.
 
RadioStarOne said:
Ouch! That Smarts! The great San Francisco and Los Angeles Frequency swaps of 2010 is coming! Are you all prepared for the new year? Dig in it's going to be rough! Will Clear Channel be the big winner in all of this?

Not in LA. Bonneville, though....
 
There will be no winners. Survivors perhaps. The Citadel nightmare continues to unfold, yet there are those closer to the playing field who say Farid may not be the man sitting at the head of the table after bankruptcy. The shareholders who were torched may offer a few hurdles of their own. Farid wants this deal fast-tracked to save his assets, but he may find a roadblock and a few potholes on the road.
 
Element9 said:
The shareholders who were torched may offer a few hurdles of their own.

That's correct. Typically, there are groups of shareholders who will sue the Board of Directors for gross mismanagement, holding them responsible for the failure of the company. Quite often, all this comes at a complete surprise to the Directors, who were asleep at the wheel while the company was going down the tubes. The personal assets of those Directors could be at risk. I saw today there are quite a few shareholders still holding on to their nearly worthless stock, even after yesterday's announcement. Those are the people who will be filing the lawsuit.
 
I read today that there is a strong possibility that Farid will most likely still be in charge after the deal is complete?

This proves the existence of parallel universes and the fact that we must be on a stray one, because Farid could very well be the worst CEO in America. Few can compete with the exceptional powers to destroy wealth he has demonstrated in his role at Citadel. He overpaid for ABC radio, gutted the place of talent - including sales staff to generate revenue and watched helplessly as the cash flows dried up. Well that is, the cash flows that didn't go into his pocket, which flowed quite freely - can you say 8 figures a year?? Meanwhile stock went from over $14 a share two pennies, debt is completely overwhelming and a rational business plan is nowhere in sight. How in the world he would keep this job, much less any job managing a business is astounding. Do the lenders really believe that this is the best guy they can find to right the ship? He's the one that ran it aground. With their money.

Amazing. Simply Amazing.
 
ChannelFlipper said:
He overpaid for ABC radio, gutted the place of talent - including sales staff to generate revenue and watched helplessly as the cash flows dried up.

A few things you need to know: He wasn't the driving force behind the purchase of ABC. Ted Forstmann was the guy who wanted that done. Farid found a way to make it happen. That's all. What they found when they took the keys to the car was a very different company than the one they thought they were buying. They were buying part of an existing and well-integrated company. They found out that when they removed an arm from an animal, the animal still lives, and could even prosper. But the amputated arm will die. That's what happened here. ABC Radio, without the rest of the mother ship, was unable to exist on its own. And then the dying carcass sucked the blood from the new parent like a tick sucks blood from an animal. Just as NBC Radio when it was sold by GE 15 years before. The truth is that Citadel simply didn't have the deep pockets needed to run ABC in hard times. Disney might have been stretched, but it was death for Citadel. It might have worked five years ago, but not now. It will all make a fascinating book, and a great movie. But for now, it's all very sad. Farid is not really the one to blame. He simply did what he was told, and helped the real power brokers get what they wanted. Now, they'll be out of the picture, with no equity in the new company, and a new bunch of power brokers who will get what they want from Farid. Yes he's still the CEO, and yes he still gets paid (although a lot less now that the stock options are gone). But he has a job that no one wants. He is the captain of a ship that has no engine, no means of navigation. The guys in the tugboat have the real power. Honestly, there's no amount of money you could pay me to take that job. He's not the best guy. He's the only guy. When they say the captain goes down with the ship, this is what they were talking about.
 
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