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Barix wants to sell gear but can't answer tech queries

In the past I had sent in several technical queries via the Barix web site regarding their products, none of which I ever received any answer to. Imagine my surprise when just moments ago I received a spam product sales email from them! As far as I'm concerned Barix has a lot of nerve!

Have any of you had a similar circumstance with this or other vendors?
 
Actually, I've had pretty good luck communicating with Barix. For a while, it was with a guy named Johannes in Switzerland, but now Dana (who posts on this Board) is the US tech support person. He's always answered my emails on the same day.

I'm actually using an Instreamer and an Extreamer with a 5 GHz wireless link for our FM. It was originally a back-up system while our analog 950 MHz STL equipment is serviced, but these sound better and seem to be working fine. I'll probably just leave them in place and use the analog as the back-up.
 
Well... We've had a problem with our Barix 6 months back or so. I thought maybe LA_GUY (Dana) wants to help me out quickly so I dropped him an PM on this board. Started off excusing for contacting him directly this way but if willing he could help with our issue. Or otherwise point us in the right direction. Still need to get an answer. So I guess not.
 
OKCRadioGuy said:
1 (866) 815-0866 and be persistant in asking for Dana. He's a busy guy so keep trying.

Sorry, but it shouldn't be that difficult to contact tech support -- ESPECIALLY when you're dealing with something that is required to function 24/7, such as broadcast equipment.

And although Barix equipment isn't all that expensive, it ain't cheap either. I would expect to get a human on the line within an hour or two, and it shouldn't require "persistence" on my part. If this Dana guy is so busy, perhaps they need to create a support department with a bit more depth.
 
Maybe they need to raise their prices so they can provide the level of support expected in our industry.

How you react to the above assertion is a revelation of your own internal - stop to think a minute and you might learn something interesting about your self! ???

PA_Tune said:
OKCRadioGuy said:
1 (866) 815-0866 and be persistant in asking for Dana. He's a busy guy so keep trying.

Sorry, but it shouldn't be that difficult to contact tech support -- ESPECIALLY when you're dealing with something that is required to function 24/7, such as broadcast equipment.

And although Barix equipment isn't all that expensive, it ain't cheap either. I would expect to get a human on the line within an hour or two, and it shouldn't require "persistence" on my part. If this Dana guy is so busy, perhaps they need to create a support department with a bit more depth.
 
Return it and buy a comex or Tieline or apt. They are better by far better support. There's only one problem: Far more cost. It's always those pesky dollars that get in the way of engineeing excellence. Here's a grand idea for ya. Go buy a undervalued station somewhere with money you have to borrow and try to run it as an engineer with all of the finest and best equipment. You'll likely go broke soon. Welcome to the real wold of Barix. Its hard for them to serve steak dinners on the dollar menu ya know....
 
The F Mister said:
Well... We've had a problem with our Barix 6 months back or so. I thought maybe LA_GUY (Dana) wants to help me out quickly so I dropped him an PM on this board. Started off excusing for contacting him directly this way but if willing he could help with our issue. Or otherwise point us in the right direction. Still need to get an answer. So I guess not.

When I previously posted that the last two times I never got a reply from Barix regarding my queries he (LA_GUY) accused me of never contacting him. Like, no kidding, Sherlock! It's not like his screen name shouts out he works for Barix nor is there any sign of a link on the main Barix web site for "U.S.-Based Tech Support" options. It also seems deplorable that they couldn't even hand off my inquiries to somebody but they kept my email address to send me sales-related spam. This lack of customer care makes me think twice about wanting to utilize their products in any of stations I consult for.
 
Let me say this first: I've discovered in the business of customer support, it's impossible to satisfy everyone! I do my best, but it's simply impossible.
Also, there are typically one or two people who literally take HOURS of your time. Add these to what I call the serial upgraders (who constantly scour the Barix web site looking for new firmware and install it the day it comes out-frequently bricking their units in the process), and your day can get pretty busy (what do they say about if it ain't broken.....?).

Then there's the guys who claim their units are broken, so you send them out refurbished ones and IF you get them back (about 20% of the time you don't) 80% of the time they come back fine. All this stuff takes time....

The best one was the guy who called me demanding a replacement Exstreamer. Only one problem: he had never owned one in the first place-he was trying to get one for free! Then I find units that come back hosed and when I open them up I find bad parts from 3 different units (we can trace which parts went into which units).

The best blowup one so far was the guy who crushed the wall transformer on his unit by running over it with his pickup truck. No problem though-he simply cut the wire off and attached a new AC plug to it.
I'm sure you can guess what his Instreamer looked like after he plugged it directly into 120 VAC. Fortunately, he didn't kill himself.

My experience is that the average broadcast engineer has little experience with the concept of networking. They don't understand what a router does or how a firewall works. They can't understand why you can't simply plug units into the wall and have them work (actually with QuikLink IP you can now). I don't know how many times I've been told that "My Internet connection has a static IP address" and when I ask what it is they say: "192.168....." Holding their hands takes a lot of time (and I'm pleased to say that I've never not been able to get someone working). BUT that all said-there's only one of me.

Thank goodness that www.whatismyip.com exists though. Without it, I'd be screwed!

Look, all I can do is this: If you need support, call or email me. My number is 866-815-0866 x9114. My email is [email protected]. I live in Los Angeles, and I'm usually around between at least 8:30 AM and 2 PM pacific time. Mondays and Thursdays are usually the busiest times. If you call and I'm not there, call me back. DON'T message me here-I usually only check here a few times a week. Also, if you have my home phone, try not to call em there. Thanks! :)
 
One more thing: Barix gear is priced about 25% of the cost of similar gear. If you need 100% backup, why not buy a second set? You'll still be saving 50%!

Even better, get QuikLink IP-that way you have a set that can be used ANYWHERE!

Barix strives to get back to anyone within 24 hoursmaximum after a call or email Monday-Friday. If I call and you're not there I always leave a message with my callback number. That's the best I can do. I don't have the time to chase people down. That said, you'd be amazed at how many people claim that I've never left these messages. My Vonage call log doesn't lie and always shows otherwise.

If you want better service, then tell them! They'll hire more people and then raise the prices.

Finally, in my experience, about 75% of the problems that people have can be DIRECTLY traced back to either their Internet connections or their cheap routers. If you are using Netgear routers, do both of us a favor-REPLACE THEM! Linksys and D-Link are okay, but again remember you are using consumer gear in a mission critical environment. Rebooting the router and modem once every other week is a smart idea.
Also, if you are running the units at a transmitter site, please ground the boxes to the station ground-and also run the cables through a toroid ring.

Lately I've been getting a rash of people complaining that their connection, formerly solid, has lately been cutting in and out. Doing a half hour ICMP ping test finds the culprit: excessive packet loss. See, ISPs are oversubscribing their connections more then ever.


I have my own opinions about using DSL or cable Internet for a primary STL. You'll likely get 99% reliability. That means that you'll be down 87.6 hours a year-over 3 days.
I don't know about you, but this is too much for me. If you want better reliability, put in a T1 or a dedicated RF link. OR have a 3g card for your notebook and (again) keep a QuikLink IP on the shelf.
 
I have to report that my reply to the sales promotion email was actually listened to. Brenda Stadheim, Barix USA Vice President, took the time to answer my query and is arranging for demo units to be sent to me for product evaluation. It's a shame that the ball got dropped so badly but I'm happy to report there is one person from the Barix team who is assisting me.
 
"If you are using Netgear routers, do both of us a favor-REPLACE THEM! Linksys and D-Link are okay, but again remember you are using consumer gear in a mission critical environment."

Or better yet, dump the consumer garbage routers all together. Instead, spend $100 and buy a quality Mikrotik router, which is a professional linux router that will work well for mission critical environments. I've had a Mikrotik router plugged into a UPS and it's been up for about 8 months without a hiccup. And once you learn how to configure them, they can do just about anything you would ever want (QoS, VLAN, etc).
Rock solid and affordable.

www.mikrotik.com
www.routerboard.com
 
I've had a lot of success with Draytek routers to the point that i wouldn't use any other brand for soho use. Has anyone else tried them? I'm not sure how big they are in the states.
 
Linksys, Netgear, and D-Link are readily available almost everywhere here in the US, so they have become the choice of many mostly by default (in my opinion). I've heard positive comments about Draytek but have never seen one of the routers.

I once used the Netgear and Linksys routers myself but grew tired of lock-ups, reboots, and overall issues. I set out to locate a commercial grade brand and stumbled across Mikrotik by accident. I love the router and will never go back to the consumer brands. There is a learning curve with these, but, once configured, they are fantastic. (and they don't cost much more than the others).
 
In my experience...

I agree with all of you about routers. I've personally had good luck running DD-WRT third party firmware on a WRT54GL router. I've also had good success with Sonicwall units.
Hotbrick units are supposed to be very good too and they have a unit which sells for around 100 dollars street.

If you have to use a stock cheapo unit, use the Linksys BEFSR41 wired router. They're so simple that usually they run fine.

Virtually EVERY problem I've had with customers complaining that their Exstreamer stops streaming after a week or so until it's power cycled has had to do with cheap routers disconnecting from the unit. The first thing I normally ask them is what router are you using with this? Of course, most customers don't believe that their 25 dollar Airlink, Belkin or Trendnet or the Netgear refurbished router they bought for 12.99 at Fry's could possibly be the problem! It MUST be the 200 dollar Barix unit.
 
I didn't mean to turn this Barix post into a router post, but I'll add a final coment. The better routers, such as Mikrotik and others, would allow one to set up a (quality) QoS priority for the Barix.

Finally, yes, the WRT54GL (Linux model) flashed is impressive.
 
ChiefOperator said:
"If you are using Netgear routers, do both of us a favor-REPLACE THEM! Linksys and D-Link are okay, but again remember you are using consumer gear in a mission critical environment."

Or better yet, dump the consumer garbage routers all together.

I would apply this to all gear you're using in your broadcast facility. There are exceptions to the rule, but experience shows cheap stuff often has poor reliability, poor sound quality, poor design concepts, poor support or any combination of these issues...


Regards,
Goran Tomas
 
Goran Tomas said:
ChiefOperator said:
"If you are using Netgear routers, do both of us a favor-REPLACE THEM! Linksys and D-Link are okay, but again remember you are using consumer gear in a mission critical environment."

Or better yet, dump the consumer garbage routers all together.

I would apply this to all gear you're using in your broadcast facility. There are exceptions to the rule, but experience shows cheap stuff often has poor reliability, poor sound quality, poor design concepts, poor support or any combination of these issues...


Regards,
Goran Tomas





You don't always get what what you pay for, but you sure as heck don't get any extra by accident.
 
Just my two cents>> I have been able to get Dana on the phone and he is very knowledgeable. Barix does have it's nuances. We bought our units from thestreamguys.com . In general, we were much more pleased with their level of support in helping us to get the system running at the level needed. The walked us right through everything.

We don't use them for streaming, but we do purchase our Barix units from them.
 
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