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Barry gets surly.....again

Hey Simon, I don't work in radio.

I'm a listener.

One of those target markets you try to hit.

Your defense of Barry is laudable, but its also a bit scary.

We are all entitled to an opinion, you know mine, I know yours.

I listen to Barry, but I think his show has been lackluster for quite a while, and he really comes off as a jerk lately.

Again, my opinion. Barry is damn lucky there isn't any real competition at his time, Ankarlo is lame, Goyette is rapidly becoming more demented, and KKNT just has the same old stuff.
 
Okay. Your opinion. Wrong. But it's yours. And you're entitled to it. In truth, Barry's hilarious.
Your pomposity is almost as glaring as Barry’s. To assert my “opinion” as “wrong” while then stating yours as “truth” is a typical argument tactic done to demean and discredit the views of others. Your opinion is Barry is “hilarious”, mine wasn’t precisely the opposite of that, but I do have a different take, neither are “right” or “wrong”, they are opinions variable upon personal tastes and what we feel is good radio.
People know the difference. People listen. They enjoy and stay on 550. Arbitron results show this as a FACT,
I wasn’t arguing that point, and since you quoted me, that would presuppose that I made a statement contrary to yours and I did not. I said that Barry has excellent ratings—the reason he does is primarily because he’s the best thing on in this market at that time period (which I stated was sad commentary on this market). I don’t think you can find at any point where I said KFYI wasn’t doing well in the arbitrons—actually, anyone that reads my posts knows that I USUALLY defend KFYI. I don’t hate Barry, he’s probably a pretty good guy, but I believe his show has taken some steps back from what it used to be. He would interact with listeners (actually take phone calls, ::Gasp:: imagine that! Taking calls on a TALK station), do mostly content oriented radio and leave most of the sound effects in the 1970s where they belonged. Barry is a good broadcaster, he is intelligent, savvy and understands the business, which is why it’s even more disappointing to hear how his show has “evolved” the last several years.
You guys can whine and rage and carry on with your jabs and cuts all you like. At the end of the day, Barry wins. You loose. His advertisers win. In fact, if he's "phoning it in," it's the most listened to phone call in Valley Radio. And usually very entertaining.
Preston Westmoreland had pretty good ratings for a time as well, and he mailed in his show every day doing that typical “survey radio” style of talk “what do you think, give me a call!”, “Is it raining where you are?”. Simply saying, “he has good ratings so it must be good and you are wrong if you don’t like it” doesn’t wash with me. Don Imus would get decent ratings in markets until Howard Stern came in and obliterated him off the books. If anyone with some real punch came into the market in the 8am-10am timeslot, Barry would be in the backseat with Snooze 92-3 in the trunk.
Again, wrong. National Arbitron numbers show that you have no idea of what you're saying here any more than before. It's just an opinion, not factual. Not reality. Her numbers are very strong in both 12+ , 25-54 and 35- 64. The show is loved and accepted both by the industry and her listers. Her 400+ affiliates don't believe your absurdity and the people who buy her books don't, the 10 million+ who subscribe to newsletters being sent out each day don't agree with you either.
I will gladly parade a thousand IT professionals onto this board to tell you that Kim’s show is great for beginners or the novice, but generally beneath anyone who has taken more than a semester of a rudimentary computer course. There are a lot of “newbies” in the computer world, therefore plenty of people are able to listen to Kim’s program. I’m not saying everything she says is worthless information, but again, it’s mired in shtick (and as another person said), glitz and rather cheap gimmicks. Not every show that has decent or good ratings is the best show ever, nor does that mean it couldn’t be improved. Most of us on this board are in the radio business, aspire to be, or are avid listeners to terrestrial, satellite and/or internet broadcasts, therefore all of us offer opinions. I offer many solutions to the problems that this market has and go on record BEFORE HAND and state what will and will not work—FREE-FM (predicted by just about everyone to be a failure) is a horrible failure, for example.

Now, if you wish to assert your superiority over those of us on this board who have a contrary opinion to yours, then take it elsewhere. If you wish to offer a counterpoint with some degree of rationality and devoid of childish, ad hominem arguments, then great.
 
KMGX said:
He would interact with listeners (actually take phone calls, ::Gasp:: imagine that! Taking calls on a TALK station),

I think it's called that because the host talks. :)

KMGX said:
Barry is a good broadcaster, he is intelligent, savvy and understands the business, which is why it’s even more disappointing to hear how his show has “evolved” the last several years.

So is Tom Leykis. They're both making millions (although from different sources) and go where the money takes them.
 
Simon Smith said:
Who cares if his last name is Youn?

I think 99% of the posters don't know/don't care what Barry's real last name is. I thought LC dropped the "g" by accident.
 
KJCB said:
KMGX said:
I think it's called that because the host talks. Smiley
Congratulations on missing the point ENTIRELY.

You as well.
sigh. A fine example of taking all comments literally and not reading the entire context of the message--far too common on message boards I guess. So, I suppose I'll dumb it down for you... (I'll preface AGAIN by saying my preference for talk programming is certainly different than some, particularly the person I was addressing earlier).

Talk shows have several elements to them (yes, they're called talk shows because people are talking, wow genius), however that's like saying it's called a motion picture because the picture is in motion. Smartass remarks not withstanding, Good talk shows usually involve 1) a host that does research and show prep on whatever thopcs they may cover, 2) Discussing issues that are of importance to the audience and target demographic 3) INTERACTION with the audience (typically via phone calls), 4) An ability to be entertaining and thought provoking. Naturally there are many others, but for news/talk and in the context I was discussing this issue earlier that's what I meant... imagine that, a talk-show host taking calls, what a concept. I'm not saying you need to rely on callers or solicit callers--because a good talk show host need not do so, but simply talking to hear your own voice for two hours doesn't really connect with the audience for my tastes. Which, as I explained, is why I believe Barry has taken several steps back from where he once was.

Is that clear enough for you KJCB?
 
KMGX said:
KJCB said:
KMGX said:
I think it's called that because the host talks. Smiley
Congratulations on missing the point ENTIRELY.

You as well.
sigh. A fine example of taking all comments literally and not reading the entire context of the message--far too common on message boards I guess. So, I suppose I'll dumb it down for you... (I'll preface AGAIN by saying my preference for talk programming is certainly different than some, particularly the person I was addressing earlier).

Talk shows have several elements to them (yes, they're called talk shows because people are talking, wow genius), however that's like saying it's called a motion picture because the picture is in motion. Smartass remarks not withstanding, Good talk shows usually involve 1) a host that does research and show prep on whatever thopcs they may cover, 2) Discussing issues that are of importance to the audience and target demographic 3) INTERACTION with the audience (typically via phone calls), 4) An ability to be entertaining and thought provoking. Naturally there are many others, but for news/talk and in the context I was discussing this issue earlier that's what I meant... imagine that, a talk-show host taking calls, what a concept. I'm not saying you need to rely on callers or solicit callers--because a good talk show host need not do so, but simply talking to hear your own voice for two hours doesn't really connect with the audience for my tastes. Which, as I explained, is why I believe Barry has taken several steps back from where he once was.

Is that clear enough for you KJCB?

I think you missed the sarcasm of the obvious. Hence, the :)

But I'm glad you took the time to write this thesis to explain it to me, becuz i jss woldnt huv understud that a tak show is were peeple tak withoout ur help.
 
I think you missed the sarcasm of the obvious. Hence, the Smiley

But I'm glad you took the time to write this thesis to explain it to me, becuz i jss woldnt huv understud that a tak show is were peeple tak withoout ur help.
Obviously.

Now, now, we must not degenerate to "GG NO RE KTHX BIBIBIBI" Simply because we don't see eye to eye here, besides KJCB, I think most of us on this thread have general agreement. [EDIT]


[EDIT-inflammatory]
 
Re: Barry gets surly.....again part 339965

My, my! So much chattering while I was out of town. And so little has been said. Yet this thread stumbles and sputters along. Where to begin? Ah yes! First back to TNFBY. It appears from what I've read here, ratings, even large ones don't register with some of you. Make that most of you. And when they do, I read, "Well, if he had any REAL compeition..."

"If." I love that word. "If." Goes with "coudda." And "woudda," "shudda," "outta," and on and on. Meaningless. Things areas they are.

Here's another burst of genus:
KMGX said:
I'm not saying you need to rely on callers or solicit callers--because a good talk show host need not do so, but simply talking to hear your own voice for two hours doesn't really connect with the audience for my tastes. Which, as I explained, is why I believe Barry has taken several steps back from where he once was.

Yet, again having seen Arbitron's monthly's and quartlery's, on an ongoing basis, it would appear that Barry Young ("Youn" to those of you who are apparently in "in the know" ;) ) more than meets the necessary performance levels required with listeners and incoming callers to render such a comment rather baseless. In fact, with his numbers, he really does not appear to be
KMGX said:
"talking to hear (his) own voice for two hours.

But nothing I write here seems to have any meaning for the majority of you readers / posters, either. I'm flatly told to go away until I stop calling other's opinions wrong. Well, someone has to be right and the other is, well, pick your own poison.

This board doesn't need new blood. And since it's Lent (or something like that) I think I'll give up all this "fun through displeasure," the endless criticism and thinly veiled hostility, for the (ever so) slight possibility of a future celestial reward. I mean, what if the MISU are - well - WRONG and the ones over in ROME are right? Or even TBN in Santa Anna?

Happy Easter.
May You All Rise From Whatever State You Are All In.
 
Hilarious stuff. Reminds me of "Private Parts," when the ratings come out and show people that hate Howard Stern listen even longer than the one's who like him. Judging by these postings, the Young one should have some great ratings when they come out again. Poor KTAR.
 
But nothing I write here seems to have any meaning for the majority of you readers / posters, either. I'm flatly told to go away until I stop calling other's opinions wrong. Well, someone has to be right and the other is, well, pick your own poison.

This board doesn't need new blood. And since it's Lent (or something like that) I think I'll give up all this "fun through displeasure," the endless criticism and thinly veiled hostility, for the (ever so) slight possibility of a future celestial reward. I mean, what if the MISU are - well - WRONG and the ones over in ROME are right? Or even TBN in Santa Anna?

Happy Easter.
May You All Rise From Whatever State You Are All In.

[EDIT]:

The opinion with which you disagreed was whether or not Barry is funny. I'm not sure how you can say that such an opinion has a right or wrong, given the subjectivity of humor.

I happen to think that Bill Murray is a funny actor, but my wife disagrees with me. Who is right and who is wrong? Is my wife wrong saying Murray isn't funny? Am I wrong to say that he is? Anyhow, I think you can see where I am headed with this.

Anyhow, perhaps this board isn't for you--Lent or any other high and holy day. Good luck and best wishes, Simon, in your quest for the truth and your celestial reward. ;D


[EDIT-inflammatory]
 
KOHS said:
I happen to think that Bill Murray is a funny actor, but my wife disagrees with me. Who is right and who is wrong?

The correct answer is: YOUR WIFE.
Duh... ;)

And if you don't get this one, good luck. You'll need it.
 
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