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BBC cuts World Service Staff 25%

As the BBC World Service reported yesterday, the BBC World Service is cutting a quarter of its workforce. Some language services are being eliminated, others are being scaled back. There has been no announcement regarding cuts in correspondents around the globe, but such cuts seem likely.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=133241518
 
Maybe now people will begin to realize the depression that has hit the media industry is not limited to corporate radio in the US.
 
TheBigA said:
Maybe now people will begin to realize the depression that has hit the media industry is not limited to corporate radio in the US.

That's one interpretation.

Maybe it's a change in the political winds, which dictate how Her Majesty's government spends her Her Majesty's money.

Maybe a propaganda broadcaster - which is what the World Service is, like the VOA and the rest - is seen as less essential 20 years after the end of the cold war. Or at least some language services are seen as less essential.

I wonder why public radio devotes so much air time to the Beeb - and only to the Beeb. I guess the BBC is cheap, witness stations cutting an hour that used to be Morning Edition and putting the BBC in. But why only the British government's mouthpiece. A few public radio stations do carry WRN in the middle of the night, but not many. Public radio keeps talking about diversity but the only foreign voice we get is from the British government.
 
Maybe it's a change in the political winds, which dictate how Her Majesty's government spends her Her Majesty's money.

Actually, you're 100% correct on this one. The cuts at the BBC have everything to do with the new "austerity" government of new P.M. Cameron. Although for how long that lasts is a good question: Cameron was elected on a wave of free-floating anger that he skillfully channeled into a need for cuts. But so far his efforts have singularly failed to spur private sector hiring to offset the loss of 500k government jobs. (500k in a country less than one-fifth the population of the US, mind you...if it were done here, it'd be like doubling the number of unemployed overnight) So in essence, he's made things a LOT worse over there, with the promise that they'll get better soon. But if things don't get better soon...i.e. by the next election in 2015...it's a good bet he'll be run out of office on a rail.

That long-winded explanation is to say that the future of the BBC is very much up in the air. Much like PBS in the USA, the BBC is often quite popular in the UK...often at a visceral level. So it's possible a lot of cuts might be restored. OTOH, a lot of the cuts are being made in services/regions of the world that tend to serve niche markets, and thus might not be popular enough.


Calling the BBC WS a "propaganda service" is a bit out of line, though. The BBC is known for not being terribly objective about reporting on British issues, this is true. But most of their reporting on "international" (i.e. everything except Britain, which includes the USA) is usually quite good. In fact, that's a major reason why most stations carry the BBC: their reporting on the United States is often excellent. And their reporting on US interests/efforts undertaken overseas (by which I mostly mean our wars, but other stuff, too) is very good, very factual, and very objective. And let's not forget, for a large portion of the globe, they are the sole source of reporting/journalism, period. A lot of the world doesn't have a robust and free media like the US does, after all.

The BBC (distributed in the US by PRI) is relatively cheap to us pubradio stations, that's true. IIRC, once you pay for more than five hours a week, you get unlimited access so you can use as much as you want. Although there are no savings realized by replacing an hour of ME with the BBC; you pay a fixed priced for ME whether you use one hour or two, and whether you repeat it or not.

As for why most stations don't air more WRN or BBC during the daytime, it's simple: listeners generally like national news better than international news. The reason for that is also simple: generally it's harder to make an international story have a "local hook" (i.e. a reason for Joe Average for care) than it is for a domestic story...simply by virtue that a domestic story is affecting other Americans, if nothing else.

Also FWIW, Pacifica is working right now with Al Jazeera English to bring in some of their programming to the USA. I personally have been heckling Pacifica to start airing a lot more of it on their Ku satellite than just the 5-6am ET show. I'm well aware that AJE has some significant bias issues, and they tend to view themselves as "crusading reporters" (words chosen carefully there) more than they probably should. But they're nevertheless a pretty serious news agency with serious assets backing them, and most importantly: their voice is listened to by a huge percentage of the Middle East, and thus their perspective is worth knowing.
 
MattParker said:
A few public radio stations do carry WRN in the middle of the night
A former shortwave listener, I used to think that WRN was a great idea, but look at their agenda.
With all the countries in the middle east, who is the only station they carry daily? KOL Israel.
With all the turmoil on the Korean peninsula, who do they carry? South Korea.
Africa? No one.
The Americas? Canada and UN Radio, not one Latin American voice.
Oceania? Australia and New Zealand.
China is good.
And Europe? Czech, France, Germany, Holland, Ireland, Poland, Romania, Russia, Slovakia, Sweden, Vatican Radio.
With all the countries in the news every day, they carry Vatican Radio?
 
WRN carries Radio Cairo.

You assume agenda with no basis. Could their choices be based on popularity? Availability? Program quality? It certainly provides more range than public radio with only the Beeb.
 
Must admit, my #1 favorite international broadcaster has always been PO Box 222, Hilversum, or RNW.NL
 
MattParker said:
WRN carries Radio Cairo.

You assume agenda with no basis. Could their choices be based on popularity? Availability? Program quality? It certainly provides more range than public radio with only the Beeb.

It may be the broadcaster's ability to deliver a program in the proper language. Although WRN also offers program in German, French, Russian, and Arabic.

A lot of international broadcasters have drastically cut their services. Virtually all of them have stopped broadcasting to North America, although some have continued shortwave to Africa and Asia. And there have been cuts in the number of languages offered.
 
aaronread said:
Maybe it's a change in the political winds, which dictate how Her Majesty's government spends her Her Majesty's money.

Actually, you're 100% correct on this one. The cuts at the BBC have everything to do with the new "austerity" government of new P.M. Cameron. Although for how long that lasts is a good question: Cameron was elected on a wave of free-floating anger that he skillfully channeled into a need for cuts. But so far his efforts have singularly failed to spur private sector hiring to offset the loss of 500k government jobs. (500k in a country less than one-fifth the population of the US, mind you...if it were done here, it'd be like doubling the number of unemployed overnight) So in essence, he's made things a LOT worse over there, with the promise that they'll get better soon. But if things don't get better soon...i.e. by the next election in 2015...it's a good bet he'll be run out of office on a rail.

We can but hope! That still gives four more years of the bleeder! :D


Calling the BBC WS a "propaganda service" is a bit out of line, though. The BBC is known for not being terribly objective about reporting on British issues, this is true. But most of their reporting on "international" (i.e. everything except Britain, which includes the USA) is usually quite good. In fact, that's a major reason why most stations carry the BBC: their reporting on the United States is often excellent. And their reporting on US interests/efforts undertaken overseas (by which I mostly mean our wars, but other stuff, too) is very good, very factual, and very objective.

Hmm, interesting. You see, living in the UK, I would put it the other way around! The domestic BBC is very objective in reporting UK politics and current affairs, but I think their coverage of US domestic and foreign policy (of which we get quite a bit) seems liberally skewed. They certainly seemed anti-W.Bush.

Don't get me wrong-that would certainly co-incide with my own biases, but I'm not claiming to be objective and the BBC are.
 
Hmm, interesting. You see, living in the UK, I would put it the other way around! The domestic BBC is very objective in reporting UK politics and current affairs, but I think their coverage of US domestic and foreign policy (of which we get quite a bit) seems liberally skewed. They certainly seemed anti-W.Bush.

Having never lived outside the US, I admit I get most of my info about the BBC's objectivity second-hand. I have been privileged enough to interact with a lot of people from outside the US, mainly the UK, France, South Africa, India, South Korea, and Malaysia. (my wife was an international student advisor for many years at multiple colleges in Boston) Most of them said they thought the BBC was very objective whenever reporting on their home country...except for the folks I knew from the U.K., who said the opposite. (shrugs) But by definition most of these people I was talking with are from a self-selecting crowd: people who chose to come halfway around the globe to go to college in a foreign land for four years. Undoubtedly that takes a different mindset than most folks have in any country.

I suppose it could be that they consider the Beeb to be objective when compared to their domestic news media. Certainly I would feel that way about BBC coverage of "Dubya" Bush, since I would deem most US media coverage of him was hopelessly slanted in his favor. And by "most" I mean most commercial media (which dominates the media landscape in the US).

And I suppose the argument of "bias" is getting harder and harder to objectify with the rise of the Age of Having Your Own Facts. (i.e.: if someone reports something that doesn't square perfectly with your own set of opinions, they automatically must be biased and lying.)
 
There's the Beeb and there's the World Service. The Beeb is paid for by a licensing fee on receivers (in effect, a mandatory subscription) and there are political fire walls intended to keep it independent of the current government. The World Service is paid for by the government and like the VOA represents the government in power to the outside world.
 
MattParker said:
There's the Beeb and there's the World Service. The Beeb is paid for by a licensing fee on receivers (in effect, a mandatory subscription) and there are political fire walls intended to keep it independent of the current government.

That license fee ONLY goes to the BBC, and is not shared with the various independent commercial TV & radio operators in the UK. So in that way, it's similar to taxing US citizens for public broadcasting.
 
The World Service is paid for by the government and like the VOA represents the government in power to the outside world.

That's a bit of a stretch. According to the wikipedia page, which does cite official sources, the BBC World Service is funded primarily by grant-in-aid through the Foreign and Commonwealth Office (of the British gov't) but that they have complete editorial independence. FWIW, in 2014 the BBC World Service's funding will switch to the compulsory "TV license fee."

I don't think comparing WS and VOA is really apples to apples. The WS was founded as a means of providing news and information to and from all of Britain's various colonies across the globe...which used to be quite a few, some of which rather major. (India, anyone?) VOA, on the other hand, was founded as, quite literally, a pro-US propaganda service to counteract German propaganda during WWII, and then really ratcheted things up for the Cold War. It wasn't until the 1990's that VOA was transferred out of the US Information Agency and put under the Broadcasting Board of Governors to create greater editorial independence, and today one could say the nowadays VOA is trying to be more like the BBC World Service. Although I believe the WS is available domestically to UK citizens, whereas there are no AM/FM radio stations that I'm aware of that broadcast VOA programming. I have heard that it's legally prohibited but cannot find anything to confirm/deny that rumor, but there is only one VOA shortwave transmitter remaining in the US.

Funny you should mention VOA, though. I don't hear anyone screaming that the $206.5 million dollars the VOA gets every year...ALL of it from taxpayers...should be de-funded.
 
aaronread said:
I don't hear anyone screaming that the $206.5 million dollars the VOA gets every year...should be de-funded.
That's because defunding "The Voice" would be like defunding the military, although the VOA is now or is becoming just another choice on the web, although local and national stations in friendly countries also carry them.
 
Funny you should mention VOA funding: Obama wants to cut it to keep money going to public radio,

As you say, the government controls the purse strings to the World Service. Just like politicians here control CPB funding. And the people at the World Service know which way political winds blow and they know to keep the government from getting unhappy. Public radio has other sources of funding. The World Service does not. Only one hand feeds it and the people there know to lick it and not bite it.

The World Service does not do broadcasts targeted to Britain but nothing stops people from hearing it if they want to, just as people here can listen to the VOA if they want.

India was never a colony. It was a possession.

It is curious that of all the international broadcasters in the world, US public radio carries only the BBC (except for a few stations that take WRN in the middle of the night). Yes, some stations do take the CBC's As It Happens from PRI but that is produced by Radio One, not RCI. Still among public radio's biases is extreme Anglo-centrism.
 
Just on the issue of domestic availabilty, the World Service is available throughout the UK on digital Radio and via digital TV. It is currently also on AM in the London area, but I believe that is about to be switched off as part of the cuts.

Around 3% of the UK population tune in regularly, compared with 20% for Radio 4


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Interesting piece here http://www.journalism.co.uk/news/sh...lity-says-outgoing-trust-chairman/s2/a542924/ from Michael Lyons, outgoing chairman of the BBC trust who thinks the World Service will now be more impartial as a result of being funded from the licence fee not direct government grant.
 
Just on the issue of domestic availabilty, the World Service is available throughout the UK on digital Radio and via digital TV. It is currently also on AM in the London area, but I believe that is about to be switched off as part of the cuts.

Just to clarify: while digital radio is far from a "success" in the UK, it's a heckuva lot better than in the US. So to say that it's available via digital radio and digital TV's (which can receive DAB signals) means that the signal is available to a sizable amount of the population of the UK, whereas receiver penetration of IBOC in the US is so low that only a comparatively tiny minority can receive digital radio as of yet.


Funny you should mention VOA funding: Obama wants to cut it to keep money going to public radio,

I didn't know that, but it appears the entire agency is not doomed...they're just lopping off services to various countries (most recently China) as they go. Probably a "death by a thousand little cuts" sort-of thing.

And I don't see any specific correlation between reducing VOA funding to maintain CPB funding. I think your bias is showing. ::)
 
MattParker said:
Still among public radio's biases is extreme Anglo-centrism.

Or perhaps a function of English services available that are most like American services. I remember at my public station, we received programming from Radio Deutche-Welle, RAI in Rome, CBC International, and even a classical show from Radio Japan. We used this stuff to fill gaps in our schedule because it was free. But it didn't fit the American sense of what radio programming should be. CBC was perhaps the best.
 
e-dawg said:
BBC world service can be heard on AM 648 in UK and overnights on BBC Radio 4 LW 198, FM92-95.

648 closes on March 27th as part of the cuts. It was only ever available in the south east of England anyway.

The best way to hear the World Service in the UK is to buy a digital radio.
 
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