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BBC Radio 1 vs Robbins/etc

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Renegade_X

With BBC moving to Sirius, I have to ask....-What becomes of those songs not released in the USA?

Assuming BBC becomes a hit on Sirius, it's going to introduce the US marketplace to a whack of new music. What becomes of those hits on BBC R1 that we all get exposed too, but cannot purchase? An example would be Natasha B - These Words..which was released in the UK late in 2004? And what of all those dance songs played by BBC that are not available to the US buying public (outside of online purchasing).

In my opinion, R1 is the worlds best FM radio station. It's a powerhouse that has defined UK culture and most definately has a very powerful effect on the success of singles in the UK. How will labels react as BBC becomes more of a name in the US? And how long until other stations, smelling the money BBC is getting from Sirius try to hop on board of the retransmission deal?

And on another topic, what would you like to see put on the Sirius band? I'd hope they'd stream Metro FM Brasil, or better, Energia (which I consider a flagship for dance & urban). And maybe IDT in Germany.
 
> With BBC moving to Sirius, I have to ask....-What becomes of
> those songs not released in the USA?
>
> Assuming BBC becomes a hit on Sirius, it's going to
> introduce the US marketplace to a whack of new music. What
> becomes of those hits on BBC R1 that we all get exposed too,
> but cannot purchase? An example would be Natasha B - These
> Words..which was released in the UK late in 2004? And what
> of all those dance songs played by BBC that are not
> available to the US buying public (outside of online
> purchasing).
>
> In my opinion, R1 is the worlds best FM radio station. It's
> a powerhouse that has defined UK culture and most definately
> has a very powerful effect on the success of singles in the
> UK. How will labels react as BBC becomes more of a name in
> the US? And how long until other stations, smelling the
> money BBC is getting from Sirius try to hop on board of the
> retransmission deal?
>
> And on another topic, what would you like to see put on the
> Sirius band? I'd hope they'd stream Metro FM Brasil, or
> better, Energia (which I consider a flagship for dance &
> urban). And maybe IDT in Germany.
>


Before it becomes more of a name in the US to cause reaction, Sirius itself is going to have to become an even bigger name. Right now I just consider it to be another niche offering surrounded by many other "Choices". Also Sirius doesn't have the bandwith to stream all these European stations like you mentioned.
 
> And on another topic, what would you like to see put on the
> Sirius band? I'd hope they'd stream Metro FM Brasil, or
> better, Energia (which I consider a flagship for dance &
> urban). And maybe IDT in Germany.
>
Just a minor correction, ID&T is a Dutch-based company. Nowadays though the name of the station is Slam FM, and thankfully can still be heard all over Holland.
Germany's leading Dance station is Sunshine Live, which can be heard all over Germany on cable radio, as well as on terrestrial FM radio in cities like Stuttgart and Frankfurt.
 
>
>
> Before it becomes more of a name in the US to cause
> reaction, Sirius itself is going to have to become an even
> bigger name. Right now I just consider it to be another
> niche offering surrounded by many other "Choices". Also
> Sirius doesn't have the bandwith to stream all these
> European stations like you mentioned.
>

Correct.
 
For now. Satellite radio is gaining an audience faster than the Internet did in the initial stages (and it's American & Canadian only).

I don't think it would be a stretch to say that if BBC is successful on Sirius that within a few years their overall CUME will exceed that of nearly every CHR in the USA.

Sirius is HOT man.
>
> Correct.
>
 
Well with the Diversity of Programming (and Excellent programming at that!) this is INCREDIBLE NEWS for Dance fans!

I have routinely enjoyed both Essential shows, Fergie's show, Annie Mac, Annie Nightingale, etc... What Great news!
 
BBC is perhaps the most well rounded radio station on the planet. It's everything, great imaging, great music, great diversity and most of all, great personalities. Guys like Jules or Tong believe and LOVE this scene. In fact, some of 'em define and built this scene.

I truly hope it's a smash success and that success makes terrestial radio take a look at itself and what it's not doing.

Well with the Diversity of Programming (and Excellent
> programming at that!) this is INCREDIBLE NEWS for Dance
> fans!
>
> I have routinely enjoyed both Essential shows, Fergie's
> show, Annie Mac, Annie Nightingale, etc... What Great news!
>
 
> Assuming BBC becomes a hit on Sirius, it's going to
> introduce the US marketplace to a whack of new music. What
> becomes of those hits on BBC R1 that we all get exposed too,
> but cannot purchase? An example would be Natasha B - These
> Words..which was released in the UK late in 2004? And what
> of all those dance songs played by BBC that are not
> available to the US buying public (outside of online
> purchasing).

Those songs have been introduced to XM listeners through U-Pop for years and it hasn't made an impact on buying habits, and XM has more than double the amount of listeners as Sirius. Similarly, the dance stations on both services have been playing international hits. Why do you expect the BBC to have such an impact?

I think it's great that BBC Radio 1 is coming on to Sirius's lineup, but let's face it, it's a niche product. It won't be outcuming Z100 anytime soon.
 
> > Assuming BBC becomes a hit on Sirius, it's going to
> > introduce the US marketplace to a whack of new music.
> What
> > becomes of those hits on BBC R1 that we all get exposed
> too,
> > but cannot purchase? An example would be Natasha B -
> These
> > Words..which was released in the UK late in 2004? And
> what
> > of all those dance songs played by BBC that are not
> > available to the US buying public (outside of online
> > purchasing).
>
> Those songs have been introduced to XM listeners through
> U-Pop for years and it hasn't made an impact on buying
> habits, and XM has more than double the amount of listeners
> as Sirius. Similarly, the dance stations on both services
> have been playing international hits. Why do you expect the
> BBC to have such an impact?
>
> I think it's great that BBC Radio 1 is coming on to Sirius's
> lineup, but let's face it, it's a niche product. It won't
> be outcuming Z100 anytime soon.
>


I don't think anybody really cares about ROBBINS thoughts on Radio 1 coming to Sirius,too bad the thread got off on that foot...anyways....... UPOP is unlistenable to me and while it may share some songs in common with Radio 1, it is by far 100 times more cheese/commercial orientated with no specialty dance programming, further more the dance stations on both XM and Sirius are not in the same league as BBC Radio 1. Maybe you are not familiar their programming or imaging.
 
> BBC is perhaps the most well rounded radio station on the
> planet. It's everything, great imaging, great music, great
> diversity and most of all, great personalities. Guys like
> Jules or Tong believe and LOVE this scene. In fact, some of
> 'em define and built this scene.
>
> I truly hope it's a smash success and that success makes
> terrestial radio take a look at itself and what it's not
> doing.
>
> Well with the Diversity of Programming (and Excellent
> > programming at that!) this is INCREDIBLE NEWS for Dance
> > fans!
> >
> > I have routinely enjoyed both Essential shows, Fergie's
> > show, Annie Mac, Annie Nightingale, etc... What Great
> news!
> >
>
You can purchase a large majority of tunes u hear on Radio 1 from:

<url>www.amazon.co.uk</url><P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by TheBeat on 08/03/05 03:20 AM.</FONT></P>
 
> I don't think anybody really cares about ROBBINS thoughts on
> Radio 1 coming to Sirius,too bad the thread got off on that
> foot...anyways....... UPOP is unlistenable to me and while
> it may share some songs in common with Radio 1, it is by far
> 100 times more cheese/commercial orientated with no
> specialty dance programming, further more the dance stations
> on both XM and Sirius are not in the same league as BBC
> Radio 1. Maybe you are not familiar their programming or
> imaging.

I've heard them, and they do sound good. I just don't think that them coming to Sirius is going to make all of America want to buy imports. I was also pointing out that there are a lot of imports on satellite radio already.
 
You're missing the point

Both Sirius and XM are niche players in the market. They are also part of the fastest growing technology on the planet.

Have any of you been wired 10 or more years? This internet you play on was deemed to be the CB Radio of the 90s by CBS. I can recall scores of people claiming it was a stupid fad in 95. No one could see what could happen.

When Fanning released Napster into the wild (he built it to share music with his friends), the industry ignored it, again, a fad. Only that fad became a monster and 5 years later, we now buy music in digital format. This is the infant stage.

When the iPod was released, it was commonplace to label it a failure. No one would buy music online, and certainly no one would pay that much for an iPod. Today, it's the reason Apple Corp makes money.

Cell Phones: 10 years ago it was not feasible to consider that cell phones would someday outnumber landlines. This is the case, specially with young people.

And finally VoIP. Now the bane of Telco's, it was an idea that was feasible years ago on a small level. No one paid attention. Today, telco's scramble as Vonage, etc...eat into their market share.

So I think you're all a bit short sighted on Satellite radio and it's effects on this business. Don't kid yourself. This is a new technology, it's relatively unknown to the mainstream, but it's a wildfire to the music fan. It's numbers are exceeding growth figures of the early internet. Sirius and XM will be cool.....

And you forget whats on the horizon. Rumours of the iPod with Satellite radio built in. Car companies now embracing XM and Sirius. Cell phone networks devising plans to stream music.

Is Sirius a threat today? No. But pick up the business section today. Notice the article on how GM bonds are now Junk status. JUNK!. Long ago, this cavalier corporation shrugged off those tinpot imports we now call Honda and Toyota. And Toyota has outsold Ford in the past 6 months.

The march of technology is ruthless. It's easier to deal with it now, than play catchup.
 
Re: You're missing the point

> So I think you're all a bit short sighted on Satellite radio
> and it's effects on this business. Don't kid yourself. This
> is a new technology, it's relatively unknown to the
> mainstream, but it's a wildfire to the music fan. It's
> numbers are exceeding growth figures of the early internet.
> Sirius and XM will be cool.....
>
> And you forget whats on the horizon. Rumours of the iPod
> with Satellite radio built in. Car companies now embracing
> XM and Sirius. Cell phone networks devising plans to stream
> music.

I'm not underestimating the power of satellite at all. There's no doubt it will grow, but many people get satellite to hear rock or country i.e. genres that already are accepted in the American mainstream. What I am saying is that BBC Radio 1/U-Pop/BPM/The Beat are niches, which is why it will be hard for these stations to have a major effect on the music biz.

Your original premise was that the BBC coming onto Sirius is going to have tons of listeners clamoring to get international hits released here. I just don't see that happening. Even when Sirius and XM break the 10 million mark in subscribers, BBC Radio 1 is not going to have a huge amount of listeners. Most of the top 40 listeners will stick with Sirius Hits 1 or another satellite CHR that is programmed to America's tastes. BBC Radio 1 will be a neat station for those of us who like to know what's hot overseas, but I don't think it will be one of Sirius's more popular channels.
 
Re: You're missing the point

Have you given thought to the number of people that stream BBC in the US now? It's probable that the BBC may have swung this Sirius deal...to eliminate the huge streaming costs they incur (some of it North Americans). Their streaming costs are in the millions of dollars and millions of streams a year.

And what's to stop the success of bbc in the Uk from happening here. Radio 1 UK has a Weekly Cume of nearly 13 million. Moyles AM drive cume is around 7.5 million. The population of the UK is about 66 million (give or take a few million).

I think that within 24 months of going on Sirius, BBC Radio 1 will become the "CHR" of Sirius. Given the rapid growth of the Sirius subscriber base, which will only increase, it's very likely the weekly CUME on Radio 1 at Sirius will match or better many of the massive CHRs in large American cities.

And you're saying so what, Z100 doesn't make or break a label. No, but they do make and can break a record. And when BBC picks up a track, and it catches on in the USA, the rest of the sheep will follow. Because...when a radio MD has his back against the wall...and it's either kiss the ass of the label rep or play the record he's got 100 requests for, he'll play the record.

So what if that record isn't for sale here?

The world is global now mate. Most of this forum tunes in online and probably has for some time. There are no more borders online, there are no "imports" or "domestic" releases. There is music. And if the listener can't get the musically locally, they'll get it somehow...and you know how.

The BBC will just accelerate that. And that's a good thing, because frankly, I'm really sick of having to pay extra for a song from the other side of the world when I can hear it sitting in my office in Toronto Ontario.
>
> I'm not underestimating the power of satellite at all.
> There's no doubt it will grow, but many people get satellite
> to hear rock or country i.e. genres that already are
> accepted in the American mainstream. What I am saying is
> that BBC Radio 1/U-Pop/BPM/The Beat are niches, which is why
> it will be hard for these stations to have a major effect on
> the music biz.
>
> Your original premise was that the BBC coming onto Sirius is
> going to have tons of listeners clamoring to get
> international hits released here. I just don't see that
> happening. Even when Sirius and XM break the 10 million
> mark in subscribers, BBC Radio 1 is not going to have a huge
> amount of listeners. Most of the top 40 listeners will
> stick with Sirius Hits 1 or another satellite CHR that is
> programmed to America's tastes. BBC Radio 1 will be a neat
> station for those of us who like to know what's hot
> overseas, but I don't think it will be one of Sirius's more
> popular channels.
>
 
Re: You're missing the point

> BBC Radio 1 will be a neat
> station for those of us who like to know what's hot
> overseas, but I don't think it will be one of Sirius's more
> popular channels.

I'm inclined to agree here. Not to knock BBC Radio 1, which I agree is an excellent outlet all around, but I think its impact for Sirius is being a bit over-estimated at this point. For music connoisseurs, this'll be a real treat, though I imagine it may go largely unnoticed by many.

And do we know for certain that Sirius intends to broadcast Radio 1 without alteration? I know that alot of the third party channels and content over on XM is broadcast in blocks and chunks; it doesn't always air everything you'd normally find from the parent source.

- M<P ID="signature">______________
Marcus McBride
Supermixx/XM
Select Mix</P><P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by Metro on 08/03/05 09:41 PM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: You're missing the point

Info I have is that the station will be broadcast in full, 24 hours a day, but on a time delay. That way we hear Chris Moyles in the morning.

Two years guys and this thing stomps through America. And add Canada to the list. 31 million of us up here, maybe 4 CHR's. Sirius and XM were just allowed into Canada but the grey market is believed to be in excess of 50 000 units. We ain't got much on the dial.

> I'm inclined to agree here. Not to knock BBC Radio 1, which
> I agree is an excellent outlet all around, but I think its
> impact for Sirius is being a bit over-estimated at this
> point. For music connoisseurs, this'll be a real treat,
> though I imagine it may go largely unnoticed by many.
>
> And do we know for certain that Sirius intends to broadcast
> Radio 1 without alteration? I know that alot of the third
> party channels and content over on XM is broadcast in blocks
> and chunks; it doesn't always air everything you'd normally
> find from the parent source.
>
> - M
>
 
Re: You're missing the point

> And what's to stop the success of bbc in the Uk from
> happening here. Radio 1 UK has a Weekly Cume of nearly 13
> million.

Will Americans really want to listen to 'foreign' radio? I know it's not quite the same as in Europe where it'd be in another language, but still, I would've thought Americans would want American DJs on their radios. Certainly that would apply over here - I don't think Z100 on DAB (Digital radio system here in the UK) would make a lot of headway, although maybe more than a couple of the badly automated jukeboxes that currently fill the system.

Having said that, Radio 1 was VERY successful on FM in Dublin back in the 1990s - it used to be relayed by a pirate, Freedom 92, for large chunks of the day. But then Ireland's a lot closer to the UK than the US is, both physically and culturally.

> I think that within 24 months of going on Sirius, BBC Radio
> 1 will become the "CHR" of Sirius.

I really doubt it - though of course I haven't heard a lot of US terrestrial radio (is it really that bad that people would prefer listening to a prerecorded foreign station!?).

> And you're saying so what, Z100 doesn't make or break a
> label. No, but they do make and can break a record. And
> when BBC picks up a track, and it catches on in the USA, the
> rest of the sheep will follow.

I think that sort of thing is much more likely... if Radio 1 is heard in the US even by a small number of people it could result in music and perhaps other ideas (on a limited scale) filtering through into mainstream US radio. Rather like the role pirate radio in London plays in getting dance music onto Radio 1 :) Probably the audience isn't that big, but it definately has a big effect.
 
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