In a story I read about this case elsewhere, it labeled her "Ramsey’s former administrative assistant", as if she was his admin, not just an administrative assistant working somewhere randomly within the company. If that's the case, she probably has a solid handle on the inner workings and his personal manner of operating. She may even have some dirt. Regardless, it should be an interesting case, unless he settles out of court (possibly a good sum in exchange for her to sign an NDA and go away) just to quiet her up.
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Yes, I'm thinking it will be settled out of court as well. Either way, Ramsey deserves to be severely reprimanded for his abhorrent employment policies.
Interesting discussion everyone!
All I'll say to this is that (hopefully) Ramsey will face the consequences of his actions, or should I say lack of action. Gender discrimination in the workplace is never okay.
It doesn't matter whether it pertains to a tenured employee or job applicant. If involving the employee' religious slant, when dealing with a religious-based organization, the employer has a lot of leeway. If the boss decides you no longer fit in the same religious values embraced by the organization, you can be fired (or not hired) for cause.
My oldest son ran into this a couple years ago. He applied for a production gig at a fairly large Christian station. The first question from the GM; 'Have you been baptized?' Answer: no. Next question: 'Have you accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior?' My son answered: 'Uh.. well.'
Interview-over. The GM said he was only going to hire people who shared a common value system as dictated by, I assume, him. After I heard this, I contacted one of my broadcast lawyers to see if this was kosher. Come to find out, as per the Supreme Court ruling, it was.
Thanks for sharing your son's experience Kelly. I think his situation was a little different than (plaintiff) O'Connor is facing though. At least your son knew immediately that the "interview was over", according to your comments.
But firing a pregnant woman is something else entirely, especially when Ramsey kept Hogan around after two years of his extra-marital affairs. Where was the moral compass in that scenario? Apparently it was thrown out the window of Ramsey Cult Solutions.
Still, I get your point though, and I agree that it probably happens frequently with these so-called "businesses of faith". Hopefully your son found something much better than working for a schmuck like Ramsey.
Respect.
I think the split-hairs (and I'm not a lawyer and do not play one on the internet) might be is whether Ramsey's organization is a religious (such as para-church organization) or a regular business (which, by the way, has recieved several million in corporate welfare from the state of Tennessee for his headquarters) that offers financial counseling and other products.Thanks for sharing your son's experience Kelly. I think his situation was a little different than (plaintiff) O'Connor is facing though. At least your son knew immediately that the "interview was over", according to your comments.
But firing a pregnant woman is something else entirely, especially when Ramsey kept Hogan around after two years of his extra-marital affairs. Where was the moral compass in that scenario? Apparently it was thrown out the window of Ramsey Cult Solutions.
Still, I get your point though, and I agree that it probably happens frequently with these so-called "businesses of faith". Hopefully your son found something much better than working for a schmuck like Ramsey.
Respect.
I would expect that if I wanted to work for EMF, BBN, etc I'd be expected to sign onto their Statement of Faith, which would outline doctrine and accepted views of the Trinity, afterlife, method of salvation and human sexuality. If, on the other hand, I was going to work at an iHeart station that played Contemporary Christian or Gospel music, I don't know that they could even require me to be a Christian, as long as I could execute the format and perform the job.
Pregnancy is still a protected class under federal law, even if Dave would like to brand the errant employee a slut and stone her. We will see what courts say.
Interesting you should post this @gr8oldies as I was literally just typing a reply to @Kelly A's post above, as you posted your comment. That was also my question as well: Ramsey's company is not affiliated with a religious organization or church, and at quick glance, his website doesn't mention much of anything that I saw about God, religion or prayer. So is his company in fact a religious organization, or is it just a "regular" company that happens to be run by a guy with religious beliefs?
Open question: Does anyone know if and how things like this have played out at companies like Hobby Lobby or Chick-fil-A? Both those companies are also run by people or families with religious convictions, both Chick-fil-A's restaurants and Hobby Lobby's stores are closed on Sundays to allow their employees to attend church and have family time, etc. Do they also have rules their personnel are expected to follow, even outside of work hours and in their private lives?
Although this is probably not the situation in this specific case, but had the pregnancy been the result of in vitro fertilization, would there be the same grounds for termination?
Hobby Lobby had a case go to the Supreme Court, which they won:
Supreme Court rules for Hobby Lobby in contraception case
The Supreme Court has ruled in a narrow 5-4 decision that a closely-held company can be exempt from the contraceptive coverage under the Affordable Care Act.
www.msnbc.com
I'm guessing Dave would dissaprove if the woman was not legally married.,
I looked and Financial Peace University is a 501(c)3. I don't know if that applies to the whole organization.
@BigA I'm aware of the Hobby Lobby decision, where the company sought exemption from offering 4 kinds of birth control they considered "abortifacients"; it remains to be seen what happens with firing a pregnant woman (still a protected class) for religious reasons. Wondering if this could end up at the newly McConnell/Trump SCOTUS
Oh yes, my son landed in a much better spot. He works as an independent business contracted for several major game developers, creating spots for their new games that run on platforms like Twitch TV and YouTube. He took my advice and stayed away from radio.But firing a pregnant woman is something else entirely, especially when Ramsey kept Hogan around after two years of his extra-marital affairs. Where was the moral compass in that scenario? Apparently it was thrown out the window of Ramsey Cult Solutions.
Still, I get your point though, and I agree that it probably happens frequently with these so-called "businesses of faith". Hopefully your son found something much better than working for a schmuck like Ramsey.
Over the past 6 months he's added to the business, building and editing movie trailers for a couple major studios. Last count, I think he's got at least four other editors working for him.
Good points there gr8... Well said.
Good to hear! Thanks for responding.
If she doesn't "win" by (a likely) settlement, I hope it does go the Supreme Court.
If that's the case, it's time for the IRS to audit Ramsey Cult Solutions.
If Financial Peace University is a 501(c)3, it may be classified as a ministry. If so, then a ministry has sort of a blank check sort of policy on work conditions, culture and such. The IRS has no reason to audit. In fact, whether for profit or not, the IRS audits both including the right to determine if conditions of the 501(c)3 have been violated. Keep in mind, the IRS has no issue with the fact the Catholic Church does not make females or married persons priests. Wouldn't that be a form of discrimination to some? I took a look at the requirements for Lakewood Church at one point. Part of that job requirement was to be a member and active participant in the Church. There were many other requirements that could be stated as dictating lifestyle. Perfectly legal. There had been a case where EEO was questioned, it seems at the FCC, for the Lutheran denomination that held the AM & FM in St. Louis. The determination was the church had the right to restrict employment to those who subscribed to the beliefs and/or moral teachings. If the portion of the Ramsey organization is deemed a ministry that cuts the checks for employees, then they can set the lifestyle standards. In fact, it would be not quite fair to compare one firing to another as the specifics of each can be about like apples and oranges. Unless we have specifics that likely only Ramsey's group has exclusively, we really cannot say.
In Ramsey's defense, love him or hate him, he has helped lots of people over the years with simple common sense advice. One should, in my opinion weigh the good and bad. We, as humans, tend to have both positive and negative traits. I think we all hope our good traits can outshine the bad. That's not a cop out to not improve, just a basic statement.
In Ramsey's defense, love him or hate him, he has helped lots of people over the years with simple common sense advice. One should, in my opinion weigh the good and bad. We, as humans, tend to have both positive and negative traits. I think we all hope our good traits can outshine the bad. That's not a cop out to not improve, just a basic statement.
We'll ultimately see what the courts say. It's always about controlling women.
Unfortunately at the root of it are some ages old double standards that one would hope are considered long passe and archaic by now: If a woman is intimate with a few different guys, she's labeled a slut. If a guy hooks up with that same number of women and more, he's labeled a stud and gets a pat on the back from his buddies.
There were at least a few high profile cases within the past decade where Republican men or a male member of the religious right got caught committing adultery, and somehow it was spun to make it his wife's fault, saying if she'd have been more accommodating to his "needs", made herself more attractive and been serving her husband properly, he wouldn't have "had" to look elsewhere to find what he wasn't getting at home. If I'm not mistaken, Pat Robertson was one of the people making those types of comments at one point. Troubling.
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Beyond the scope of the conversation, but in purity culture is the woman's responsibility to keep men from sinning.
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