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Beat, River trading frequencies in Austin

"The Beat" is cursed in the ATX. Regardless of the radio company, it just cannot stay in one place.
 
The Beat has garnered a lot of ratings in 8 months, for various reasons. CC wants to put it on a better frequency and keep the format should they be able to sell 105.9.
 
Once again, I have one less Hip-Hop station to listen in Killeen. I don't know why they are moving to a smaller signal where the people who lives up in the Killeen-Temple area cannot receive the signal and can't always stand listening to Z92.3 or B106 and some people like myself prefer the Austin stations better than the radio stations in the Killeen-Temple area. They did the same thing back in Februrary of '07 when they moved The Beat Hip-Hop format from 104.3 to 104.9. It don't make sense. They should keep the format on a signal where you could hear from at least New Braunfels to the Killeen-Temple area like the old Beat 104.3 and Hot 93.3 days.
 
Blacknight said:
They should keep the format on a signal where you could hear from at least New Braunfels to the Killeen-Temple area like the old Beat 104.3 and Hot 93.3 days.

I decided to reply to you to help you understand how this business works. Ad sales are based on local market, which means that revenue doesn't really change if they have 1 listener in Killeen-Temple or 300,000. (Minus the occasional Automax buy.) What matters is how many listeners in desirable demographics do they have in Austin. That's all that matters. Killeen-Temple and New Braunfels are both outside of the Austin market. The don't matter. Clear Channel doesn't care if you listen to The Beat or not if you are not in Austin. In fact, they probably wish you wouldn't listen to The Beat and punch to Z instead.

Here's a suggestion: If you want to listen to Austin stations, move to Austin.
 
Blacknight said:
Once again, I have one less Hip-Hop station to listen in Killeen. I don't know why they are moving to a smaller signal where the people who lives up in the Killeen-Temple area cannot receive the signal and can't always stand listening to Z92.3 or B106 and some people like myself prefer the Austin stations better than the radio stations in the Killeen-Temple area. They did the same thing back in Februrary of '07 when they moved The Beat Hip-Hop format from 104.3 to 104.9. It don't make sense. They should keep the format on a signal where you could hear from at least New Braunfels to the Killeen-Temple area like the old Beat 104.3 and Hot 93.3 days.

Well, I always thought that 105.9 was stronger than 102.3, but I may be wrong. I always pick up 105.9 on my radio scan, but its harder for me to pick up 102.3 south of San Marcos and North of Georgetown.

Which is the stronger station anyway?
-105.9 has an ERP of 4500 watts, but an HAAT of 1300 ft.
-102.3 has an ERP of 26000 watts, but an HAAT of only 690ft.

So which is stronger?

Would 102.3 have a stronger coverage area if its HAAT was at 1300 also?
 
I guess Clear Channel is serious about The Beat. Now how about some personalities?
 
wild949austin said:
Which is the stronger station anyway?
-105.9 has an ERP of 4500 watts, but an HAAT of 1300 ft.
-102.3 has an ERP of 26000 watts, but an HAAT of only 690ft.

So which is stronger?

In theory... 102.3, but the difference is negligible. (the local terrain will make more difference than the difference in facilities)

According to the FCC propagation curves, at a distance of 30 miles 105.9 will deliver a signal of 60.1dBu. (this is just barely strong enough to be protected from interference. In practice it'll come in just fine on most car radios but may be marginal on cheap clock radios/"Walkmen"/etc.) At the same distance, 102.3 will deliver 61.9dBu.

Would 102.3 have a stronger coverage area if its HAAT was at 1300 also?

Yes. 67.730dBu, which is a non-negligible difference but not an enormous one.

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How to work these figures for yourself:

http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/bickel/curves.html
- Select English units. (unless you have metric antenna height figures from the FCC website)
- Select Kilowatts (not dBk; the latter standard used to be used for television)
- Select dBu, not mV/m.
- Select FM and NTSC Television Channels 2-6.
- Select F(50,50). This means the figures you get represent what the station should deliver at 50% of locations 50% of the time. That's the standard used for determining where a station provides service. F(50,10) is for determining where a station causes interference; it returns where the station will generate an interfering signal at 50% of locations 10% of the time. F(50,90) is for digital television, where a less-than-good signal doesn't result in a snowy picture, it results in no picture at all.
- Select Field Strength.
- Click "Submit Choices".
(A second page comes up with three boxes)
- Input the Effective Radiated Power in kilowatts. (not watts. For 102.3, input 26, not 26,000.)
- Input the antenna Height Above Average Terrain in feet. (unless you selected metric)
- Input the distance at which you want to find the signal strength. This is somewhat arbitrary for comparing two stations. IMHO 30 miles is a reasonable figure for comparing stations of Class C2 or higher. (both of the stations cited in this thread are C2)

DISCLAIMERS...
- Again, you're getting a F(50,50) figure. When I say 105.9 is predicted to deliver 60.1dBu at 30 miles, that means at half of locations 30 miles from the tower, half the time, the 105.9 signal will be 60.1dBu or more. Half the time, it will be *weaker* than 60.1dBu, and at any given time it will be weaker than 60.1dbu at half of locations at 30 miles.
- The number assumes a receiving antenna at 30 feet. Obviously, nobody uses an antenna 30 feet high on their FM radio! (so don't get out a field strength meter & expect to read 60.1dBu 30 miles from the 105.9 transmitter -- unless you have a 30-foot pole for the antenna...)
- Terrain will have MAJOR effects on the received signal. It will have differential effects on the signals of these two stations, both because their antennas are at different heights and because they're at different locations. Do not assume that 102.3 will be 1.8dB stronger than 105.9 everywhere; there will be many locations where the difference is more dramatic -- and many at which 105.9 is stronger than 102.3.
 
560QAMFAN said:
I HOPE AUSTIN ISNT 50% HISPANIC CAUSE IN A FEW MONTHS YOULL END UP SUPER X102.3 SPANISH HITS OF THE 80s 90s AND TODAY

No need to worry about Austin's Hispanic population because it well below 50%. But even if was, why would you care? If you can't understand the language or don't like the music then turn to another station....Simple solution to your problem. ;D
 
The bottom line on this is which signal is best in Austin proper. 105.9 is a strong signal all the way North to Dallas, but not as good in Austin as 102.3 which is close to being a heritage station or at least one that has always had a good Austin coverage. Clear Channel is looking at the good numbers they have received in a relatively short time and realizing that 1) they want the better performing format on the signal that is better in Austin proper and 2) when they do actually part ways with 105.9, which apparantly will happen pretty soon since it was just sold to a Seattle based company, they would rather lose the River format instead of the Beat format.

The question is will they have any better luck selling that format than the other companies have had.
 
Question....

I don't travel into Williamson county that much, but doesn't 102.3 have a weaker signal in Georgetown and points north?

I ask this because I compared KBPA and KPEZ signal maps from radio-locator, and KBPA has a far stronger signal covering at least half of Williamson county rather than KPEZ, in which its "local" coverage line barely crosses Georgetown.

102.3s "local" coverage goes as far south as northern Guadalupe county, but northern "local" coverage doesn't even go halfway through Williamson county.

So I am curious as to 102.3s coverage......
 
w9wi said:
Do not assume that 102.3 will be 1.8dB stronger than 105.9 everywhere; there will be many locations where the difference is more dramatic -- and many at which 105.9 is stronger than 102.3.

Great explanation, but I'd add one thing. I really don't agree with the rosy picture that CC painted in a press release, which implied that 102.3 is a far superior signal.

For close-in coverage, with good building penetration in Austin proper I'd go with 102.3 by a slight margin but for overall coverage 105.9 may indeed have the edge. I haven't done a full comparative model on the two of them yet but based on a preliminary look the greater HAAT for 105.9 could and probably does give them "pockets" of noticeably better signal strength in outlying areas (especially into Williamson County). It's the old argument of extended line of sight versus the punch of a higher powered station; both can have their advantages.
 
If CC plans on keeping The Beat on 102.3, which it seems they do indeed plan on doing, they don't need a good signal in Williamson County. Round Rock, Georgetown, Hutto and Taylor aren't exactly hip-hop hot spots.
 
intx said:
If CC plans on keeping The Beat on 102.3, which it seems they do indeed plan on doing, they don't need a good signal in Williamson County. Round Rock, Georgetown, Hutto and Taylor aren't exactly hip-hop hot spots.

No way is that a Hip Hop station.

Annnnnnnd once again..... SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEACREEEEEEEEEEEEEST.
 
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