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smokescreen15

How much of it do you do? Do you even have the time to invest to make an awesome beatmixed promo/id?
Im gonna use Protools to beatmix but I have heard good things about CEP/AA when it comes to beatmixing. Which is better for beatmixxing?<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by smokescreen15 on 12/19/05 08:58 PM.</FONT></P>
 
> How much of it do you do? Do you even have the time to
> invest to make an awesome beatmixed promo/id?
> Im gonna use Protools to beatmix but I have heard good
> things about CEP/AA when it comes to beatmixing. Which is
> better for beatmixxing?
>
My experience with CEP/AA is that beatmixing is a pain in the ass. Too much counting involved ;P
 
> > How much of it do you do? Do you even have the time to
> > invest to make an awesome beatmixed promo/id?
> > Im gonna use Protools to beatmix but I have heard good
> > things about CEP/AA when it comes to beatmixing. Which is
> > better for beatmixxing?
> >
> My experience with CEP/AA is that beatmixing is a pain in
> the ass. Too much counting involved ;P
>

Isn't that true in any program? :p back at ya.
 
> > > How much of it do you do? Do you even have the time to
> > > invest to make an awesome beatmixed promo/id?
> > > Im gonna use Protools to beatmix but I have heard good
> > > things about CEP/AA when it comes to beatmixing. Which
> is
> > > better for beatmixxing?
> > >
> > My experience with CEP/AA is that beatmixing is a pain in
> > the ass. Too much counting involved ;P
> >
>
> Isn't that true in any program? :p back at ya.

I don't know, I might just have a mind for such things, but I find it pretty simple. You just find the BPMs for whatever you're mixing and match them. Personally, I don't think beatmixing is all that great a thing, but it does come in handy from time to time, so I do it occasionally. Audition/CEP has never given me any troubles over it, and while it does take me a while to get it done, I've never had problems getting something done on time.

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> How much of it do you do? Do you even have the time to
> invest to make an awesome beatmixed promo/id?
> Im gonna use Protools to beatmix but I have heard good
> things about CEP/AA when it comes to beatmixing. Which is
> better for beatmixxing?
>


The mathematical formula is exactly the same for beatmixing with Audition or ProTools. Counting beats isn't nearly accurate enough for me, so I use a formula to calculate the beats down to the ms...Or even down to the sample. Audition gives the advantage of doing the calculations for you...With ProTools, you'll need a calculator, but that will only slow you down by about 10 seconds. But ProTools has the advantage of a better time-stretch algorithm, so you can expand or compress time further in ProTools than you can in Audition. But you should be choosing hooks that have a similar tempo in the first place, so it shouldn't really be an issue.

I choose Audition, but for really critical beat work, neither one has a clear advantage.
 
> > How much of it do you do? Do you even have the time to
> > invest to make an awesome beatmixed promo/id?
> > Im gonna use Protools to beatmix but I have heard good
> > things about CEP/AA when it comes to beatmixing. Which is
> > better for beatmixxing?
> >
>
>
> The mathematical formula is exactly the same for beatmixing
> with Audition or ProTools. Counting beats isn't nearly
> accurate enough for me, so I use a formula to calculate the
> beats down to the ms...Or even down to the sample. Audition
> gives the advantage of doing the calculations for you...With
> ProTools, you'll need a calculator, but that will only slow
> you down by about 10 seconds. But ProTools has the
> advantage of a better time-stretch algorithm, so you can
> expand or compress time further in ProTools than you can in
> Audition. But you should be choosing hooks that have a
> similar tempo in the first place, so it shouldn't really be
> an issue.
>
> I choose Audition, but for really critical beat work,
> neither one has a clear advantage.

Care to share your magical formula? :)
>
 
> Care to share your magical formula? :)
> >
>
I don't know about magical...But it made things a lot faster for me! ;p

Somewhere in this forum, it's described in better detail. Simply put it's

b / a (100) = rb

Where;
a= decimal time of 32 (or 64) beat sample of control wave
b= decimal time of 32 (or 64) beat sample of process wave
rb= ratio decimal to be applied to process wave to match control wave tempo.

By doing it this way, you account for BPMs that are not set as whole numbers, which is the rule, more than the exception. I find that a 32-beat sample is usually sufficiant, but for more accurate mixing I may go for 64 or even more. Audition and ProTools (I think) will both accept the ratio decimal as an input, and many other programs as well. For programs that accept a percentage input, like Sound Forge, the formula is even easier: a / b = rb. Same math, just done differently.

Emmett
 
ive tried beat mixing in AA, and its a pain. either, i cant get it right, or im just not that good. its alot easier to lay the ground work in acid, save it, the fine tune it in AA.
 
> ive tried beat mixing in AA, and its a pain. either, i cant
> get it right, or im just not that good. its alot easier to
> lay the ground work in acid, save it, the fine tune it in
> AA.
>

For those that know Acid, basic beatmixing is a snap. I would never attempt to do the full promo in Acid, but (if you can spare the cash) tempo matching in Acid is really easy.
 
Thanks for all the tips guys. I just got Pro Tools Mpowered for my windowsOS
n im messin around wit da the beat detective n wat not. Do you know where i could get any tutorials for beatmixing in Pro Tools? links, books, dvds anything will help. once again thxs

> > ive tried beat mixing in AA, and its a pain. either, i
> cant
> > get it right, or im just not that good. its alot easier to
>
> > lay the ground work in acid, save it, the fine tune it in
> > AA.
> >
>
> For those that know Acid, basic beatmixing is a snap. I
> would never attempt to do the full promo in Acid, but (if
> you can spare the cash) tempo matching in Acid is really
> easy.
>
 
> How much of it do you do? Do you even have the time to
> invest to make an awesome beatmixed promo/id?
> Im gonna use Protools to beatmix but I have heard good
> things about CEP/AA when it comes to beatmixing. Which is
> better for beatmixxing?
>

I'm not very good at math - I don't have the slightest clue about how to figure out BPMs and tempos and whatnot in the actual editing program... but I love beet matching in Audition. I just gather my hooks together, find a bed that has a similiar tempo (usually use AV Deli's Beat Farm for that) and then just time stretch and squeeze the hooks to fit. The only math I do is counting from 1 to 4 and then repeating.

I can knock out a slick beet matched promo in about an hour or so with Audition... With Nuendo (a crappy knock-off of Pro Tools that always crashes) it takes me 4 times as long. ProTools might be good though - I dunno?

:) Phat Matt
Imaging Director
99.5 The Wolf
Dallas, Texas
 
> Thanks for all the tips guys. I just got Pro Tools Mpowered
> for my windowsOS
> n im messin around wit da the beat detective n wat not. Do
> you know where i could get any tutorials for beatmixing in
> Pro Tools? links, books, dvds anything will help. once again
> thxs
>
> > > ive tried beat mixing in AA, and its a pain. either, i
> > cant
> > > get it right, or im just not that good. its alot easier
> to
> >
> > > lay the ground work in acid, save it, the fine tune it
> in
> > > AA.
> > >
> >
> > For those that know Acid, basic beatmixing is a snap. I
> > would never attempt to do the full promo in Acid, but (if
> > you can spare the cash) tempo matching in Acid is really
> > easy.
> >
>

I do it like this. I take the 4 beats of the beat bed abd highlight them to see how many seconds it is and take 4 beats of each hook and time them to see how long they are and then just highlight the whole hook and time squeeze it to fit the same time as it takes for the 4 beats of the beat bed, if that makes sense. Does not always work, but about 70 percent of the time it locks right up.
 
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