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Bengals Leaving The Big One?

If the Big One stills wants the Bengals then Mike Brown should maKe that deal right away. The Bengals have gone the FM way before and they returned to WLW. The baseball Cardinals learned leaving KMOX was a bad move and that's why they are back on with them this season.

The Bengals don't care about their fans examples being losing teams year after year and no Bengal number retired. Mike do the right thing for once.

If the Bengals are going to make a change they should bring Ken Broo back to do play by play with Lap doing the color. Plus, adding George on the pre game was a nice touch this year.
 
Last time the Bengals left the Big One, they had their butts handed to them with the WLW coverage of their blunders. Mike had to hate the total lack of control he had.
 
Unfortunately, these kind of decisions can be based on money and not really understanding how much long-distance coverage means. With WLW & WCKY both carrying the games, the Bengals have two of the most powerful radio stations in the midwest going for them simultaneously along with a local FM outlet that provides a clear signal to those who might otherwise have to deal with florescent light and other noise interference. Not many sports teams (NFL and all) have that.
 
Well, up were i am at the CBS Sports Talker, 97-1, the Ticket, took over the Lions. Its been great.

You don't need a blow torch if you can assemble a network of good stations, to air the games.

The real question is, what other Ohio market stations care about the Bengals?

Then, go pickup some good signals in those markets.
 
I could never understand why CC aired the games on 700 102.7 & 1530. The Bengals do not need to be on all those signals. One FM signal is good enough. I thought when 105.1 and 1160 had the games it was fine. Cumulus & Bonneville have strong FM signals if Mike Brown decides to go with either company.
 
Ohio is in that unique position of having two NFL teams and more Arena teams than any other state of its size. Heck, look at Michigan, 1 NFL team and maybe 2 arena teams.....
Which Ohio NFL team has the greatest following?

Is Toledo a Brown's town or a Lions town? Where does Columbus fall?

Michigan's Upper Peninsula has as many Packers fans as Lions fans.
 
Given the Bengal's dismal performance, a signal necessary to cover the majority of fans barely needs to reach Norwood, let alone Columbus or Toledo. My guess is that more of Dayton cares about the Browns than the Bungles.

With Mike Brown, it's always about the money, but he dosn't want a repeat of the constant trashing his management took on the Big One. They pulled no punches with the "Best Bengals Coverage" insinuating that they didn't have to toe the company line because they didn't have the games. The biggest difference between now and then is that the team didn't stink bad enough not to sell out, so WLW could run all of the pre and post game programming and send you to the TV for the play-by-play. Any bets on how many games will sell out, especially if the players stupidly go for some kind of job action or even strike?
 
jry said:
Which Ohio NFL team has the greatest following?

Is Toledo a Brown's town or a Lions town? Where does Columbus fall?

Michigan's Upper Peninsula has as many Packers fans as Lions fans.
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I think it really depends which team is doing well in a given season. Since the 1970's when the Steelers finally started winning, they develped a very good fan base in Ohio and elsewhere.
 
Cincinnati Kid said:
jry said:
Which Ohio NFL team has the greatest following?

Is Toledo a Brown's town or a Lions town? Where does Columbus fall?

Michigan's Upper Peninsula has as many Packers fans as Lions fans.
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I think it really depends which team is doing well in a given season. Since the 1970's when the Steelers finally started winning, they develped a very good fan base in Ohio and elsewhere.
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Even with how much the Bengals have struggled, they clearly are the No. 1 team anywhere south and west of Columbus and south of Lima. The Browns still are the No. 1 team in Columbus (I'd say it's 50/35/15 Browns/Bengals/Steelers in my experience) and all points north. I wouldn't the Steelers have a very good fan base anywhere outside the areas of Ohio close to Pittsburgh, but they are extremely vocal. As the fans from the days where the Browns were all this state had age, the number of Bengals fans has grown.
Back to the OT, though ... it'd be an idiot move to leave two 50K stations. I don't see where Brown gets a better deal down there. Love the idea of bringing Ken Broo back. Johansen is beyond boring.
 
My brother lives in Columbus. Columbus is one of those NFL towns, where you are either a Bengals fan, a Browns fan, or a Steelers fan.

Geographically, I think that the TV networks will air a Steelers home game to Columbus or a Browns home game to Columbus rather then a Cincinnati game.

Someone had made a comment about wondering why CC would air Bengals games on 700, 102.7 and another station...I think it probably is due to the fact that CC has the capability to air games on those stations, and if you think about it- the demographics of people that go to the games are going to be tailgating at the stadium before the game, so why not air the games on WEBN... at most the older die-hards of all of those old rock bands that are played to death on EBN (Zeppelin, Stones, etc.) will be played right up until game time kickoff. CC got two birds with one stone- old music to get drunk to while you tailgate, and then the losing team of Cincinnati playing another bad football game.
 
2ndsout said:
My brother lives in Columbus. Columbus is one of those NFL towns, where you are either a Bengals fan, a Browns fan, or a Steelers fan.

Geographically, I think that the TV networks will air a Steelers home game to Columbus or a Browns home game to Columbus rather then a Cincinnati game.

Someone had made a comment about wondering why CC would air Bengals games on 700, 102.7 and another station...I think it probably is due to the fact that CC has the capability to air games on those stations, and if you think about it- the demographics of people that go to the games are going to be tailgating at the stadium before the game, so why not air the games on WEBN... at most the older die-hards of all of those old rock bands that are played to death on EBN (Zeppelin, Stones, etc.) will be played right up until game time kickoff. CC got two birds with one stone- old music to get drunk to while you tailgate, and then the losing team of Cincinnati playing another bad football game.
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Agreed on your point about three stations. Never quite thought of it that way.
As far as what games air here in Columbus ... absolutely not. The Steelers NEVER air here ahead of an Ohio team. If all things are equal, the Browns come first here. If the Bengals are having a better year, they are aired here. Even if Pittsburgh is heads and shoulders better than both, which usually is the case, the Steelers do not take priority in this market. The CBS affiliate even says so on its website.
 
Better be prepared to pony up the NFL rights fees that go with your proposals! Last package was $3,000,000. It also requires a significant downpayment, the ability to feed a network separate from flagship feed, and the ability to provide all of the production elements for pregame elements, ingame, for replays in postgames, live weekly broadcasts at a local establishment, (anything else the Bengals think of) and AM/FM coverage.

Nowdays most teams don't require AM station coverage, but we know the Brown family isn't like most NFL owners. Maybe this time they come into the 21st century for FM.

If you're pitching the Bengals to be the flagship, you'll not hear about the required investments, and NFL payments...something the Bengals front office doesn't discuss with you until they take your station and proposal serious.

Trust this...from previous Bengals network and flagship experience. It's not an undertaking for wishful thinkers, egomaniacs that think the broadcasts will bring an audience, or amateurs. It is a major ordeal, and the Bengals organization is very demanding and doesn't make it easy. Royal pain in the keester, and no return on investment!

Good luck bidders! Don't bite off more than your willing or can afford to chew on.
 
Not about the Bengals, but here is what happened in Anaheim with the Angels. They were on 710 KSPN (was KMPC back when) and the Spanish broadcast was on 830 AM. Finally, Arte Moreno, the owner of the team decided to pull off a coup. He bought the 830 AM station and set up a shell company separate of the team to run it. He renamed it KLAA (Los Angeles Angels) and moved all Angels games there. He also picked up USC football and the Anaheim Ducks games as well as setting up local sports shows and grabbing stuff that KSPN was not able to carry for ESPN due to conflicts. This way, all the Angels games are on his radio station and the money that would change hands would be a mere formality. The team controls the station, the announcers, the team, and it is all basically in house so to speak. Unfortunately, I don't believe Mike Brown has that capability nor would he spend the money for it. Besides, WLW will never be sold by CC if they can help it. It is their crown jewel. The most famous station in AM radio history outside KDKA and on par with WSM/KWKH/WWVA.
 
Aside from a slight infestation of Steelers' fans when the Browns were not here (1995-1999), only the Youngstown market is pretty much split 50/50 Browns/Steelers. (When local icon Eddie DeBartolo owned the 49ers, they grabbed about a 10 percent share of the market.)

This week is a prime example for Youngstown. The CBS affiliate there is bracing for calls because it has to air the Steelers instead of the Browns.

NFL rules, when a secondary market like Youngstown (claimed by two teams) has a conflict, say the TV game there has to be the away team. Since the Browns are at home and the Steelers are away, the Steelers get the TV coverage in Y-Town.

To the Bengals - they actually have a small radio affiliate up here: WTIG/990 "ESPN 990" in Massillon, near Canton. It also carries the Reds and the Columbus Blue Jackets.
 
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