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Bernie Ward

Lkeller said:
In terms of free speech, I AM a libertarian, and I would agree with you about anything else except child porn.
As far as I'm concerned, sexual activity that involves consenting adults should be allowed, and people should be free to film it, view it, and exchange it. But child-porn films and pictures exist because kids were exploited to produce it.
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According to Karel, the photo was something taken at a nudist camp. There is no sexual activity involved. There has never been any claim that the photo showed any sexual activity.

I agree with Karel that this is one of the very very few areas of law where intent is not taken into consideration. We have intent even with killing. You can kill someone and be convicted of murder, manslaughter, or nothing, depending on your intent. Did you kill the person on purpose? Did you kill them out of negligence? Or did you accidentally kill them because you couldn't see them out of your rear view mirror? Nude photos of kids allow for nothing in the area of intent. I think this is wrong thinking.
 
"According to Karel, the photo was something taken at a nudist camp. There is no sexual activity involved. There has never been any claim that the photo showed any sexual activity."

David - I missed that piece. If that's really all there is, I'm back to saying that Bernie should not be prosecuted. A candid photo of a nake child at a nudist camp is hardly exploitation.

America as a society is afraid of nudity, and tends to sexualize it. For example, the huge and silly furor over the Janet Jackson "wardrobe malfunction." That infamous picture always had the "naughty parts" censored (pixilated) in American newspapers and magazines. I first saw the uncensored photo in The Economist, of all places - a stuffy and generally conservative British news magazine. Ironically, I've heard the uncensored version was all over the internet.
 
Lkeller said:
David - I missed that piece. If that's really all there is, I'm back to saying that Bernie should not be prosecuted. A candid photo of a nake child at a nudist camp is hardly exploitation.
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I take back what I said. Either I didn't read the police report correctly or I forgot what it said. Accordiong to the Oakdale police report there were photos depicting or simulating sex among underage kids. Best that you go look at the report yourself. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0215081ward17.html

But I don't recall the indictment itself referring to photos of sexual activity, just photos. I can't find the indictment at the moment.
 
"I take back what I said. Either I didn't read the police report correctly or I forgot what it said. Accordiong to the Oakdale police report there were photos depicting or simulating sex among underage kids."

Then I take back my take back.
 
There's got to be more going on than just a picture of a child at a nudist camp with no sexual activitiy. None of us know many of the facts of this case, but something must have occurred, new evidence discovered (or a new strategy developed) to cause him to change his plea. It's probably pretty bad if it's new evidence. We'll probably all know the full story someday as to why he is doing this.

As for Pete Townsend, the facts of the case are likely completely different. Also, was his case tried in Great Britain?
 
barman said:
There's got to be more going on than just a picture of a child at a nudist camp with no sexual activitiy. None of us know many of the facts of this case, but something must have occurred, new evidence discovered (or a new strategy developed) to cause him to change his plea. It's probably pretty bad if it's new evidence. We'll probably all know the full story someday as to why he is doing this.
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A cynic might point out that Bernie Ward is an outspoken liberal who denounced the Bush administration and was then prosecuted by a Republican U.S. Attorney. Would Ward have been prosecuted by a U.S. Attorney appointed by a Democrat? A cynic would say, nope.
 
Bernie: regardless of intent, child porn is worse than dog fighting.
Bernie: in prison, the baby-rapers are the worst of the worst.
Bernie: your book's profits belong to the state.
c ya.
 
mls said:
A cynic might point out that Bernie Ward is an outspoken liberal who denounced the Bush administration and was then prosecuted by a Republican U.S. Attorney. Would Ward have been prosecuted by a U.S. Attorney appointed by a Democrat? A cynic would say, nope.
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In other cases the authorities have instantly handcuffed such a person and carted him off to prison, asking questions and straightening out the charges later. I think any conspiracy theory in this case is bogus. Had there been an attempt to silence him, they'd have done it three years ago when they originally served him, seized his computer, and got the first evidence.
 
Bernie: regardless of intent, child porn is worse than dog fighting.
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Yea, pretty much. Even PETA would even agree with that (or would they?).

Bernie: in prison, the baby-rapers are the worst of the worst.
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And they get treated accordingly.

Bernie: your book's profits belong to the state.
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That's actually not so clear. Someone like Scott Peterson could not profit from writing a book about what he did, but what the book Bernie was working on may not be under the same laws as I understand it. Since the book is not directly about the crime he committed, he may be able to profit from it after all.


I'm watching ABC 7 news (ch. 20), and Dan Noyes' piece on Ward is airing right now. I wonder how many people will evetually come out of the woodwork that have had 'issues' with Benie in the past.

I think Gene Burns summed up Bernie Ward very well yesterday, with the comment that "Bernie Ward seemed like a guy that was at war with himself".
 
Mike Woods said:
I'm watching ABC 7 news (ch. 20), and Dan Noyes' piece on Ward is airing right now. I wonder how many people will evetually come out of the woodwork that have had 'issues' with Benie in the past.
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Given that Bernie Ward has been on the air on KGO for well nigh 20 years, and given that he spent a lot of time busting the Catholic Church for child molestation, you'd think that people with "issues" would have come out long ago.
 
Btw, am I the only one that finds it ironic that he hosted a show called "God Talk?"
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Yes you are! NO ONE has EVER made THAT connection. Good for you!
 
Sentancing delayed till August so he can attend a graduation,, Huh,, If he gets 5 years will the dept of Corrections set him up with a mock Microphone? Why any peferential treatment for Bernie,,If this was Mike Savage in trouble, im sure things would be different! Funny how the system works for "certain people"
 
A Positive is Bernie can loose weight in prison. Providing the other prisioners don't get to his big fat a__. I loved listening to his show but after reading everything, Bernie is GUILTY!
 
JimA said:
A Positive is Bernie can loose weight in prison. Providing the other prisioners don't get to his big fat a__. I loved listening to his show but after reading everything, Bernie is GUILTY!
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Wow, JimA! That's very astute of you to write that Bernis is GUILTY! How long did it take for you to figure that out? Bernie's guilty of researching child pornography, the reason he changed his plea, because there is absolutely no tolerance for distributing that info over the internet. Now, Bernie just has to figure out how the guy from NBC gets away with it.
 
The I-Team's report is both compelling and shocking. Drinking and groping girls under 18, and when he was a priest none the less. If all this is true, which it sounds like it is from the testimony of the priests in charge of him at the time, then he belongs where he is, and may end up.
 
Sad, if true, S5Clinger...sad, if true...

All that Ward did, including the Thanksgiving Charities drives over
the years, will likely be forgotten as a result of his foibles...
Gene Burns eloquently spoke last evening (Thu 5/8) about
Ward's energy behind those charities, and how was still able to do a
compelling radio show, also...Burns wishes he had THAT type of energy...

Incidentally, yes, Barman, Pete Townshend was tried in Britain, as
was Gary Glitter, who got out after 2 years (and then got into even
worse trouble elsewhere), but upon further research, it appears
that what Pete did was "access" and not "download" the images.
Whether Pete still has to register in the U.K. as a "sex offender"
remains in question, according to one website at least...

As Gene concluded at 7:59 last night, "I hope we don't have to talk
about this subject again until his sentencing in August."
I, for one, have my doubts...
--jay
 
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