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Best DFW station in history

> OK... What was the all-time best DFW radio station, and when
> was its peak?
>

There's only ONE answer to that: KVIL...the day Ron collected the $20's
One of many peaks.

You might want to refine your parameters for "best"

Best in ratings?
Best in quality of talent?
Best in memorable promotions?
Best place to have worked?
Best in revenue?
Best in lasting influence on other broadcasters?
Best in all eras, or in the AM era, FM era, duopoly era, post Telecom era....

So many ways to slice the dial
 
How about the legendary KLIF, one of the first Top-40 stations??

It was owned by Gordon McLendon, who unlike many of today's owners, knew that you had to invest in your product to make money in radio.
 
> > OK... What was the all-time best DFW radio station, and
> when
> > was its peak?
> >
>
> There's only ONE answer to that: KVIL...the day Ron
> collected the $20's
> One of many peaks.
>
> You might want to refine your parameters for "best"
>
> Best in ratings?
> Best in quality of talent?
> Best in memorable promotions?
> Best place to have worked?
> Best in revenue?
> Best in lasting influence on other broadcasters?
> Best in all eras, or in the AM era, FM era, duopoly era,
> post Telecom era....
>
> So many ways to slice the dial
>
How bout KZEW??????
 
> How about the legendary KLIF, one of the first Top-40
> stations??
>
> It was owned by Gordon McLendon, who unlike many of today's
> owners, knew that you had to invest in your product to make
> money in radio.
>
I second that!Ron took every single idea from his days at KLIF and executed them on KVIL. KLIF was legendary not just in Dallas but in England as well. The Pirate stations had tapes sent to them of KLIF plus their Pams jingles and copied the format.KLIF served the community well and extended their news when a major story broke. K104's management were students of McLendon and worked at KLIF.
 
> >
> > So many ways to slice the dial
> >
> How bout KZEW??????
>


I don't know what the best was of all time as, I've only been alive for 45 years...

BUT, in my lifetime, my most favorite station was The ZOO. Circa 1974 - 1981 as the best period, but it was always #1 with me until that fateful October when the xmas music began...
 
> > How bout KZEW??????
>
> I don't know what the best was of all time as, I've only
> been alive for 45 years...
>
> BUT, in my lifetime, my most favorite station was The ZOO.
> Circa 1974 - 1981 as the best period, but it was always #1
> with me until that fateful October when the xmas music
> began...


I also think The ZOO was incredible from 73-78, but I might be just a tiny bit prejudiced since I was their programmer (Zoologist) during that period.

Ira "Eye" Lipson
 
> > How about the legendary KLIF, one of the first Top-40
> > stations??
> >
> > It was owned by Gordon McLendon, who unlike many of
> today's
> > owners, knew that you had to invest in your product to
> make
> > money in radio.
> >
> I second that!Ron took every single idea from his days at
> KLIF and executed them on KVIL. KLIF was legendary not just
> in Dallas but in England as well. The Pirate stations had
> tapes sent to them of KLIF plus their Pams jingles and
> copied the format.KLIF served the community well and
> extended their news when a major story broke. K104's
> management were students of McLendon and worked at KLIF.
>
.>>I third that! KLIF 1190 from '60 to '67. Loved 1480 KBOX too, until that very depressing day in '66, when they turned country. Lots of big names started on KBOX.
 
> .>>I third that! KLIF 1190 from '60 to '67. Loved 1480 KBOX
> too, until that very depressing day in '66, when they turned
> country. Lots of big names started on KBOX.

KLIF had a good signal over Abilene, then I had to move to Midland. To my surprise, I could still get them. It led to a lifetime of DX'ing.

KZEW was another great! KZEW was next to impossible in Midland because of a stupid mono country station on 97.9 in Odessa. But I got them when I went to college in Lubbock, and then from Austin. I still have my copies of Zewberry jam albums. Oh and my KLIF classic album.

IF AM stereo had happened in the great top-40 era of the 60's, the outcome would have been much different. By the time stereo became the killer application on radio, the audience had moved to FM and the piddle, drivel, and swill of talk to AM. Only - FM from Dallas was 10 times harder to DX from Midland and Lubbock than AM was.
 
This really is NOT meant as a kiss-up to the great Ira Lipson...but in my humble opinion, and from having worked with that crew on many occasions, the answer has to be KZEW!

> OK... What was the all-time best DFW radio station, and when
> was its peak?
>
 
> > .>>I third that! KLIF 1190 from '60 to '67. Loved 1480
> KBOX
> > too, until that very depressing day in '66, when they
> turned
> > country. Lots of big names started on KBOX.
>
> KLIF had a good signal over Abilene, then I had to move to
> Midland. To my surprise, I could still get them. It led to
> a lifetime of DX'ing.
>
> KZEW was another great! KZEW was next to impossible in
> Midland because of a stupid mono country station on 97.9 in
> Odessa. But I got them when I went to college in Lubbock,
> and then from Austin. I still have my copies of Zewberry
> jam albums. Oh and my KLIF classic album.
>
> IF AM stereo had happened in the great top-40 era of the
> 60's, the outcome would have been much different. By the
> time stereo became the killer application on radio, the
> audience had moved to FM and the piddle, drivel, and swill
> of talk to AM. Only - FM from Dallas was 10 times harder to
> DX from Midland and Lubbock than AM was.
>

I have to chime in with my two bits worth... and Ira.. I have to agree that KZEW was a great station... but with all due respect to Ron Chapman at KVIL when they were the David's that dealt Goliath a blow (KNUS)... I have to say that KLIF 1190 was probably the best station in the DFW area!

Gordon had the best talent, the best news department, and the best promotions bar none! They were the station you tuned into when there was new music coming out-- they were the one you turned too for new events-- they were the ones you tuned too when there was a concert coming to town... they had their finger on the pulse of the community...

RON when he fired up KVIL-- took his staff to SIX FLAGS over TEXAS one day-- took everyone on top of the Oil Derrick (this story is according to Ben Laurie) when he told everyone to look to their left (Fort Worth) and then to their right (Dallas) and said.. THIS SPOT is where YOUR radio Station is located!... and that one statement carried over to the great success of KVIL.. and how they related to the Metroplex and had the run they enjoyed for the decade of the 80's...

Just a thought!
<P ID="signature">______________
Dave Michaels
Davradio Productions
Dallas, Texas</P>
 
KLIF. Everything and almost everyone here (and in many cases elsewhere) stemmed from Gordon McLendon and the Mighty 1190. Comparisons aren't even fair.

What is amazing is how many other stations in this market could also be considered in their own right. KVIL, KNUS, KZEW, KBOX, KXOL, KFJZ, WBAP, KRLD, K104 and many more stand very tall on their own merits. Not sure many other markets can boast the number DFW can, and that's staggering. Each in its time had its own Murderer's Row, Gashouse Gang, etc...

Jody

> > > .>>I third that! KLIF 1190 from '60 to '67. Loved 1480
> > KBOX
> > > too, until that very depressing day in '66, when they
> > turned
> > > country. Lots of big names started on KBOX.
> >
> > KLIF had a good signal over Abilene, then I had to move to
>
> > Midland. To my surprise, I could still get them. It led
> to
> > a lifetime of DX'ing.
> >
> > KZEW was another great! KZEW was next to impossible in
> > Midland because of a stupid mono country station on 97.9
> in
> > Odessa. But I got them when I went to college in Lubbock,
>
> > and then from Austin. I still have my copies of Zewberry
> > jam albums. Oh and my KLIF classic album.
> >
> > IF AM stereo had happened in the great top-40 era of the
> > 60's, the outcome would have been much different. By the
> > time stereo became the killer application on radio, the
> > audience had moved to FM and the piddle, drivel, and swill
>
> > of talk to AM. Only - FM from Dallas was 10 times harder
> to
> > DX from Midland and Lubbock than AM was.
> >
>
> I have to chime in with my two bits worth... and Ira.. I
> have to agree that KZEW was a great station... but with all
> due respect to Ron Chapman at KVIL when they were the
> David's that dealt Goliath a blow (KNUS)... I have to say
> that KLIF 1190 was probably the best station in the DFW
> area!
>
> Gordon had the best talent, the best news department, and
> the best promotions bar none! They were the station you
> tuned into when there was new music coming out-- they were
> the one you turned too for new events-- they were the ones
> you tuned too when there was a concert coming to town...
> they had their finger on the pulse of the community...
>
> RON when he fired up KVIL-- took his staff to SIX FLAGS over
> TEXAS one day-- took everyone on top of the Oil Derrick
> (this story is according to Ben Laurie) when he told
> everyone to look to their left (Fort Worth) and then to
> their right (Dallas) and said.. THIS SPOT is where YOUR
> radio Station is located!... and that one statement carried
> over to the great success of KVIL.. and how they related to
> the Metroplex and had the run they enjoyed for the decade of
> the 80's...
>
> Just a thought!
>
 
> What is amazing is how many other stations in this market
> could also be considered in their own right. KVIL, KNUS,
> KZEW, KBOX, KXOL, KFJZ, WBAP, KRLD, K104 and many more stand
> very tall on their own merits.

Worth mentioning as a side note to KLIF's legacy: Ignoring the fact that today's KLIF has next to nothing in common with McLendon's station beyond sharing the call letters, KLIF's talk radio incarnation deserves mentions for significant innovations that have affected the entire industry.

First station to broadcast over the Internet. And the launching of Norm's morning sports talk show paved the way for the all sports format.
 
> > > .>>I third that! KLIF 1190 from '60 to '67. Loved 1480
> > KBOX
> > > too, until that very depressing day in '66, when they
> > turned
> > > country. Lots of big names started on KBOX.
> >
> > KLIF had a good signal over Abilene, then I had to move to
>
> > Midland. To my surprise, I could still get them. It led
> to
> > a lifetime of DX'ing.
> >
> > KZEW was another great! KZEW was next to impossible in
> > Midland because of a stupid mono country station on 97.9
> in
> > Odessa. But I got them when I went to college in Lubbock,
>
> > and then from Austin. I still have my copies of Zewberry
> > jam albums. Oh and my KLIF classic album.
> >
> > IF AM stereo had happened in the great top-40 era of the
> > 60's, the outcome would have been much different. By the
> > time stereo became the killer application on radio, the
> > audience had moved to FM and the piddle, drivel, and swill
>
> > of talk to AM. Only - FM from Dallas was 10 times harder
> to
> > DX from Midland and Lubbock than AM was.
> >
>
> I have to chime in with my two bits worth... and Ira.. I
> have to agree that KZEW was a great station... but with all
> due respect to Ron Chapman at KVIL when they were the
> David's that dealt Goliath a blow (KNUS)... I have to say
> that KLIF 1190 was probably the best station in the DFW
> area!
>
> Gordon had the best talent, the best news department, and
> the best promotions bar none! They were the station you
> tuned into when there was new music coming out-- they were
> the one you turned too for new events-- they were the ones
> you tuned too when there was a concert coming to town...
> they had their finger on the pulse of the community...
>
> RON when he fired up KVIL-- took his staff to SIX FLAGS over
> TEXAS one day-- took everyone on top of the Oil Derrick
> (this story is according to Ben Laurie) when he told
> everyone to look to their left (Fort Worth) and then to
> their right (Dallas) and said.. THIS SPOT is where YOUR
> radio Station is located!... and that one statement carried
> over to the great success of KVIL.. and how they related to
> the Metroplex and had the run they enjoyed for the decade of
> the 80's...
>
> Just a thought!
>
Once in the mid 80s or so when KVIL not only recorded another #1 book but literally blew the lid off the ratings, the station flew most of the staff to New York City for a weekend of fun and games--just an extension of the heavily promoted on air "Fun and Games Department at (singers) K-VEEEE-I-LLLLLLLLLLLL.
Geeez, those indeed were the days.
 
I'll probably get flamed for this:

KRBV(Hot 100/Wild 100) 1999-2004
KKDL(106.7) 2002-2004

May both of them rest in peace.
 
> KLIF. Everything and almost everyone here (and in many cases
> elsewhere) stemmed from Gordon McLendon and the Mighty 1190.
> Comparisons aren't even fair.
>
> What is amazing is how many other stations in this market
> could also be considered in their own right. KVIL, KNUS,
> KZEW, KBOX, KXOL, KFJZ, WBAP, KRLD, K104 and many more stand
> very tall on their own merits. Not sure many other markets
> can boast the number DFW can, and that's staggering. Each in
> its time had its own Murderer's Row, Gashouse Gang, etc...
>
> Jody

Comparisons across generations are difficult at best (who is the best baseball player ever: Ty Cobb, Pete Rose, Barry Bonds?).

From the outside looking in it appears that KLIF was the most innovative, KVIL the most dominant, WBAP the most durable.
 
Re: Crank up the torch!

> I'll probably get flamed for this:
>
> KRBV(Hot 100/Wild 100) 1999-2004
> KKDL(106.7) 2002-2004
>
> May both of them rest in peace.
>

Ouch. McLendon HAS to be rolling in his grave over that post.

Should I dare ask, WHY??? Music? Community presence? Stunts/promos? Airstaff? A mix of all these? Or just a good time in your life where the radio just happened to be on those stations?
 
My Vote EASILY goes to:

--------------------- KNUS Stereo 99 (98.7 FM)------------------------


..... KLIF's "HEAVY SISTER".

I would say the experience peaked for me in '70 - '71.

In second Place would be KFWD-FM '75 - '76, before they became KTXQ (Q102)....

As the playlists tighened for KZEW and Q102, my enjoyment waned proportionately.


> OK... What was the all-time best DFW radio station, and when
> was its peak?
>
<P ID="signature">______________
1968-1978 -- THE "GOLDEN AGE" OF ALBUM ROCK MUSIC . . .
In spite of Disco and Top 40 in that period,
it yielded the "Motherload" of Great Album Rock Releases
--Enough for a Lifetime-- :) :) :)</P>
 
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