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DJ_Perry said:
gregg75 said:
I said I would never post on this board again.....and I know you guys are going to tear this thread APART, but here goes anyway. This is mostly here for YOUR discussion, as I will not be responding further or checking your comments.
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Kind of a cool song. Let's see if substance can win the day!
 
DJ_Perry said:
You must not know what Hip Hop is. Nobody here promotes Lupe Fiasco, Common, or Ice Cube.
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He's likely referring to many of the KDM posts lately, which seem to revolve around Hip Hop artists flirting with Dance, or about late-night mixshows on CHR/Rhythmic 101.5 Jamz in Phoenix.

Welcome back gregg75
 
WHAT? No bashing.

I avoided this topic all day because I just knew it would not be nice.

I just think it's good to hear another voice.......point of view every now and then.

I know how most of you love your Rihanna, Pitbull, Chris Brown, Ke$ha, Britney,
Taio, etc., etc. It is very rare that any of these artists do a thing for me. We've been
down that road for about 20 years now and what has it gotten us???? Dance radio
seems to be getting less and less with each passing year. Stations have folded. Formats
have folded (Rhythmic AC). Mix shows are gone. I think we've gotten the short end of
the stick.

I say forget, ignore radio (as they ignore Dance) and get back to what we really like and
really want...................artists like Haji & Emanuel, Joey Negro, Richard Earnshaw, Mark
Grant, Joi Cardwell, Shena, Georgie Porgie, Studio Apartment, etc. All these people are
working their ass off, with many releases each and every year, but they can't get their foot
in the door (in the U.S.) because all those other artists above have some kind of monopoly
on this "brand" of Dance music which has Sylvester rolling over in his grave.

Now, Beth Ditto is the singer from the group Gossip and many think her song sounds much
like early Madonna music. I like the black & white video and think she does a great job, just
not that crazy about the guys dancing around......who are a bit distracting from the song.
 
gregg75 said:
I know how most of you love your Rihanna, Pitbull, Chris Brown, Ke$ha, Britney, Taio, etc., etc. It is very rare that any of these artists do a thing for me.
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I don't think that is very accurate. We don't necessarily love those artists (which are NOT Hip Hop)...but we use them (at least I do as a DJ) to open doors to the real dance like Eric Prydz, Deadmau5, Hatiras, or Wolfgang Gartner (your examples were weak). When programming for a club or event, the mainstream dance / top 40 stuff is unavoidable. I would much rather play whats out today as opposed to the ratio 5 years ago when it was all Kanye, 50 Cent, Ciara, or E40. I think that is a better example of Hip Hop...not today's music. You should stop being so closed minded and take advantage of this prime opportunity to educate mainstream heads into your world.

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I just think change is in order. We've tried this Hip-Hop, Pop remix thing going on
20 years now and things have not gotten better, they've gotten worse.

It's time to change course and try something different. The current model has reached
it's limit and is holding us back (in my opinion). Dance needs to break free from these
rusty chains and become alive and live again.
 
I actually think Dance is in a very good state currently. I remember in the mid 90's, I use to complain about the Euro and Mainstream Dance on Radio...but then it disappeared. I guess I was kinda a snob like Greg. But now I miss those days and it seems like they are coming back in another form. Urban artists colaborating with Electro producers is not hurting anybody. It is exposing a new flavor to those who wouldn't listen to anything but Ghetto music previously. There will still be Pure Dance out there. I don't understand what Greg is complaining about. Go load up your ipod with your favorite "real Dance" songs, or start your own internet stream and see how many folks will listen.
 
Gregg,I'm disappointed.One of the songs you recommended made it to my podcast. You didn't listen lol.

Viva la fiesta viva la noche...viva los dj's WHAT THE F**K
 
Ok, I speed dialed thru it......I'll give you an 85.

This all seems to be a matter of degree.......
DJ_Perry sees the Dance glass as half full and is happy. 8)
I see the glass half empty with much room for improvement. :'(

I just think Dance was a bigger dot on the map back in 1992 than it is today.
Today's dot is 50% Hip-Hop remix and 25% Pop remix. It's time we took back
the driver's seat and the controls of the Dance mobile.
 
Gregg probably grew up on when Disco ruled the airwaves.

I grew up when freestyle/early house ruled in the late 80's early 90's


Most of the new dance listeners could care less!!

Enjoy your memories but let's make some more.
 
There's always room for improvement. I'm just optimistic about the trend currently happening, as I use to struggle (5 years ago) when trying to incorporate anything uptempo for a mainstream crowd. There were only a couple things that worked, and even those choices sucked. I too was in heaven back in 92 when all the exciting dance was on the radio. But perhaps that was the reason dance got shunned, as it got overexposed.
 
gregg75 said:
I just think change is in order. We've tried this Hip-Hop, Pop remix thing going on
20 years now and things have not gotten better, they've gotten worse.

It's time to change course and try something different. The current model has reached
it's limit and is holding us back (in my opinion). Dance needs to break free from these
rusty chains and become alive and live again.
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1. You may have hip-hop/rhythmic artists getting involved with dance product but they are NOT doing hip-hop in there.

2. More people are being exposed to dance than ever before. Is it like 1992? No. But then again, it isn't like 2006 either.

3. In order to see what is going on, you have to remove yourself from the core thinking (which is hard to do at times, I admit) and see it from the perspective of the casual fan. If Rihanna, Taio Cruz, etc is going to "sell" the casual audience to dance, then open those fans up to the more edgier sounds along the way, it then becomes a WIN for all.

4. When you only see the 90's as dance and don't go beyond that, and based on past tirades that you have done, you lose cred. Sorry Mr. Clark, but when you said that you were NEVER going to post again and here you are spewing like this, what does that lead people to think?

90's dance was fantastic for its day, whatever genre it is, but let's concentrate on 2011 and while there can ALWAYS be improvements in everything, this is a good run happening right now and if that can turn to more dance stations along the way, then it is a win.
 
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