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BIG 4 NETWORK STATIONS WITH SUB-CHANNELS OTHER THAN WEATHER/RADAR

gregg75

gregg75

I think there are less stations that have subs than those who don't have anything. Now that
Antenna TV and Me-TV have rolled out, maybe the sub view has changed. Most CBS and many
FOX stations have nothing.

Atlanta
WSB 2.1 ABC, 2.2 RTV (retro TV soon to be Me-TV)
WXIA 11.1 NBC, 11.2 nothing, 11.3 Universal Sports

Columbus, GA
WRBL 3.1 CBS, 3.2 RTV (future status still in question)

Albany/Valdosta, GA
WALB 10.1 NBC, 10.2 ABC
WSWG 43.1 CBS, 43.2 My Network TV, 43.3 CW
 
Cleveland: WJW 8.1 Fox, 8.2 Antenna TV
3 and 19 (NBC, CBS) have the weather subs, 5 (ABC) has nothing. WJW gets Antenna TV since it's owned by Tribune Jr., er, Local TV.

Youngstown: WFMJ 21.1 NBC, 21.2 CW ("WBCB")
WKBN 27.1 CBS, 27.2 Fox (HD, "Fox Youngstown", also available on WYFX-LD 19.1)
WYTV 33.1 ABC, 33.2 MyNetwork TV ("My YTV"), 33.3 weather

WKBN and WYTV are operated by New Vision, which owns WKBN and LMAs WYTV from Parkin.
 
Here in Tallahassee Florida Me-TV will come to FOX 49 WTLH-DT should start today as @4/2/11 but they told me that technical issue with the MeTV equipment.

I dont see any new Antenna TV adding new Affiliates here latey in the southeast the only local Antenna TV channel is in Miami on WSFL-DT CW-39. Maybe WTXL-DT (ABC) Tallahassee will add Antenna TV on 27.3 (just a guess)

WCTV-DT has My Network TV on (6.2) and This-TV (Secondary)

WTWC-DT (NBC) has (3) subchannels 1. WTWC-HD 2. Cool-TV (sd) and 3. TCN (county music)

WTLH-DT (FOX) has the CW on 49.2 and Me-TV on 49.3-Coming Soon
 
Nashville's Newschannel 5 (CBS) has had Newschannel5+ (usually called "the plus") since sometime in the late '90s. It was, for a long time, a cable-only channel (channel 250, currently), but was made available as channel 5.2 a couple of years ago, with THIS-TV on channel 5.3.

Our channel 4 (NBC) had Telemundo on 4.2 until the first of this year; now it's cable-only, and channel 4.2 is vacant.

Channel 2 (ABC) has our weather subchannel, at channel 2.2. www.nashvillewx.com
 
Here in my area, WJKT, Fox 16.2 in Jackson, Tennessee added The Cool TV which plays music videos.

Jackson TN

WJKT 16.1 Main Fox Programming
WJKT 16.2 The Cool Tv
 
Other than weather....hmmm.....

In Miami:

4.1 WFOR (CBS O&O) - no subs

6.1 WTVJ (NBC O&O)
6.3 Universal Sports

7.1 WSVN (Fox)
7.2 Estrella TV (Spanish)

10.1 WPLG (ABC)
10.2 LATV (Spanish)

In West Palm Beach:

5.1 WPTV (NBC) - only weather for a sub

12.1 WPEC (CBS)
12.2 Hola TV (Spanish)

25.1 WPBF (ABC)
25.2 Estrella TV (Spanish)

29.1 WFLX (Fox)
29.2 this is weird....only their logo & time-of-day showing....PSIP shows as "Tube" (yes, The Tube network, which has been out of biz for almost 3 years now!)

cd
 
Jazz_Kat said:
Here in my area, WJKT, Fox 16.2 in Jackson, Tennessee added The Cool TV which plays music videos.

Jackson TN

WJKT 16.1 Main Fox Programming
WJKT 16.2 The Cool Tv
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I just discovered that in the last week or so. Meanwhile WBBJ is still doing nothing but weather radar.
 
Jazz_Kat said:
Here in my area, WJKT, Fox 16.2 in Jackson, Tennessee added The Cool TV which plays music videos.
Jackson TN
WJKT 16.1 Main Fox Programming
WJKT 16.2 The Cool Tv
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We have The CoolTV on 30.2, and a country music video channel on 58.2, the latter channel of which is our CW affiliate, and both are sister stations of our Fox affiliate, Fox 17. So our Fox channel doesn't have subs, but its sister stations do.
 
In the Chicago market, the big 4 are O&O stations:

WBBM-TV 2.1 (CBS) - Currently no subchannels

WMAQ-TV 5.1 (NBC) - 5.2 Chicago Nonstop - 5.3 Universal Sports

WLS-TV 7.1 (ABC) - 7.2 Livewell Network (HD) - 7.3 SD simulcast of Livewell Network

WFLD 32.1 (Fox) - No subchannels

Both WLS-TV & WMAQ-TV eliminated their weather radar channels. WMAQ-TV eliminated theirs in favor of carrying Chicago Nonstop, which is modeled after New York Nonstop, & will eventually appear on all NBC O&O stations that carry NBC (not NBC O&O Telemundo stations). WLS-TV eliminated theirs (along with all ABC O&O stations) when their contract with Accuweather ran out, & decided that it was better to provide an SD version of Livewell Network to cable, rather than carry a separate feed to cable, or cable downscaling Livewell for cable. It's actually a waste of bandwidth.
 
Hartford:

WTIC-TV (FOX owned by Tribune)
61.2 Antenna TV

WVIT (NBC O&O)
30.2 is weather
30.3 Universal Sports TV

WTNH (ABC - Lin TV)

8.2 is weather radar

WFSB (CBS - Meridenth)

3.2 WSHM-LP/67 Springfield, Mass CBS
3.3 is News/Weather
3.4 Channel 3 Fairfield Country - Cablevision/Optimum Cable only service with. Same as WFSB's main channel excpet Fairfield County Oriented Ads
 
Sioux City, Iowa

KTIV 4.1 NBC 4.2 CW

KCAU 9.1 ABC 9.2 AccuWeather

KMEG 14.1 CBS 14.2 Azteca

KPTH 44.1 Fox 44.2 "My KPTH" This TV and My Network TV
 
Dave said:
In the Chicago market, the big 4 are O&O stations:

WBBM-TV 2.1 (CBS) - Currently no subchannels

WMAQ-TV 5.1 (NBC) - 5.2 Chicago Nonstop - 5.3 Universal Sports

WLS-TV 7.1 (ABC) - 7.2 Livewell Network (HD) - 7.3 SD simulcast of Livewell Network

WFLD 32.1 (Fox) - No subchannels

Both WLS-TV & WMAQ-TV eliminated their weather radar channels. WMAQ-TV eliminated theirs in favor of carrying Chicago Nonstop, which is modeled after New York Nonstop, & will eventually appear on all NBC O&O stations that carry NBC (not NBC O&O Telemundo stations). WLS-TV eliminated theirs (along with all ABC O&O stations) when their contract with Accuweather ran out, & decided that it was better to provide an SD version of Livewell Network to cable, rather than carry a separate feed to cable, or cable downscaling Livewell for cable. It's actually a waste of bandwidth.
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WOW, no wonder the rise of ME-TV..........you could drive an airplane through those Chicago subs.
Somebody saw the hole and ran with it (ME-TV).

Add Philly and Antenna TV to the above comment also.
 
In Dallas/Fort Worth:

KDFW/Channel 4 (Fox O&O) - no subs
KXAS/Channel 5 (NBC O&O) - 5.3 Universal Sports (5.2 is WX)
WFAA/Channel 8 (Belo) - 8.3 Live Well Network (8.2 is AccuWeather)
KTVT/Channel 11 (CBS O&O) - no subs

ThisTV used to be on 8.3 until they moved to 33.3 (KDAF, Tribune). Antenna TV is currently on 33.2.
 
Orlando has other Digital Sub Channels like Universal Sports,Estrella TV,RTN and so on.

KSHB-Action Weather Plus
FOX4KC-Antenna TV
KMCI-None yet
KCTV5-none yet only before extra March Madness Channels and DOT2 Network that's a no go at the moment
MYKSMOTV- None yet
KMBC-Moretv but will be ME-TV soon
KCWE-This TV
 
Charlotte:

Raycom-owned WBTV (CBS) This TV
Belo-owned WCNC (NBC) Live Well-TV
Bahakel-owned WCCB (FOX) ME-TV
 
Springfield, IL/Decatur/Champaign (I'll just give the full variety-less subchannel lineup in the market except PBS):

WCIA-3 (Champaign): 3.1 CBS, 3.2 My (from Nexstar sister station and 1967-2002 WCIA repeater WCFN-49.1 Springfield)

WICD-15 (Champaign): 15.1 ABC (basically a repeater of Sinclair's WICS-20 Springfield except news), 15.2 Cool TV
WAND-17 (Decatur): 17.1 NBC, 17.2 weather
WICS-20 (Springfield): 20.1 ABC, 20.2 Country Network (no Cool TV, not even on cable, on this side of the market)
WBUI-23 (Decatur): 23.1 CW, 23.2 This TV
WCCU-27 (Urbana): 27.1 Fox (no subs--WCCU is a repeater of WRSP Springfield)
WCFN-49 (Springfield): 49.1 My, 49.2 CBS from WCIA

WRSP-55 (Springfield): 55.1 Fox

Peoria/Bloomington is a little worse (full lineup--all Peoria-licensed stations except WYZZ-43, not including PBS WTVP-47):

WHOI-19: 19.1 ABC, 19.2 CW
WEEK-25: 25.1 NBC, 25.2 weather
WMBD-31: 31.1 CBS, no subs
WYZZ-43 (Bloomington): 43.1 Fox, 43.2 CoolTv, 43.3 Country Network (Sinclair owned although Nexstar's WMBD produces their news).

WAOE-59: 59.1 My (no subs)

Plus as a bonus the parts of the Peoria market mostly north of I-74 can also pick up all 5 channels of TBN via WWTO-35 LaSalle/Chicago. WWTO used to have analog translators in Peoria and Bloomington among other cities (e.g. Rockford, Elgin, Galesburg, etc.).

But not too far from Peoria--The Quad Cities (Davenport/Rock Island/Moline) puts both markets to shame (except PBS WQPT-24 and KQIN-36):

WHBF-4: 4.1 CBS, 4.2 RTN
KWQC-6: 6.1 NBC, 6.2 weather
WQAD-8: 8.1 ABC, 8.2 Antenna (formerly weather), 8.3 My (via LP analog WBQD-16)
KLJB-18: 18.1 Fox, 18.2 CW (via sister station KGCW-26 Burlington, IA), 18.3 This TV (via KGCW-26.2)
KGCW-26 (Burlington): 26.1 CW, 26.2 This

I am always--and still thankful--to have grown up within signal range of the Peoria and Quad Cities markets, including in the digital age. Plus throw in WWTO in the area I grew up in--and a very impressive digital channel lineup (at least 30 channels) for such a rural area in west central Illinois, IMO.
 
So tell me this, why does it look like the medium and small markets are making the
most of sub-channels? It's like a lot of them are already on third base, while the
larger markets (top 75) are lucky to be on first.

Did the larger market stations miss the boat? Do you think they are now seeing
that as an error? I think a lot of the larger stations went to bat first, but their
weather and whatever (which wasn't very popular) really threw them a curve and
got them too scared to do anything better on their subs.

Can I get some popcorn and Cracker Jacks please?
 
The largest market stations are generally network O&Os, and each network has its own idea about subchannels.

CBS basically doesn't do them. ABC has Live Well HD. NBC is doing local news/info channels ("Nonstop", and they just announced a California local news subchannel on their O&O stations there). Fox doesn't have a subchannel plan AFAIK.
 
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