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Big changes at WILM starting Monday

As MikefromDelaware suggested, I've often wondered, too, whether the Hawkins included provisions in the sale of WILM to maintain certain staff members or program elements.
One reason: They seemed to maintain a midday and afternoon drive longform newscast long beyond when you'd think CC wanted to. They fulfilled that by airing a half hour at 11:30 and an hour at 6 pm.
There were reports that when the local owners sold 100.3 Media/Philadelphia (the former Y-100) to Radio One, there was a five-year provision not to change the alternative rock format. Shortly after five years was up, R1 flipped the format.
How long has it been since WILM's sale became final?
 
To the last question, Clear Channel gained effective control of WILM from the Hawkins family, October 28th, 2004, just before the election. And that particular election night was the last time the station offered the kind of wall-to-wall election coverage it had in the past.

To other points raised by various people: First Loudell, then Fowser - coming from a news background - fought FOR the continuation of news blocks, such as the Noon news, moved to 11:30.

The first Delaware market general manager appeared to have no problem with that, before Clear Channel bumped him up to the Phoenix cluster.

The next Clear Channel general manager - coming from a Clear Channel cluster in New York state - clearly was appalled by the staff size, but the station had absolutely no automation equipment on French Street, and CC first had to grab Rush and Hannity back from 'DEL.

Once WILM moved to its new facility near the News-Journal, the real blood-letting could begin.

But, as the Wilmington CC cluster continued to under-perform, that second CC market manager got the boot as well.

The current CC market manager is ex-Delmarva Broadcasting, and even he seemed to have some reservations about completely shelving the station's news image.

After all, news sells. In this market, nationally syndicated shows don't. But the cookie-cutter decision-making apparently came from higher-up.
 
Yes, news sells. Look at the recent articles about billings on major market all news stations. News also costs money. WDEL has done an excellent job of producing their news product efficiently. Before Clear Channel took over they were able to compete effectively (sometimes more than effectively) with WILM with about one-third the staff. Even though WILM paid notoriously poorly, the set-up was wasteful, disorganized and inefficient. Did they lose money on purpose (as said earlier)? It seems more likely they lost money through inept management (in news gathering, programming and - most disastrously - in sales). Part of being inept was making money may not have been a priority, which is different than losing money on purpose.

And syndicated shows can be sold in Wilmington. "One Delaware radio station" was able to do it. And WILM had poor sales results even when they were mostly local and live. Even when their ratings were close, WDEL vastly out-billed WILM.
 
Re: inept management.

Good salespeople aren't that difficult to find. Good sales managers ... to lead a sales staff ... are MUCH more difficult to find. INCREDIBLY difficult when the job you're offering is to be the manager of a 1,000-watt stand-alone AM in a medium market. This has been discussed on this board before: WILM's slide started with the departure of Sales Manager Carl Jones to WDEL/WSTW in, what was it, 1990? Sales figures never recovered.

As for the news and programming: Sure, much of it was unorthodox if you wanted to play by the standard news/talk medium market AM station playbook. But there's one thing that can't be argued: The station, in the 1990s, had ratings that often beat WDEL. And while having Rush for part of that time helped, you don't build a winning Monday-Sunday 6a.m.-midnight rating through just 15 hours per week.

Much is being written these days ... including on this message board ... about the death of syndicated talk, the return of full-service AM-band radio with news blocks in AM and PM drive and a limited amount of syndication ... perhaps just Rush and overnights. Hm, sound familiar? Seems to me that WILM was 20 years ahead of much of the industry in that respect.
 
radiophiler said:
The station, in the 1990s, had ratings that often beat WDEL. And while having Rush for part of that time helped, you don't build a winning Monday-Sunday 6a.m.-midnight rating through just 15 hours per week.
True, but both stations were fighting for an aging demo and WILM was losing money the whole time. WILM can't be looked at as a typical news or talk station in any way - it was a hobby of the owners and it was run that way. It would be a mistake to draw any conclusions regarding the industry or the market based on this station's pre-2007 operations.

Much is being written these days ... including on this message board ... about the death of syndicated talk, the return of full-service AM-band radio with news blocks in AM and PM drive and a limited amount of syndication ... perhaps just Rush and overnights. Hm, sound familiar? Seems to me that WILM was 20 years ahead of much of the industry in that respect.
Much is being written about it because it's a sexy topic to radio people, not because it's a fullblown trend yet. The vast majority of talk stations use syndicated programming for most of their broadcast day.

The jury's still out on WPHT, for example, and remember that PHT cut Hannity to accommodate Smerconish, replacing a top-tier live show with one non-drivetime local hour and three hours of a prerecorded third-tier national show. Beck was cut for ratings and revenue purposes and replaced with a dependable local host. In the morning, WPHT took the opportunity to replace the attempting-to-be-syndication-friendly milquetoast version of Smerconish with a traditional conservative morning host who, while local, talks national issues for much of the show. The evening talk shows are de-emphasized due to the commitment to baseball.

How the more local strategy plays to the bottom line will take awhile to become evident, what with the Phillies and their non-talk audience ratings in the mix and the stale PM drive show albeit with a host that has local recognition factor - both positive and negative. The same is true nationally before we can determine anything about the success of local vs national and whether or not this really is a trend.
 
Radiophiler just stole my thunder.

WILM was earning about 1.1 to 1.2 Million a year under Carl Jones. The station was breaking about even.

Then, the Hawkins made a fatal error. On the advice of their "kitchen cabinet" (business types who unofficially advised the station, kind of a board of directors), Sally Hawkins wanted Jones to perhaps give-up the day-to-day sales management, and perhaps be a senior sales adviser part-time. The idea was to bring in "new blood".

Unfortunately, Jones son-in-law had passed away and he very much wanted full-time, especially with the sort of benefits package WILM could never offer. Jones crossed over to Delmarva Broadcasting and took several hundred thousand dollars with him. This was also about the time of the recession when the market nosedived. WILM never recovered.

Had the Hawkins had a sister FM station - where they could spread the costs of, for example, traffic - had they some better infrastructure; had they purchased the book... it's fascinating to speculate what might have happened with WILM.

Unable to afford to hire a real sales manager, Sally Hawkins brought in her son, E.B., a bright guy, but someone whose first priority was his music. (It didn't help that E.B. kept late hours, and arrived late in the morning or even early afternoon.)

Undeniably, the Hawkins had some very strong philosophical ideas about how to run a radio station: Because of the cost of the operation - and the premium affluent audience they believed they delivered - not cutting rate on spots... although they were known to toss some freebies to cherished local sponsors when the station wasn't sold out.

Also, a full-time business editor, coverage of nearly all school-board meetings, live coverage of the annual business dinners, etc.

It wasn't so much journalism, per se, as the belief that if your station was seen everywhere, you could drum up attention AND sales... the same philosophy that, on the political side, had the late Senator Bill Roth visiting church carnivals such as the Italian Festival with his German shepherd. (The late senator and Sally Hawkins were great friends.) Retail politics in Delaware.

In the latter years, admittedly, it became almost a crusade. Hawkins used the sales of first her beach house and then her house on Broom Street to help make pay-roll.

But make no mistake. The lady WANTED to make money. But she cut corners in ways that most other station owners would not: Virtually no promotions budget. Virtually no engineering budget. No cart machines on the planet probably ever saw the work-out they got at WILM! The overnight person was charged with winding carts.

One news/traffic vehicle that was driven mercilessly, and actually got stolen. In the latter years, no vehicle at all.

It was more important to be at every meeting.

Hey, for a while, folks could get local news from Cable Channel 2 AND TV 12 and WILM and WDEL!

For better or worse, the Hawkins were always trying to broker deals to enhance the station's visibility (commendable), but given the station's resources, usually some cockamamie arrangement. For example, the deal to do helicopter traffic, which required the traffic person to drive to a heliport - filing reports along the way - and then mount the two-way device each time at the start, and remove it at the end. Sometimes wires or connections broke.

The Hawkins hated syndicated talk (except for Larry King and Jim Bohannon). They wanted primarily locally-originated news (with a little talk: John Watson). They lived for the awards and recognition. The station was what it was.

But eventually, years of financial losses took their toll. Lacking a real benefits package, the sales department was a revolving door. Every once in a while, it seemed the sales department had hit a certain rhythm. But the hopes always crashed after one or two promising people gave their two weeks...

Fast-forward to 2011: So easy to find people in the Wilmington area - at various events and functions - who lament "what's happened at WILM", and who've gone to WDEL and/or public radio.
 
radiophiler said:
Re: inept management.

Good salespeople aren't that difficult to find. Good sales managers ... to lead a sales staff ... are MUCH more difficult to find. INCREDIBLY difficult when the job you're offering is to be the manager of a 1,000-watt stand-alone AM in a medium market. This has been discussed on this board before: WILM's slide started with the departure of Sales Manager Carl Jones to WDEL/WSTW in, what was it, 1990? Sales figures never recovered.

As for the news and programming: Sure, much of it was unorthodox if you wanted to play by the standard news/talk medium market AM station playbook. But there's one thing that can't be argued: The station, in the 1990s, had ratings that often beat WDEL. And while having Rush for part of that time helped, you don't build a winning Monday-Sunday 6a.m.-midnight rating through just 15 hours per week.

Much is being written these days ... including on this message board ... about the death of syndicated talk, the return of full-service AM-band radio with news blocks in AM and PM drive and a limited amount of syndication ... perhaps just Rush and overnights. Hm, sound familiar? Seems to me that WILM was 20 years ahead of much of the industry in that respect.

WILM was not ahead of the pack. Full service was the norm for non-music AM stations for some 30 years up to the early 90s. The News/Talk format got it's name because those stations did news blocks in drive time - as opposed to Talk stations, which did not. Stations back in the late 80s and early 90s did not embrace Rush. It took several years for him to catch on. Prior to that, if he was cleared in a market it was on a secondary station, on tape delay at night or "best of" segments on the weekends. As evidence grows that syndicated ideological talk has worn out it's welcome, many stations are going back to what they used to do.

WILM at the time tried to present itself as an all news station, although it never was.

And WILM did not try to hire good sales managers. The owner hired her son, who had no experience or ability. As a result, there was a constant turn-over of sales people who labored under policies that made it difficult (if not impossible) for them to sell effectively. By the time the station was sold, it was too late to turn things around. Being a stand-alone also hurt. The Hawkins family took over when FM licenses were available for the asking, so being a stand-alone was their own doing.
 
True, the station wasn't all-news, but it was a lot closer to that than most stations in even bigger markets. If one tuned in on a weekend, one actually heard all-news on both Saturday AND Sunday mornings -- until 9 -- and news half-hours alternating with recorded news-oriented shows. That was quite a bigger commitment than most news-talk stations, which, even then, pretty took long syndicated talk blocks on weekends... which the Hawkins hated.

WILM was one of the few affiliates of the old NBC NIS all-news format to stay with such a newsy format in the mid 1970's... beyond the top 20 markets.
 
MattParker said:
As evidence grows that syndicated ideological talk has worn out it's welcome, many stations are going back to what they used to do.
What evidence is there that talk stations are turning away from conservative talk? A couple of stations dropping Glenn Beck? What did talk stations "used to do" that they aren't doing now? Besides being tediously dull?
 
musichead1029 said:
MattParker said:
As evidence grows that syndicated ideological talk has worn out it's welcome, many stations are going back to what they used to do.
What evidence is there that talk stations are turning away from conservative talk? A couple of stations dropping Glenn Beck? What did talk stations "used to do" that they aren't doing now? Besides being tediously dull?

WBAL, KDKA among others.

They used to not offend people. They used to not have potential advertisers unwilling to buy because of inflammatory programming. They used to be mostly local and live. They used to have news blocks. They used to do play by play sports. They used to do shows not based on party line talking points and invective. They used to do shows on topics other than politics. They used to have better - and broader - demos. They used to show some class and creativity.

More people were listening then and apparently not bored. They stopped listening when the current crop of ideologues took over.
 
Well said, Matt Parker.

For once, I agree with you on every single point.

And what you don't mention is that if some of these syndicated programs move to satellite (Howard Stern) or some other platform, the stations carrying them are dead.

But managers for big conglomerates worry about the next quarter or the next year. They can't afford to worry about the longer-term.

That said, a regional dynamic is going on. The historic, 50-kilowatt blowtorches in the North are returning to what made them successful. (In the case of stations like Chicago's WBBM and WGN, they never left!) The conservative talkers don't seem as incendiary to advertisers in the South and the interior of the country.

But just look at the latest census figures: A lot of the explosive population growth in the Sunbelt comes from Northern retirees, African-Americans, and Hispanics... groups traditionally resistant to arch-conservative syndicated talk.

Meanwhile, don't forget the news-intensive stations are extending their brand on the Internet, with in-depth news, podcasts, video, blogs, and more. And building revenue in that domain.

Not the sophomoric, Clear Channel cookie-cutter website design, where the news is seemingly an afterthought or an asterisk, even for CC news/talk stations.
 
MattParker said:
musichead1029 said:
MattParker said:
As evidence grows that syndicated ideological talk has worn out it's welcome, many stations are going back to what they used to do.
What evidence is there that talk stations are turning away from conservative talk? A couple of stations dropping Glenn Beck? What did talk stations "used to do" that they aren't doing now? Besides being tediously dull?

WBAL, KDKA among others.
Two dominant heritage stations without serious news competition. WBAL's moves (other than dropping Rush) are smart. they're already perceived as the news station in town and with adjacent market WTOP getting 1-shares in Baltimore, it makes sense for BAL to play to its strengths. All-talk WCBM benefited as well. KDKA has always been mostly local and Clear Channel is doing very well with Top 7 WPGB carrying CC's talk lineup. KDKA has no choice but to play to its strength. CC has the top national talkers tied up in Pittsburgh.

They used to not offend people. They used to not have potential advertisers unwilling to buy because of inflammatory programming. They used to be mostly local and live. They used to have news blocks. They used to do play by play sports. They used to do shows not based on party line talking points and invective. They used to do shows on topics other than politics.
They used to be boring and that won't work in today's competitive media environment. Some stations carry lifestyle talk and it works for them. But for many, conservative talk works better. And if you're afraid of being "offensive" to someone, you simply don't belong in the talk radio business today.

The advertiser situation is a problem. Why most major advertisers shy away from a built-in audience is something of a mystery. Ideologically-based protests and boycotts are few and short-lived. Any advertiser should be able to claim that they advertise on a mix of programming to maximize their reach and be in safe water. I'm not sure what the issue is there.

That said, there doesn't appear to be a shortage of advertisers, albeit third-rate, on most talk programs. Limbaugh doesn't get paid tens of millions a year for not performing.

Political talk is ubiquitous because it attracts a sizable audience. That's why most local hosts feature national political topics prominently on their shows.

They used to have better - and broader - demos.
So did all of AM. Those days are gone forever.

They used to show some class and creativity.
Most still do. What they're doing just doesn't happen to be your cup of tea.

More people were listening then and apparently not bored. They stopped listening when the current crop of ideologues took over.
No, they didn't. There are more talk stations and more talk listeners today than at any time in radio's history. That demographic is aging along with AM radio's general audience. One of the solutions is to migrate successful programming to FM and attract a younger demo that way. This is proving to be successful in some markets. A successor generation of talkers will come along to replace the current one as its members retire. They will adopt the same talk formats that work today. They'll just be doing it on FM and successor media platforms.

I don't see this 'trend away from national talk' that some are trying to suggest. I suspect this is merely a case of confusing personal preferences with what's actually going on in the marketplace.
 
Musichead...

I don't dismiss your points out of hand. News & talk formats dominate. More are migrating to F.M.

But it's been more than 20 years since Rush, for example, went national. Many of his listeners are aging with him. New Jersey 101.5 grabs younger demos than many political talk stations will... even on F.M.

Lest we forget, it was still somewhat revolutionary for Rush or someone else in 1990 to have guitar riffs or modern rock going into or out of spot breaks. Now, that's old hat.

But, since this is a Delaware discussion board right here, let's return to the obvious: Musichead, you go out and try selling Rush and Hannity in the Wilmington market...

Let's be clear: If a talk station in Wilmington could get numbers approaching those of WSTW and WJBR, that station might get some national buys. But that ain't going to happen.

Locally? You miss the central point. It isn't necessarily a fear of boycotts that keeps these local businesses from advertising during Rush, Hannity or Savage.

The owner of a restaurant, auto dealership, retail store, etc., DOESN'T WANT TO BE PERSONALLY IDENTIFIED with incendiary hosts. The metro Wilmington market is still a small enough place where that person doesn't want to hear the grief, or risk psychological ostracism at the local Rotary, Kiwanis, or Lions club, or at a mainstream house of worship. The "Delaware Way" isn't dead.

That's why you hear all over the place... "Why did the new owners trash WILM?"
 
DX, you explained that well. Neither WDEL or WILM, from what I understand, had much success selling Rush locally. The Delaware Way is alive and well.

Interesting, that both Al Messitti, WDEL's local lib talker, and Rick Jensen, WDEL's local con talker, seem to do fine getting local spots. Both men are out spoken, and it's a "to each his own" opinion as to which host does the better show, but neither are controversial like Rush/Hannity/Beck. So even though Jensen's point of view mirrors Limbaugh's, he doesn't offend the local audience or the local sponsors. Same with Messitti. So WDEL gets both ratings and local spots. WILM may get ratings with Rush, but they get almost no local spots. Seems to me, from a business point of view, WDEL's business model is far sounder than CC Delaware's model for WILM.

As CC Delaware seems determine to go the route they've chosen, they've cut back personnel to the very bone hoping to make some profit and still do a live and local AM drive show. Long term it will be interesting to see if that works for them. My guess is, Elliot's show will eventually be dropped and a Premiere morning show will fill that slot, unless Elliot's show brings in a decent load of local spots. If not, my guess is, Phil will do the prerecorded news / weather capsules as he now does during Rush/Beck with Christie doing traffic. So they'll still have local news every hour after Fox news and local weather, but that will probably end up being it. If I were Bruce Elliot, I'd keep my resume up to date.
 
Two more points:

Rush ain't free. And I don't know about Hannity. But this is not the old world of barter for network programming. Granted, Clear Channel now owns Rush - and doubtless there's a special deal for Rush affiliates owned by Clear Channel - but my understanding is Rush affiliates still have to pay something.

And for a number of years, Rush affiliates were getting exponential increases.

But imagine the indignity: You're paying top dollar for this guy; he may give you a good midday rating, but not sufficient to get any national agency buys; and your local sales force basically can't sell him. When the Hawkins-era WILM carried Rush, most local advertisers asked that their spots NOT air during his show, which created a glut during other time slots.

That brings me to my second point: The Rush of the early 1990's was fresh and often fun. His "shtick", music, and production values drew listeners who didn't necessarily agree with his ideological positions. It was fun to hear him talk about Gorbachev and the Evil Empire. Liberals could be excused for listening. (One could detect some of the early influences on Rush, such as onetime Chicago jock Larry Lujack - WLS, WCFL)

The Rush of today is none of those things. And given the growing political polarization of the country, which rightly or wrongly, many blame on talk radio... one would assume it would be even TOUGHER to sell Rush's show, and similar shows, today in markets such as Wilmington.
 
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