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Big network affliate swap-Did it flop? *DELETED*
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HomerJay
Guest
Re: Big network affliate swap-Did it flop?
Speaking only for Philadelphia, I'm not sure how you arrive at your conclusion. KYW is more competitive with WCAU in the news race, and those swings are due as much to the respective network fortunes. The syndicated lineups are about where they were--KYW finally found something to make people watch in the afternoon with Dr. Phil, and WCAU continues to plod along filling in new talk shows year after year. However, Philadelphia is finally home to a local morning show once more with "10," a better show than "AM Philadelphia"/"AM Live" had been for years.
> Back in late 1994/1995, there was a complex deal between NBC
> and CBS to switch it's stations in Philadelphia, Denver,
> Boston, and Salt Lake City. Around the same time, Fox then
> started buying up VHF stations in big cities like Detroit,
> St. Louis, Cleveland, Milwaukee etc. displacing the big
> three to UHF(it matter at the time).
>
> A decade has passed, and in my opinion, this mostly happened
> to be a big mistake on all sides. Big city stations such as
> WWJ(a CBS O&O no less) in Detroit and KDNL in St. Louis no
> longer have local newscasts. These new Fox stations like WJW
> and WJBK have poor line-ups of newscasts and weak syndicated
> programming. Stations like WCAU and KYW have weakened, and
> KMGH in Denver remains unchanged...meaing they're still dead
> last.
>
> Did I mention the confusion of viewers(like me when I lived
> in Denver) who couldn't find when everything was on(KCNC did
> a complete 180 on times for CBS soaps from when KMGH had
> aired). Since no one ever talks about it today(it's probably
> a good thing they don't), I believe that it has been a total
> flop the big three, although Fox has has some success with
> it.
>
> Anyone else have any opinions or remeber this mess?
>
Speaking only for Philadelphia, I'm not sure how you arrive at your conclusion. KYW is more competitive with WCAU in the news race, and those swings are due as much to the respective network fortunes. The syndicated lineups are about where they were--KYW finally found something to make people watch in the afternoon with Dr. Phil, and WCAU continues to plod along filling in new talk shows year after year. However, Philadelphia is finally home to a local morning show once more with "10," a better show than "AM Philadelphia"/"AM Live" had been for years.
> Back in late 1994/1995, there was a complex deal between NBC
> and CBS to switch it's stations in Philadelphia, Denver,
> Boston, and Salt Lake City. Around the same time, Fox then
> started buying up VHF stations in big cities like Detroit,
> St. Louis, Cleveland, Milwaukee etc. displacing the big
> three to UHF(it matter at the time).
>
> A decade has passed, and in my opinion, this mostly happened
> to be a big mistake on all sides. Big city stations such as
> WWJ(a CBS O&O no less) in Detroit and KDNL in St. Louis no
> longer have local newscasts. These new Fox stations like WJW
> and WJBK have poor line-ups of newscasts and weak syndicated
> programming. Stations like WCAU and KYW have weakened, and
> KMGH in Denver remains unchanged...meaing they're still dead
> last.
>
> Did I mention the confusion of viewers(like me when I lived
> in Denver) who couldn't find when everything was on(KCNC did
> a complete 180 on times for CBS soaps from when KMGH had
> aired). Since no one ever talks about it today(it's probably
> a good thing they don't), I believe that it has been a total
> flop the big three, although Fox has has some success with
> it.
>
> Anyone else have any opinions or remeber this mess?
>
Re: Big network affliate swap-Did it flop?
The overall winner in the deal was Fox and the overall loser was probably CBS.
Fox had just got the NFL, and then through the New World deal, Fox was able to affiliate with established VHF stations in some significant markets...mainly at the expense of CBS. The flip did involve ABC and NBC getting knocked to UHF in St. Louis and Kansas City, respectively. ABC also ended up on UHF in Phoenix after a multi-station network swap. However, CBS suddenly found itself on UHF stations in Atlanta, Austin, Cleveland, Milwaukee, Detroit, and maybe somewhere else that isn't coming to me right now. CBS did manage to flip to another VHF station in Tampa, Dallas, and Phoenix.
KMGH must have been running CBS daytime severely out of pattern for you to be that confused.
The overall winner in the deal was Fox and the overall loser was probably CBS.
Fox had just got the NFL, and then through the New World deal, Fox was able to affiliate with established VHF stations in some significant markets...mainly at the expense of CBS. The flip did involve ABC and NBC getting knocked to UHF in St. Louis and Kansas City, respectively. ABC also ended up on UHF in Phoenix after a multi-station network swap. However, CBS suddenly found itself on UHF stations in Atlanta, Austin, Cleveland, Milwaukee, Detroit, and maybe somewhere else that isn't coming to me right now. CBS did manage to flip to another VHF station in Tampa, Dallas, and Phoenix.
KMGH must have been running CBS daytime severely out of pattern for you to be that confused.
Re: Big network affliate swap-Did it flop?
> KMGH must have been running CBS daytime severely out of
> pattern for you to be that confused.
>
It's true...
Before the switch...
10AM Bold and the Beautiful
10:30 The Price is Right
11:30 News
12:00 Young and the Restless
1:00 Guiding Light
2:00 As The World Turns
On KCNC
10:00 The Price is Right
11:00 Young and the Restless
12:00 News
12:30 Bold and The Beautiful
1:00 As The World Turns
2:00 Guiding Light
> KMGH must have been running CBS daytime severely out of
> pattern for you to be that confused.
>
It's true...
Before the switch...
10AM Bold and the Beautiful
10:30 The Price is Right
11:30 News
12:00 Young and the Restless
1:00 Guiding Light
2:00 As The World Turns
On KCNC
10:00 The Price is Right
11:00 Young and the Restless
12:00 News
12:30 Bold and The Beautiful
1:00 As The World Turns
2:00 Guiding Light
JeeperOne
Banned
Re: Big network affliate swap-Did it flop?
Hi everyone:
> > KMGH must have been running CBS daytime severely out of
> > pattern for you to be that confused.
> >
>
> It's true...
>
> Before the switch...
>
> 10AM Bold and the Beautiful
> 10:30 The Price is Right
> 11:30 News
> 12:00 Young and the Restless
> 1:00 Guiding Light
> 2:00 As The World Turns
NOT TRUE. Guiding Light was NEVER on at 1:00 PM. Also, this is the lineup they had just prior to the Big Switch...
9:00 AM The Price Is Right
10:00 AM Loving (From ABC Daytime)
10:30 AM Bold & The Beautiful
11:00 AM News
12:00 NOON The Young & The Restless
1:00 PM As The World Turns
2:00 PM Guiding Light
Aside from Loving from ABC being on KMGH instead of KUSA and the news being on at 11:00 AM, how confusing is this lineup?
> On KCNC
>
> 10:00 The Price is Right
> 11:00 Young and the Restless
> 12:00 News
> 12:30 Bold and The Beautiful
> 1:00 As The World Turns
> 2:00 Guiding Light
It's also the lineup of today.
Now I'll go back and correct your other mistakes Dustin...
Cheers for now
<P ID="signature">______________
http://patspodcast.blogspot.com/
Radio? Uhh.....What's THAT??</P>
Hi everyone:
> > KMGH must have been running CBS daytime severely out of
> > pattern for you to be that confused.
> >
>
> It's true...
>
> Before the switch...
>
> 10AM Bold and the Beautiful
> 10:30 The Price is Right
> 11:30 News
> 12:00 Young and the Restless
> 1:00 Guiding Light
> 2:00 As The World Turns
NOT TRUE. Guiding Light was NEVER on at 1:00 PM. Also, this is the lineup they had just prior to the Big Switch...
9:00 AM The Price Is Right
10:00 AM Loving (From ABC Daytime)
10:30 AM Bold & The Beautiful
11:00 AM News
12:00 NOON The Young & The Restless
1:00 PM As The World Turns
2:00 PM Guiding Light
Aside from Loving from ABC being on KMGH instead of KUSA and the news being on at 11:00 AM, how confusing is this lineup?
> On KCNC
>
> 10:00 The Price is Right
> 11:00 Young and the Restless
> 12:00 News
> 12:30 Bold and The Beautiful
> 1:00 As The World Turns
> 2:00 Guiding Light
It's also the lineup of today.
Now I'll go back and correct your other mistakes Dustin...
Cheers for now
<P ID="signature">______________
http://patspodcast.blogspot.com/
Radio? Uhh.....What's THAT??
</P>Re: Big network affliate swap-Did it flop?
> Hi everyone:
>
> > > KMGH must have been running CBS daytime severely out of
> > > pattern for you to be that confused.
> > >
> >
> > It's true...
> >
> > Before the switch...
> >
> > 10AM Bold and the Beautiful
> > 10:30 The Price is Right
> > 11:30 News
> > 12:00 Young and the Restless
> > 1:00 Guiding Light
> > 2:00 As The World Turns
>
> NOT TRUE. Guiding Light was NEVER on at 1:00 PM. Also,
> this is the lineup they had just prior to the Big Switch...
>
> 9:00 AM The Price Is Right
> 10:00 AM Loving (From ABC Daytime)
> 10:30 AM Bold & The Beautiful
> 11:00 AM News
> 12:00 NOON The Young & The Restless
> 1:00 PM As The World Turns
> 2:00 PM Guiding Light
>
> Aside from Loving from ABC being on KMGH instead of KUSA and
> the news being on at 11:00 AM, how confusing is this lineup?
True, I made the mistake of GL and ATWT, but when I looked up in my 10/29-11/04 94 issue of TV Guide, that was the schedule they had that fall, so I presumed that it had lasted into the next year. Of course, I was wrong, and I moved out of Colorado in November of 95 and haven't been back since.
I decided to delete the orginial post-I made my argument on what I see on the current facts of each station with no back-up. Sorry to cause trouble.
Oh yes, and on the confusion thing, I was only 14 at the time...
> Hi everyone:
>
> > > KMGH must have been running CBS daytime severely out of
> > > pattern for you to be that confused.
> > >
> >
> > It's true...
> >
> > Before the switch...
> >
> > 10AM Bold and the Beautiful
> > 10:30 The Price is Right
> > 11:30 News
> > 12:00 Young and the Restless
> > 1:00 Guiding Light
> > 2:00 As The World Turns
>
> NOT TRUE. Guiding Light was NEVER on at 1:00 PM. Also,
> this is the lineup they had just prior to the Big Switch...
>
> 9:00 AM The Price Is Right
> 10:00 AM Loving (From ABC Daytime)
> 10:30 AM Bold & The Beautiful
> 11:00 AM News
> 12:00 NOON The Young & The Restless
> 1:00 PM As The World Turns
> 2:00 PM Guiding Light
>
> Aside from Loving from ABC being on KMGH instead of KUSA and
> the news being on at 11:00 AM, how confusing is this lineup?
True, I made the mistake of GL and ATWT, but when I looked up in my 10/29-11/04 94 issue of TV Guide, that was the schedule they had that fall, so I presumed that it had lasted into the next year. Of course, I was wrong, and I moved out of Colorado in November of 95 and haven't been back since.
I decided to delete the orginial post-I made my argument on what I see on the current facts of each station with no back-up. Sorry to cause trouble.
Oh yes, and on the confusion thing, I was only 14 at the time...
JeeperOne
Banned
Re: Big network affliate swap-Did it flop?
Hi everyone:
> Back in late 1994/1995, there was a complex deal between NBC
> and CBS to switch it's stations in Philadelphia, Denver,
> Boston, and Salt Lake City. Around the same time, Fox then
> started buying up VHF stations in big cities like Detroit,
> St. Louis, Cleveland, Milwaukee etc. displacing the big
> three to UHF(it matter at the time).
>
> A decade has passed, and in my opinion, this mostly happened
> to be a big mistake on all sides. Big city stations such as
> WWJ(a CBS O&O no less) in Detroit and KDNL in St. Louis no
> longer have local newscasts.
Well....In the first place, WWJ was a RELIGIOUS station (I'm thinking TBN) before CBS took it over, so WWJ not having a decent newscast (or newscast ratings for that matter) shouldn't really be a big shock. And KDNL is (or at least WAS) owned by Ackerley (or is/was it Sinclair?) and has never been big on the "Big Three" networks to begin with AND has been known to run things on the cheap side anyway, so no newscast here is no real surprise either.
> These new Fox stations like WJW and WJBK have poor line-ups of newscasts and weak syndicated programming.
EVERY FOX station has this for a daytime lineup. Why do you think MANY of 'em *don't* run a 12:00 NOON newscast? Those that do have programming geniuses at the helm.
> Stations like WCAU and KYW have weakened,
How?
> and KMGH in Denver remains unchanged...meaing they're still dead last.
Uhh.....Obviously you haven't been watched ANY of their newscasts in the last several years.
And this is to say NOTHING of _THE FACT_ that it was "last place" KMGH who broke the story on the sex scandal at the Air Force Academy shortly after Tony Kovaleski's arrival from KPRC 2/Houston.
> Did I mention the confusion of viewers(like me when I lived
> in Denver) who couldn't find when everything was on(KCNC did
> a complete 180 on times for CBS soaps from when KMGH had
> aired).
No they didn't. All they did was simply re-arrange the lineup back to the way it was when KMGH was running it back in the early '90s (with the exception of the 10:00-11:00 AM hole, which was replaced by a 9:00-10:00 AM hole and Bold & Beautiful being inserted at 12:30 PM). Nothing more. Nothing less.
I challenge you to show me a TV Guide (either in paperback form or on the TV Guide website) that has the lineup you claim.
Since no one ever talks about it today(it's probably
> a good thing they don't), I believe that it has been a total
> flop the big three, although Fox has has some success with
> it.
Of course they did. FOX probably wouldn't be where they are today if they hadn't gone through with it.
> Anyone else have any opinions or remeber this mess?
Cheers for now<P ID="signature">______________
http://patspodcast.blogspot.com/
Radio? Uhh.....What's THAT??</P>
Hi everyone:
> Back in late 1994/1995, there was a complex deal between NBC
> and CBS to switch it's stations in Philadelphia, Denver,
> Boston, and Salt Lake City. Around the same time, Fox then
> started buying up VHF stations in big cities like Detroit,
> St. Louis, Cleveland, Milwaukee etc. displacing the big
> three to UHF(it matter at the time).
>
> A decade has passed, and in my opinion, this mostly happened
> to be a big mistake on all sides. Big city stations such as
> WWJ(a CBS O&O no less) in Detroit and KDNL in St. Louis no
> longer have local newscasts.
Well....In the first place, WWJ was a RELIGIOUS station (I'm thinking TBN) before CBS took it over, so WWJ not having a decent newscast (or newscast ratings for that matter) shouldn't really be a big shock. And KDNL is (or at least WAS) owned by Ackerley (or is/was it Sinclair?) and has never been big on the "Big Three" networks to begin with AND has been known to run things on the cheap side anyway, so no newscast here is no real surprise either.
> These new Fox stations like WJW and WJBK have poor line-ups of newscasts and weak syndicated programming.
EVERY FOX station has this for a daytime lineup. Why do you think MANY of 'em *don't* run a 12:00 NOON newscast? Those that do have programming geniuses at the helm.
> Stations like WCAU and KYW have weakened,
How?
> and KMGH in Denver remains unchanged...meaing they're still dead last.
Uhh.....Obviously you haven't been watched ANY of their newscasts in the last several years.
And this is to say NOTHING of _THE FACT_ that it was "last place" KMGH who broke the story on the sex scandal at the Air Force Academy shortly after Tony Kovaleski's arrival from KPRC 2/Houston.
> Did I mention the confusion of viewers(like me when I lived
> in Denver) who couldn't find when everything was on(KCNC did
> a complete 180 on times for CBS soaps from when KMGH had
> aired).
No they didn't. All they did was simply re-arrange the lineup back to the way it was when KMGH was running it back in the early '90s (with the exception of the 10:00-11:00 AM hole, which was replaced by a 9:00-10:00 AM hole and Bold & Beautiful being inserted at 12:30 PM). Nothing more. Nothing less.
I challenge you to show me a TV Guide (either in paperback form or on the TV Guide website) that has the lineup you claim.
Since no one ever talks about it today(it's probably
> a good thing they don't), I believe that it has been a total
> flop the big three, although Fox has has some success with
> it.
Of course they did. FOX probably wouldn't be where they are today if they hadn't gone through with it.
> Anyone else have any opinions or remeber this mess?
Cheers for now
<P ID="signature">______________
http://patspodcast.blogspot.com/
Radio? Uhh.....What's THAT??
</P>Re: Big network affliate swap-Did it flop?
> Well....In the first place, WWJ was a RELIGIOUS station (I'm
> thinking TBN) before CBS took it over, so WWJ not having a
> decent newscast (or newscast ratings for that matter)
> shouldn't really be a big shock.
Actually, it was originally a general independent station, WGPR ch.62, which was owned by a black fraternal organisation -- don't know the name, but it was associated with the Masons. And while it did have some religious shows, I don't think it carried anything from TBN (which was on low-powered ch.66 at the time of the swap).
> Well....In the first place, WWJ was a RELIGIOUS station (I'm
> thinking TBN) before CBS took it over, so WWJ not having a
> decent newscast (or newscast ratings for that matter)
> shouldn't really be a big shock.
Actually, it was originally a general independent station, WGPR ch.62, which was owned by a black fraternal organisation -- don't know the name, but it was associated with the Masons. And while it did have some religious shows, I don't think it carried anything from TBN (which was on low-powered ch.66 at the time of the swap).
M
mwebster
Guest
Re: Big network affliate swap-Did it flop?
Why did you delete your original post (and then keep going with it)? Makes it really hard to follow the thread.
Why did you delete your original post (and then keep going with it)? Makes it really hard to follow the thread.
Re: Big network affliate swap-Did it flop?
>
> >To clear up who did what to whom in the
switches from the Big Three to Fox:
ABC affiliates: KTVI/2 St. Louis
WBRC/6 Birmingham
WGHP/8 Greensboro/Winston-
Salem/High Point
Their replacements:
KDNL/30 St. Louis
WCFT/33, WJSU/40, WBMA-LP/58
Birmingham/Anniston/Tuscaloosa
WXLV/45 Greensboro/Winston-
Salem/High Point
CBS affiliates: WJBK/2 Detroit
KDFW/4 Dallas/Ft. Worth
WAGA/5 Atlanta
WITI/6 Milwaukee
KTBC/7 Austin
WJW/8 Cleveland
KSAZ/10 Phoenix
WTVT/13 Tampa/St. Petersburg
Their replacements:
WWJ/62 Detroit
KTVT/11 Dallas/Ft. Worth
WGCL/46 Atlanta
WDJT/58 Milwaukee
KEYE/42 Austin
WOIO/19 Cleveland
KPHO/5 Phoenix
WTSP/10 Tampa/St. Petersburg
NBC affiliate: WDAF/4 Kansas City
Its replacement:
KSHB/41
There were several others; these are the ones involved in
the Fox/New World merger that led to all these switches
(I think WHBQ/13 Memphis was also involved, with ABC moving
to WPTY/24).
Some of the former CBS affiliates were able to once again
carry their local NFL teams, thanks to Fox:
WJBK (Detroit Lions)
KDFW (Dallas Cowboys)
WAGA (Atlanta Falcons)
WITI (Green Bay Packers)
KSAZ (Arizona Cardinals)
WTVT (Tampa Bay Buccaneers)
Some other stations that switched to Fox:
stations owned by Burnham Broadcasting:
KHON/2 Honolulu (NBC)
WVUE/8 New Orleans (ABC)
WALA/10 Mobile, AL (NBC)
WLUK/11 Green Bay, WI (NBC)
New Big Three affilates:
KHNL/13 Honolulu
WGNO/26 New Orleans
WPMI/15 Mobile
WGBA/26 Green Bay
Evansville, IN three-way swap:
WTVW/7 ABC to Fox
WEHT/25 CBS to ABC
WEVV/44 Fox to CBS
Terre Haute, IN
WBAK/38 ABC to Fox
no replacement ABC affiliate
South Bend, IN
WSJV/28 ABC to Fox
ABC is on Ch. 57, I don't know
the call letters
Macon, GA
WGXA/24 ABC to Fox
WPGA/58 Fox to ABC
Columbus/Tupelo, MS
WLOV/27 ABC to Fox
ABC is on Ch. 45, again don't
know the call letters
Monroe, LA/El Dorado, AR
KARD/14 ABC to Fox
New ABC affiliate KAQY/11
KECY/9 Yuma, AZ/El Centro, CA went from CBS to Fox
KVCT/19 Victoria, TX ABC to Fox, KAVU/25 NBC to ABC
As for other networks:
Baltimore three-way swap:
WMAR/2 NBC to ABC
WBAL/11 CBS to NBC
WJZ/13 ABC to CBS
Salt Lake City
KUTV/2 NBC to CBS (o&o)
KSL/5 CBS to NBC
Tampa/St. Petersburg three-way swap:
WTSP/10 ABC to CBS
WTVT/13 CBS to Fox
WFTS/28 Fox to ABC
Atlanta three-way swap:
WAGA/5 CBS to Fox
WATL/36 Fox to independent
to the WB
WGCL/46 independent to CBS
Dallas three-way swap:
KDFW/4 CBS to Fox
KTVT/11 independent to CBS
KDAF/33 Fox to independent
to the WB
Phoenix four-way swap:
KTVK/3 ABC to independent
KPHO/5 independent to CBS
KSAZ/10 CBS to (briefly)
independent to Fox
KNXV/15 Fox to ABC
Cincinnati:
WCPO/9 CBS to ABC
WKRC/12 ABC to CBS
Raleigh/Durham:
WNCN/17 independent to NBC o&o
WRDC/28 NBC to UPN
These are all I can think of from the mid-'90s.
>
>
>
> >
>
>
> >To clear up who did what to whom in the
switches from the Big Three to Fox:
ABC affiliates: KTVI/2 St. Louis
WBRC/6 Birmingham
WGHP/8 Greensboro/Winston-
Salem/High Point
Their replacements:
KDNL/30 St. Louis
WCFT/33, WJSU/40, WBMA-LP/58
Birmingham/Anniston/Tuscaloosa
WXLV/45 Greensboro/Winston-
Salem/High Point
CBS affiliates: WJBK/2 Detroit
KDFW/4 Dallas/Ft. Worth
WAGA/5 Atlanta
WITI/6 Milwaukee
KTBC/7 Austin
WJW/8 Cleveland
KSAZ/10 Phoenix
WTVT/13 Tampa/St. Petersburg
Their replacements:
WWJ/62 Detroit
KTVT/11 Dallas/Ft. Worth
WGCL/46 Atlanta
WDJT/58 Milwaukee
KEYE/42 Austin
WOIO/19 Cleveland
KPHO/5 Phoenix
WTSP/10 Tampa/St. Petersburg
NBC affiliate: WDAF/4 Kansas City
Its replacement:
KSHB/41
There were several others; these are the ones involved in
the Fox/New World merger that led to all these switches
(I think WHBQ/13 Memphis was also involved, with ABC moving
to WPTY/24).
Some of the former CBS affiliates were able to once again
carry their local NFL teams, thanks to Fox:
WJBK (Detroit Lions)
KDFW (Dallas Cowboys)
WAGA (Atlanta Falcons)
WITI (Green Bay Packers)
KSAZ (Arizona Cardinals)
WTVT (Tampa Bay Buccaneers)
Some other stations that switched to Fox:
stations owned by Burnham Broadcasting:
KHON/2 Honolulu (NBC)
WVUE/8 New Orleans (ABC)
WALA/10 Mobile, AL (NBC)
WLUK/11 Green Bay, WI (NBC)
New Big Three affilates:
KHNL/13 Honolulu
WGNO/26 New Orleans
WPMI/15 Mobile
WGBA/26 Green Bay
Evansville, IN three-way swap:
WTVW/7 ABC to Fox
WEHT/25 CBS to ABC
WEVV/44 Fox to CBS
Terre Haute, IN
WBAK/38 ABC to Fox
no replacement ABC affiliate
South Bend, IN
WSJV/28 ABC to Fox
ABC is on Ch. 57, I don't know
the call letters
Macon, GA
WGXA/24 ABC to Fox
WPGA/58 Fox to ABC
Columbus/Tupelo, MS
WLOV/27 ABC to Fox
ABC is on Ch. 45, again don't
know the call letters
Monroe, LA/El Dorado, AR
KARD/14 ABC to Fox
New ABC affiliate KAQY/11
KECY/9 Yuma, AZ/El Centro, CA went from CBS to Fox
KVCT/19 Victoria, TX ABC to Fox, KAVU/25 NBC to ABC
As for other networks:
Baltimore three-way swap:
WMAR/2 NBC to ABC
WBAL/11 CBS to NBC
WJZ/13 ABC to CBS
Salt Lake City
KUTV/2 NBC to CBS (o&o)
KSL/5 CBS to NBC
Tampa/St. Petersburg three-way swap:
WTSP/10 ABC to CBS
WTVT/13 CBS to Fox
WFTS/28 Fox to ABC
Atlanta three-way swap:
WAGA/5 CBS to Fox
WATL/36 Fox to independent
to the WB
WGCL/46 independent to CBS
Dallas three-way swap:
KDFW/4 CBS to Fox
KTVT/11 independent to CBS
KDAF/33 Fox to independent
to the WB
Phoenix four-way swap:
KTVK/3 ABC to independent
KPHO/5 independent to CBS
KSAZ/10 CBS to (briefly)
independent to Fox
KNXV/15 Fox to ABC
Cincinnati:
WCPO/9 CBS to ABC
WKRC/12 ABC to CBS
Raleigh/Durham:
WNCN/17 independent to NBC o&o
WRDC/28 NBC to UPN
These are all I can think of from the mid-'90s.
>
>
>
> >
>
Re: Big network affliate swap-Did it flop?
> Some other stations that switched to Fox:
>
> stations owned by Burnham Broadcasting:
>
> KHON/2 Honolulu (NBC)
> WVUE/8 New Orleans (ABC)
> WALA/10 Mobile, AL (NBC)
> WLUK/11 Green Bay, WI (NBC)
>
Burnham since acquired by Emmis, who is now shedding their TV stations.
> South Bend, IN
>
> WSJV/28 ABC to Fox
> ABC is on Ch. 57, I don't know
> the call letters
ABC in South Bend is WBND, a low-powered ABC affiliate owned by Weigel.
> Columbus/Tupelo, MS
>
> WLOV/27 ABC to Fox
> ABC is on Ch. 45, again don't
> know the call letters
WKDH.
> KVCT/19 Victoria, TX ABC to Fox, KAVU/25 NBC to ABC
Though KAVU, in a way, eventually got to keep NBC by opening up a separate low-powered affiliate on ch.41 (forgot calls, though).
> Some other stations that switched to Fox:
>
> stations owned by Burnham Broadcasting:
>
> KHON/2 Honolulu (NBC)
> WVUE/8 New Orleans (ABC)
> WALA/10 Mobile, AL (NBC)
> WLUK/11 Green Bay, WI (NBC)
>
Burnham since acquired by Emmis, who is now shedding their TV stations.
> South Bend, IN
>
> WSJV/28 ABC to Fox
> ABC is on Ch. 57, I don't know
> the call letters
ABC in South Bend is WBND, a low-powered ABC affiliate owned by Weigel.
> Columbus/Tupelo, MS
>
> WLOV/27 ABC to Fox
> ABC is on Ch. 45, again don't
> know the call letters
WKDH.
> KVCT/19 Victoria, TX ABC to Fox, KAVU/25 NBC to ABC
Though KAVU, in a way, eventually got to keep NBC by opening up a separate low-powered affiliate on ch.41 (forgot calls, though).
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TXengineer
Guest
Re: Big network affliate swap-Did it flop?
> And KDNL is (or at least
> WAS) owned by Ackerley (or is/was it Sinclair?)
KDNL is owned by Sinclair now.
> And KDNL is (or at least
> WAS) owned by Ackerley (or is/was it Sinclair?)
KDNL is owned by Sinclair now.
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Mark_Ericson
Guest
Re: Big network affliate swap-Did it flop?
> > KVCT/19 Victoria, TX ABC to Fox, KAVU/25 NBC to ABC
>
> Though KAVU, in a way, eventually got to keep NBC by opening
> up a separate low-powered affiliate on ch.41 (forgot calls,
> though).
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>
> Though KAVU, in a way, eventually got to keep NBC by opening
> up a separate low-powered affiliate on ch.41 (forgot calls,
> though).
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Re: Big network affliate swap-Did it flop?
>
> These are all I can think of from the mid-'90s.
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> >
>
January 2, 1995 in Boston...
WBZ-TV 4 from NBC to CBS (eventually to CBS O&O with the merger of Westinghouse and CBS)
WHDH-7 from CBS to NBC
>
> These are all I can think of from the mid-'90s.
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> >
>
January 2, 1995 in Boston...
WBZ-TV 4 from NBC to CBS (eventually to CBS O&O with the merger of Westinghouse and CBS)
WHDH-7 from CBS to NBC
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stevebaxley
Guest
Re: Big network affliate swap-Detroit FLOPPED
In Detroit,the big switch has proven to be a big disaster, a bit of history:
WJBK then Under STORER Communications ALWAYS had a love/hate relationship with CBS..Mainly HATE!,even under the different management/ownership, they just couldnt wait to get out from under the CBS eye to something new.
In comes the big announcement that FOX was going from WKBD to WJBK as FOX owners purchased the stations of New World Communications from its owner Ron Perlman.
CBS tried to prevent it,to no avail.. so they went shopping for a new station, first they met with management at WDIV, well NBC heard of it and before you can say CBSEVENINGNEWSWITHDANRATHER..NBC and WDIV were locked in, CBS then wooed Scripps-Howard Broadcasting's WXYZ ..but again, they were out manned when ABC came and again zoom, ABC and WXYZ were signed.
So it was down to three and a half indy stations
Met with Abel Johnson and WXON.... almost got it, no dice
Met with WADL...left after 5 minutes
thus,beaten to the path and thwarted by ABC and NBC CBS had no choice, they announced a plan to buy WGPR TV 62 a former Inovative Indy powerhouse and the first black owned media outlet in the USA,owned by the black masons religious organization that really had no concept of TV when they took all that talent and with the exception of "The Scene" dance show turned it from a powerhouse to a low budget version of public access TV,but they were trying..shows like "THE ARAB VOICE OF DETROIT" were popular,but barely seen with a weak signal.
CBS' purchase of WGPR TV didnt go without some maor heat from a black businessman/alumni of Michigigan state Joel Ferguseon, whose track record
with Television stations is not good, he sued CBS AND their owner at the time WESTING HOUSE BROADCASTING,Ferguseon wanted to buy WGPR himself and try to make a success out of it, unlike his previous attempts which either flopped or he just grew tired and sold out (started up Lansing's WSYM TV 47 then sold it to Journal Communications, then started up WLAJ ABC53, thought it was a success, then mothballed the news and sold it to Granite and they sold it to Freedom Broadcasting..that station continues to be ABC's big mistake)
Well Fergueson thought he had a deal with Westinghouse where they would go 50-50, but after all the shouting and cost, Ferguseon lost the lawsuit,and CBS became owner of WGPR and began to "make improvements" to the station...
Gone were all the local programming made famous,replaced by CBS shows, their studio was shut down,they moved it to just and office building at Stroh's Place,and they hired a news director as they said that "LOCAL NEWS WOULD BE A PRIORITY" buut first they had to boost that antenna and its signal power, that was ok, then came a news name 62CBS DETROIT,then they cahnged calls to some very historic ones WWJ.
Viacom would buy CBS and move WWJ to its new home..WKBD Studio Southfield.
meanwhile FOX put some buck into a BIG promotional campaign and its worked ..somewhat
while its morning news is a winner,its news at 10..which at first was a big hit, now flounders.
meanwhile the news department of UPN/CBS Detroit heard many rumors of its days being numbered, their now FORMER GM tried to downplay it, but CBS/UPN president of News ops Dennis Swanson and his second Princell Hair went behind the backs of WKBD/WWJ employees and on december 2nd ..annoucned what was leaked to all the internet media mags like FTVLive that the plug would be pulled on the news department of WKBD/WWJ, making WWJ the ONLY CBS O&O with NO newscast
(see Their 11pm news was produced by WKBD)
To this day the new GM of WKBD/WWJ will not restart a news department, they lost Red Wings to FOX,lost the Tigers, and the Pistons,and are now a shell of their former selves,
so the big switch has been nothing but a flop in Detroit..at least in the opinions of those who continue to wonder if it was worth it!
In Detroit,the big switch has proven to be a big disaster, a bit of history:
WJBK then Under STORER Communications ALWAYS had a love/hate relationship with CBS..Mainly HATE!,even under the different management/ownership, they just couldnt wait to get out from under the CBS eye to something new.
In comes the big announcement that FOX was going from WKBD to WJBK as FOX owners purchased the stations of New World Communications from its owner Ron Perlman.
CBS tried to prevent it,to no avail.. so they went shopping for a new station, first they met with management at WDIV, well NBC heard of it and before you can say CBSEVENINGNEWSWITHDANRATHER..NBC and WDIV were locked in, CBS then wooed Scripps-Howard Broadcasting's WXYZ ..but again, they were out manned when ABC came and again zoom, ABC and WXYZ were signed.
So it was down to three and a half indy stations
Met with Abel Johnson and WXON.... almost got it, no dice
Met with WADL...left after 5 minutes
thus,beaten to the path and thwarted by ABC and NBC CBS had no choice, they announced a plan to buy WGPR TV 62 a former Inovative Indy powerhouse and the first black owned media outlet in the USA,owned by the black masons religious organization that really had no concept of TV when they took all that talent and with the exception of "The Scene" dance show turned it from a powerhouse to a low budget version of public access TV,but they were trying..shows like "THE ARAB VOICE OF DETROIT" were popular,but barely seen with a weak signal.
CBS' purchase of WGPR TV didnt go without some maor heat from a black businessman/alumni of Michigigan state Joel Ferguseon, whose track record
with Television stations is not good, he sued CBS AND their owner at the time WESTING HOUSE BROADCASTING,Ferguseon wanted to buy WGPR himself and try to make a success out of it, unlike his previous attempts which either flopped or he just grew tired and sold out (started up Lansing's WSYM TV 47 then sold it to Journal Communications, then started up WLAJ ABC53, thought it was a success, then mothballed the news and sold it to Granite and they sold it to Freedom Broadcasting..that station continues to be ABC's big mistake)
Well Fergueson thought he had a deal with Westinghouse where they would go 50-50, but after all the shouting and cost, Ferguseon lost the lawsuit,and CBS became owner of WGPR and began to "make improvements" to the station...
Gone were all the local programming made famous,replaced by CBS shows, their studio was shut down,they moved it to just and office building at Stroh's Place,and they hired a news director as they said that "LOCAL NEWS WOULD BE A PRIORITY" buut first they had to boost that antenna and its signal power, that was ok, then came a news name 62CBS DETROIT,then they cahnged calls to some very historic ones WWJ.
Viacom would buy CBS and move WWJ to its new home..WKBD Studio Southfield.
meanwhile FOX put some buck into a BIG promotional campaign and its worked ..somewhat
while its morning news is a winner,its news at 10..which at first was a big hit, now flounders.
meanwhile the news department of UPN/CBS Detroit heard many rumors of its days being numbered, their now FORMER GM tried to downplay it, but CBS/UPN president of News ops Dennis Swanson and his second Princell Hair went behind the backs of WKBD/WWJ employees and on december 2nd ..annoucned what was leaked to all the internet media mags like FTVLive that the plug would be pulled on the news department of WKBD/WWJ, making WWJ the ONLY CBS O&O with NO newscast
(see Their 11pm news was produced by WKBD)
To this day the new GM of WKBD/WWJ will not restart a news department, they lost Red Wings to FOX,lost the Tigers, and the Pistons,and are now a shell of their former selves,
so the big switch has been nothing but a flop in Detroit..at least in the opinions of those who continue to wonder if it was worth it!
Re: Big network affliate swap-Detroit FLOPPED
> CBS then wooed Scripps-Howard Broadcasting's WXYZ ..but
> again, they were out manned when ABC came and again zoom,
> ABC and WXYZ were signed.
Perhaps this was the anvil Scripps-Howard held over ABC's head in contract negotiations for thier stations in Tampa Bay, Phoenix and Baltimore during the switch period.
WXYZ-7 is one of ABC's heritage station, and a former O&O (it was shed to Scripps when Capital Cities purchased ABC in the 1980s). I can imagine they would go to the mat to protect this affiliation.
ABC affiliated with Scripps-owned KNXV-15-Phoenix (dropping then locally-owned KTVK-3), dropped Gannett's WTSP-10-Tampa for then recently-acquired WFTS-28 and passing an opportunity to affiliate with Hearst's Baltimore station, WBAL-11, in favor of WMAR-2 (that switched caused by Westinghouse's later purchase of CBS, affecting Westinghouse-owned WJZ-13). The only station Scripps was unsuccessful in affiliating with ABC was KSHB-41-Kansas City, because Hearst refuse to give up their affiliation on KMBC-9.
> CBS then wooed Scripps-Howard Broadcasting's WXYZ ..but
> again, they were out manned when ABC came and again zoom,
> ABC and WXYZ were signed.
Perhaps this was the anvil Scripps-Howard held over ABC's head in contract negotiations for thier stations in Tampa Bay, Phoenix and Baltimore during the switch period.
WXYZ-7 is one of ABC's heritage station, and a former O&O (it was shed to Scripps when Capital Cities purchased ABC in the 1980s). I can imagine they would go to the mat to protect this affiliation.
ABC affiliated with Scripps-owned KNXV-15-Phoenix (dropping then locally-owned KTVK-3), dropped Gannett's WTSP-10-Tampa for then recently-acquired WFTS-28 and passing an opportunity to affiliate with Hearst's Baltimore station, WBAL-11, in favor of WMAR-2 (that switched caused by Westinghouse's later purchase of CBS, affecting Westinghouse-owned WJZ-13). The only station Scripps was unsuccessful in affiliating with ABC was KSHB-41-Kansas City, because Hearst refuse to give up their affiliation on KMBC-9.
Re: Big network affliate swap-Detroit FLOPPED
> >
> >>I would say that Atlanta was a flop. WGCL/46
has canceled its morning news, moved its 5 PM news
to 4 PM and placed Ellen DeGeneres at 5, and made
a number of changes in on-air people (plus the station
has been sold from Tribune to Meredith). But WSB/2
(ABC) and WXIA/11 (NBC) aren't likely to be moving to
CBS, especially WXIA; Gannett is tight with NBC and
I believed WXIA just re-signed with NBC until 2015.
Tampa worked out OK for CBS. WTSP/10 was an abysmal
ABC affiliate, weak signal because its transmitter was
placed north of the Bay Area to avoid short-spacing WPLG
Miami, and one of CBS's strongest affiliates in WTVT/13.
But when 13 went to Fox, 10 saw an opportunity and has
since found itself no worse than second or third in most
timeslots. NBC affiliate WFLA/8 is the highest-rated
station in Florida.
Dallas also worked out pretty well for CBS. KTVT/11 is
now an o&o, and the station has gotten quite aggressive
in local news, hiring the dean of Metroplex anchors, Tracy
Rowlett, from ABC affiliate WFAA/8. They also have Wheel
Of Fortune and Jeopardy! now. Wheel, in particular, should
attract more people to the 6 PM news, which precedes it, and
keep them there for CBS primetime at 7.
Austin's KEYE/42 is also quite competitive in a market where
the only VHF is the Fox o&o (is KBEJ/2 considered an Austin
or San Antonio station?).
>
> >
>
> >
> >>I would say that Atlanta was a flop. WGCL/46
has canceled its morning news, moved its 5 PM news
to 4 PM and placed Ellen DeGeneres at 5, and made
a number of changes in on-air people (plus the station
has been sold from Tribune to Meredith). But WSB/2
(ABC) and WXIA/11 (NBC) aren't likely to be moving to
CBS, especially WXIA; Gannett is tight with NBC and
I believed WXIA just re-signed with NBC until 2015.
Tampa worked out OK for CBS. WTSP/10 was an abysmal
ABC affiliate, weak signal because its transmitter was
placed north of the Bay Area to avoid short-spacing WPLG
Miami, and one of CBS's strongest affiliates in WTVT/13.
But when 13 went to Fox, 10 saw an opportunity and has
since found itself no worse than second or third in most
timeslots. NBC affiliate WFLA/8 is the highest-rated
station in Florida.
Dallas also worked out pretty well for CBS. KTVT/11 is
now an o&o, and the station has gotten quite aggressive
in local news, hiring the dean of Metroplex anchors, Tracy
Rowlett, from ABC affiliate WFAA/8. They also have Wheel
Of Fortune and Jeopardy! now. Wheel, in particular, should
attract more people to the 6 PM news, which precedes it, and
keep them there for CBS primetime at 7.
Austin's KEYE/42 is also quite competitive in a market where
the only VHF is the Fox o&o (is KBEJ/2 considered an Austin
or San Antonio station?).
>
> >
>
Re: Big network affliate swap-Did it flop?
> Speaking only for Philadelphia, I'm not sure how you arrive
> at your conclusion. KYW is more competitive with WCAU in
> the news race, and those swings are due as much to the
> respective network fortunes. The syndicated lineups are
> about where they were--KYW finally found something to make
> people watch in the afternoon with Dr. Phil, and WCAU
> continues to plod along filling in new talk shows year after
> year. However, Philadelphia is finally home to a local
> morning show once more with "10," a better show than "AM
> Philadelphia"/"AM Live" had been for years.
>
CBS went from CH.10, a No.2 station in the market, to KYW, which became a distant No.3 station in the market for much of the late 90s/early 00s. Of course, lot of KYW's low ratings happened because of CBS management: no success in the AM hour against Today, not so strong primetime or daytime, weak syndicated material for its O&Os, and keeping very old anchormen for its news-shows. It was not a problem of the station number, or calls.
It's only now with Dr.Phil, CBS primetime at #1, and younger Larry Mendte/Alycia Lane over Larry Kane, has KYW come up.
But KYW and WCAU are your typical EST network O&O., now much more like their NY flagship sister stations.
As for WCAU plodding along filling in new talk shows, Ellen HAS been successful on WCAU.
>
>
> > Back in late 1994/1995, there was a complex deal between
> NBC
> > and CBS to switch it's stations in Philadelphia, Denver,
> > Boston, and Salt Lake City. Around the same time, Fox then
>
> > started buying up VHF stations in big cities like Detroit,
>
> > St. Louis, Cleveland, Milwaukee etc. displacing the big
> > three to UHF(it matter at the time).
> >
> > A decade has passed, and in my opinion, this mostly
> happened
> > to be a big mistake on all sides. Big city stations such
> as
> > WWJ(a CBS O&O no less) in Detroit and KDNL in St. Louis no
>
> > longer have local newscasts. These new Fox stations like
> WJW
> > and WJBK have poor line-ups of newscasts and weak
> syndicated
> > programming. Stations like WCAU and KYW have weakened, and
>
> > KMGH in Denver remains unchanged...meaing they're still
> dead
> > last.
> >
> > Did I mention the confusion of viewers(like me when I
> lived
> > in Denver) who couldn't find when everything was on(KCNC
> did
> > a complete 180 on times for CBS soaps from when KMGH had
> > aired). Since no one ever talks about it today(it's
> probably
> > a good thing they don't), I believe that it has been a
> total
> > flop the big three, although Fox has has some success with
>
> > it.
> >
> > Anyone else have any opinions or remeber this mess?
> >
>
> Speaking only for Philadelphia, I'm not sure how you arrive
> at your conclusion. KYW is more competitive with WCAU in
> the news race, and those swings are due as much to the
> respective network fortunes. The syndicated lineups are
> about where they were--KYW finally found something to make
> people watch in the afternoon with Dr. Phil, and WCAU
> continues to plod along filling in new talk shows year after
> year. However, Philadelphia is finally home to a local
> morning show once more with "10," a better show than "AM
> Philadelphia"/"AM Live" had been for years.
>
CBS went from CH.10, a No.2 station in the market, to KYW, which became a distant No.3 station in the market for much of the late 90s/early 00s. Of course, lot of KYW's low ratings happened because of CBS management: no success in the AM hour against Today, not so strong primetime or daytime, weak syndicated material for its O&Os, and keeping very old anchormen for its news-shows. It was not a problem of the station number, or calls.
It's only now with Dr.Phil, CBS primetime at #1, and younger Larry Mendte/Alycia Lane over Larry Kane, has KYW come up.
But KYW and WCAU are your typical EST network O&O., now much more like their NY flagship sister stations.
As for WCAU plodding along filling in new talk shows, Ellen HAS been successful on WCAU.
>
>
> > Back in late 1994/1995, there was a complex deal between
> NBC
> > and CBS to switch it's stations in Philadelphia, Denver,
> > Boston, and Salt Lake City. Around the same time, Fox then
>
> > started buying up VHF stations in big cities like Detroit,
>
> > St. Louis, Cleveland, Milwaukee etc. displacing the big
> > three to UHF(it matter at the time).
> >
> > A decade has passed, and in my opinion, this mostly
> happened
> > to be a big mistake on all sides. Big city stations such
> as
> > WWJ(a CBS O&O no less) in Detroit and KDNL in St. Louis no
>
> > longer have local newscasts. These new Fox stations like
> WJW
> > and WJBK have poor line-ups of newscasts and weak
> syndicated
> > programming. Stations like WCAU and KYW have weakened, and
>
> > KMGH in Denver remains unchanged...meaing they're still
> dead
> > last.
> >
> > Did I mention the confusion of viewers(like me when I
> lived
> > in Denver) who couldn't find when everything was on(KCNC
> did
> > a complete 180 on times for CBS soaps from when KMGH had
> > aired). Since no one ever talks about it today(it's
> probably
> > a good thing they don't), I believe that it has been a
> total
> > flop the big three, although Fox has has some success with
>
> > it.
> >
> > Anyone else have any opinions or remeber this mess?
> >
>
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SweetT8201
Guest
Re: Big network affliate swap-Did it flop?
> Some of the former CBS affiliates were able to once again
> carry their local NFL teams, thanks to Fox:
>
> WJBK (Detroit Lions)
> KDFW (Dallas Cowboys)
> WAGA (Atlanta Falcons)
> WITI (Green Bay Packers)
> KSAZ (Arizona Cardinals)
> WTVT (Tampa Bay Buccaneers)
And, on a somewhat different note, two other former CBS affiliates were able to once again carry their local NFL teams, but with NBC:
WHDH (New England Patriots, although on CBS they were home games against NFC teams)
WCAU (Philadelphia Eagles home games against AFC teams)
KUSA, which switched from ABC to NBC got to carry more, but most, if not all, Denver Broncos home games than with Monday Night Football or the Playoffs on ABC. WLUK, going from NBC to Fox, was able to carry more Green Bay Packers home games than otherwise home games against an AFC team on NBC.
> Some other stations that switched to Fox:
>
...
>
Wilmington, NC
WJKA 26 CBS to Fox (calls to WSFX)
no replacement CBS affiliate, until years later, when WILM-LP 10 picked up the CBS affiliation in 2000.
> As for other networks:
>
...
>
> Dallas three-way swap:
>
> KDFW/4 CBS to Fox
> KTVT/11 independent to CBS
> KDAF/33 Fox to independent
> to the WB
KXTX 39 had WB before KDAF, from the network's launch in January 1995 until the swap.
>
> Raleigh/Durham:
>
> WNCN/17 independent to NBC o&o
> WRDC/28 NBC to UPN
WNCN was actually WB before NBC -- and the market's first WB affiliate, from January to September 1995.
Jacksonville, FL:
WJKS 17 ABC to WB (calls to WJWB)
WJXX 25 signs on as new ABC affiliate
> Some of the former CBS affiliates were able to once again
> carry their local NFL teams, thanks to Fox:
>
> WJBK (Detroit Lions)
> KDFW (Dallas Cowboys)
> WAGA (Atlanta Falcons)
> WITI (Green Bay Packers)
> KSAZ (Arizona Cardinals)
> WTVT (Tampa Bay Buccaneers)
And, on a somewhat different note, two other former CBS affiliates were able to once again carry their local NFL teams, but with NBC:
WHDH (New England Patriots, although on CBS they were home games against NFC teams)
WCAU (Philadelphia Eagles home games against AFC teams)
KUSA, which switched from ABC to NBC got to carry more, but most, if not all, Denver Broncos home games than with Monday Night Football or the Playoffs on ABC. WLUK, going from NBC to Fox, was able to carry more Green Bay Packers home games than otherwise home games against an AFC team on NBC.
> Some other stations that switched to Fox:
>
...
>
Wilmington, NC
WJKA 26 CBS to Fox (calls to WSFX)
no replacement CBS affiliate, until years later, when WILM-LP 10 picked up the CBS affiliation in 2000.
> As for other networks:
>
...
>
> Dallas three-way swap:
>
> KDFW/4 CBS to Fox
> KTVT/11 independent to CBS
> KDAF/33 Fox to independent
> to the WB
KXTX 39 had WB before KDAF, from the network's launch in January 1995 until the swap.
>
> Raleigh/Durham:
>
> WNCN/17 independent to NBC o&o
> WRDC/28 NBC to UPN
WNCN was actually WB before NBC -- and the market's first WB affiliate, from January to September 1995.
Jacksonville, FL:
WJKS 17 ABC to WB (calls to WJWB)
WJXX 25 signs on as new ABC affiliate
Re: Big network affliate swap-Detroit FLOPPED
> [CBS] announced a plan to buy WGPR TV 62 a former
> Inovative Indy powerhouse and the first black owned media
> outlet in the USA,owned by the black masons religious
> organization that really had no concept of TV when they took
> all that talent and with the exception of "The Scene" dance
> show turned it from a powerhouse to a low budget version of
> public access TV,but they were trying..shows like "THE ARAB
> VOICE OF DETROIT" were popular,but barely seen with a weak
> signal.
Where WGPR is concerned -- innovative, yes; powerhouse, I don't think so. WKBD was the powerhouse indy in Detroit. WGPR was generally a low-budgeted, weak UHF indy from its 1975 sign-on until its purchase from CBS.
> [CBS] announced a plan to buy WGPR TV 62 a former
> Inovative Indy powerhouse and the first black owned media
> outlet in the USA,owned by the black masons religious
> organization that really had no concept of TV when they took
> all that talent and with the exception of "The Scene" dance
> show turned it from a powerhouse to a low budget version of
> public access TV,but they were trying..shows like "THE ARAB
> VOICE OF DETROIT" were popular,but barely seen with a weak
> signal.
Where WGPR is concerned -- innovative, yes; powerhouse, I don't think so. WKBD was the powerhouse indy in Detroit. WGPR was generally a low-budgeted, weak UHF indy from its 1975 sign-on until its purchase from CBS.
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