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Big stick in Central Florida?

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Who has the best signal? Is it 1059 Sunny (they claim you can hear them from Jacksonville to West Palm)? Is it 93.7 out of Ocala, they claim best signal from "I-4 to I-10"? Is it 97.5 WPCV in Lakeland, the only Flamethrower on that frequency? Perhaps 102 Jamz?

Anyone, Bueller, Anyone?
 
Has traditionally been 102 for me. And now with HD and living inland (DeLand) and working at the beach (Daytona) I have another way to see just by listening.

102's HD signal even at the beach is pretty rock solid. Whereas pretty much everyone else dropping the HD signal unless it's a good day for the bounce.
 
93.7 is in the middle of the state with no signal for the fish. They pull numbers in Ocala- Gainesville, Orlando, Tampa, Jacksonville, and Daytona Beach.
 
tanner said:
93.7 is in the middle of the state with no signal for the fish. They pull numbers in Ocala- Gainesville, Orlando, Tampa, Jacksonville, and Daytona Beach.

I agree. That has to be about the best signal in the entire state. Covers the entire northern half of the peninsula coast to coast. I am a frequent traveler up and down I-75 and I know that I can count on that signal from the north side of Tampa to the state line every time without fail.
 
I'd say it is a tie between WOGK 93.7 and WPCV 97.5 as they both cover the state coast-to-coast but in different regions. WOGK covers North Central and Central Florida quite well, while WPCV covers about the same square land miles in Central and South Central Florida.
 
In the old days, before these freqs were filled, I could hear BJ-105 all the way to Brunswick, Georgia on my frequent trips from Orlando to Pittsburgh. 105.9 went a bit farther in that direction. The reception wasn't perfect, of course, but you could tell what you were listening to.
 
101.9, 105.9 and 107.7 all operate from the same antenna, so should have the same coverage.

The biggest FM in the state is WHPT 102.5 Sarasota (Tampa). They are 100kw with the highest FM antenna in the state.
 
Best signal probably has to be 105.9...which I can frequently pick up on Hilton Head, SC at night along with most of the Jacksonville stations...and a local station on 106.1

Honorable mention:

97.5 which is good from St Augustine to Vero Beach.
99.3 which has to have one of the best C2's not on a mountain. Its a local signal in much of Orlando and makes frequent visits to SC's radio dial

Radio-X
 
This is a kinda-repeat post from another thread a couple of months ago....

WPCV 97.5 is the *only* 97.5 in all of FL, including translators & LPFM! With their location, it has quite a coverage!

cd
 
This is not a black & white question.

A lot of variables can give you multiple answers. Several factors such as weather, antenna design, geographic location, receiver, etc.

By saying 105.9 has the best signal, automatically puts the other two FMs, combined into that antenna, at the same power level, with the same playing field.

WPCV, WHPT, WLLD all have monster signals on monster towers. (WHPT gets hurt, unfortunatley, by that 102.5 translator in Orlando, which pretty much wipes WHPT out for a swaft around the city.) Up in Lake County, where I stayed last October, I heard WPCV and WLLD really clear, WHPT was mixing in and out via the translator. Unfortunatley my results were skewed by a nice tropo opening which was bringing me stations from Central Georgia and Louisiana as well.

WCFB is a very potent signal as well, being on a tall tower at 100kW. (I heard WCFB on the plane while still hearing North Carolina FMs)

And to the person who based the monster signal on an e-skip catch. Haha, that is a good one.
 
What about 93.3FLZ?
 
cd and Necrat both make excellent points here.

As someone who analyzes FM signals for a living sometimes, there are a lot of factors I take into consideration, and this thread has touched on several of them.

There's total coverage - what signal covers the largest area, period. WHPT wins that crown in Florida, being a 100 kW facility from the tallest FM tower around. But there's also total land area coverage, where WHPT (and any of the coastal stations) fall flat by virtue of how much of their signals are expended over water. And there's total population coverage, where again WHPT falls a little short because it's in such a rural area so far from the big population centers.

Then there's the question not just of signal coverage, but of penetration. That's less of a critical factor in a state like Florida, where the buildings are low-slung, but it can be a very big deal in a denser urban market like Boston or New York or Chicago. Just because a signal appears on paper to have 60 or even 70 dBu coverage of the urban core doesn't always mean it can be clearly heard there if it's coming from a more distant site outside that urban core. Even a few miles can make a big difference in a situation like that. In Florida, this plays out as the difference between a Riverview FM and a Holiday FM (97.1/97.9/105.5) in an area like downtown Tampa or southern Hillsborough County, or as the difference between the Bithlo FMs and the Orange City FMs (101.9/105.9/107.7) or WCFB in Kissimmee.

In a state like Florida with big signals and fairly closely-packed markets, just having a huge signal isn't always enough. WCFB, again, is a good example: sure, it's a beast of a class C signal from a tall tower, but it's so far north that much of that signal is effectively wasted outside the market. Sure, it's nice to be able to hear WCFB in Ocala or Palatka...but Cox doesn't sell ads in those places, and those advertisers aren't going to pay Orlando rates to reach whatever listeners might be tuning in there. If Cox were able to trade the huge WCFB signal for a slightly lesser signal better-centered over the market, it would surely do so in a heartbeat. Same thing for WPCV...yeah, you can hear it in both Tampa and Orlando, but that doesn't mean it can charge ad rates that match that reach.

And then there's the increasing real-world limitation of co- and adjacent-channel interference. As the FM dial gets ever more crowded, it's rare to find a big signal that's limited only by how far its own signal goes before petering out. Again, WHPT is a good example...it's still putting RF over parts of the Orlando market, but it's now blocked out of listenability by the 102.5 Orlando translator.

There's also this thing called "terrain," but that's not a factor in central Florida...

In practice, the good signal analysts will tell you that for any given market, there's often one "good site" from which several stations provide essentially equal coverage. For Orlando, that's Bithlo, and it's pretty hard to draw any meaningful distinction among the big FMs there - 92.3, 96.5, 105.1 are all pretty close to ideal for dense signal coverage of the entire Orlando market. The Orange City Cs (101.9, 105.9, 107.7) all come close, and what 106.7 (and even 95.3 and 98.9) lose in wide-area coverage of the market's fringes, they make up for with their more central location at the core of the market.

Same deal for Tampa - you want to be in Riverview if you can, and the FMs there are all on a very level playing field. 93.3, 101.5, 100.7, 103.5...they're all very close to identical, and all very close to perfect when it comes to full-market coverage.
 
Indeed I do...and thanks for catching that in time for me to make the edit window... ;D

(I should know better, too, having been in Orange Park just last year...)
 
In the 1980's I have stood on the 1500' platform of the Orange City tower and on the same on the Guy Gannett (now American) Tower in Bithlo. The difference between the two is you literally see Orlando city streets and the downtown buildings from Bithlo.

One cannot see even the Orlando skyline from Orange City. In fact, one can not see little beyond Lake Monroe. Therefore, for that reason and that of a coverage map, Scott Fybush is right -- the Bithlo stations have an advantage both into the Orlando metro but the Orlando TSA that includes Melbourne and Daytona. Marion County (Ocala) is not part of the Orlando TSA. Marion, however, is part of the TV DMA.

105.9's imaging is a little, ah, would you say, just a wee bit over the top. Forget the coverage brag, they claim to also be "Arbitron rated number one."

You know, I like to think I can work the Arbitron software pretty well, and darn, if I can find what or where they are winning. Number one may be someone's wishful thinking, or, "maybe if we just say it enough, maybe it will come true!"

Don't believe everything you hear on the radio!
 
I can get 101.9 reliably almost to Tallahassee. This has been repeatable on several trips at different times of the year and different times of the day. Receiver - Pioneer Supertuner 3D.
 
Tx said:
105.9's imaging is a little, ah, would you say, just a wee bit over the top. Forget the coverage brag, they claim to also be "Arbitron rated number one."

You know, I like to think I can work the Arbitron software pretty well, and darn, if I can find what or where they are winning. Number one may be someone's wishful thinking, or, "maybe if we just say it enough, maybe it will come true!"

Don't believe everything you hear on the radio!

Ya gotta think out of the box...they're #1 of all Orlando stations broadcasting on 105.9! :p
 
I noticed, if WCFB has such as crappy signal to the Southwest of Orlando why is Star 94.5 near the top of the Lakeland market for Orlando stations. Last month it was tied with Hot 101.5 out of Tampa. Which provides a solid City-Grade signal over the Lakeland and Winter Haven metro. 94-5 doesn't even provide city-grade coverage to Orlandos southern suburbs. No less Lakeland. Maybe the lack of a Urban Contemporary station in that area makes people listen to 94.5. Despite a weak signal some people will attempt to listen to a particular radio station. Especially if there is no other stations on the dial with that format,

http://www.radio-info.com/markets/lakeland-winter-haven

However then again Car Radios are a lot more sensitive than 15 years ago. Even signals right on the fringes can come in clear on newer audio systems. (Unless you bought a $40 Dual-Receiver from Wal-Mart for the ability to play CD's and MP3's.)
 
My vote for big signal would be WPCV. Even though the station is not a full Class-C (Its a C0) its signal is right in the Center of the state. Not to mention the 97.5 frequency is clear.

Oh and about the comment about WCFB advertsing in Ocala or Palatka it could be done. It would be a hard sell but could be done. WPCV advertises for Lakeland/ Winter-Haven but also for Tampa and Orlando.

I don't know about a town as small as Palatka but maybe Cox could start dual advertising WCFB with Ocala. Plenty of people in Marion, Sumter and Lake that listen to Star. The signal is practically local from Leesburg to The Villages, Ocala and right on down to Wildwood.

"From Ocala to Cocoa Beach, We're Central Floridas home for R&B and Classic Soul, Star 94.5."

"From the Beaches of Daytona to Inverness we're Star 94.5."
 
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