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Bill Bennett - gambling wasn't enough

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Lets see - no, media matters wasn't taking him out of context and even the daily show picked up this guys words.....talk about saying something stupid on the radio when racial tension has been accelerated due to Katrina...leave it to bennett...

Even Rush and Hannity aren't this tone deaf.........

http://mediamatters.org/items/200509280006 = if you want to hear the audio

From the September 28 broadcast of Salem Radio Network's Bill Bennett's Morning in America:

CALLER: I noticed the national media, you know, they talk a lot about the loss of revenue, or the inability of the government to fund Social Security, and I was curious, and I've read articles in recent months here, that the abortions that have happened since Roe v. Wade, the lost revenue from the people who have been aborted in the last 30-something years, could fund Social Security as we know it today. And the media just doesn't -- never touches this at all.

BENNETT: Assuming they're all productive citizens?

CALLER: Assuming that they are. Even if only a portion of them were, it would be an enormous amount of revenue.

BENNETT: Maybe, maybe, but we don't know what the costs would be, too. I think as -- abortion disproportionately occur among single women? No.

CALLER: I don't know the exact statistics, but quite a bit are, yeah.

BENNETT: All right, well, I mean, I just don't know. I would not argue for the pro-life position based on this, because you don't know. I mean, it cuts both -- you know, one of the arguments in this book Freakonomics that they make is that the declining crime rate, you know, they deal with this hypothesis, that one of the reasons crime is down is that abortion is up. Well --

CALLER: Well, I don't think that statistic is accurate.

BENNETT: Well, I don't think it is either, I don't think it is either, because first of all, there is just too much that you don't know. But I do know that it's true that if you wanted to reduce crime, you could -- if that were your sole purpose, you could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down. That would be an impossible, ridiculous, and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down. So these far-out, these far-reaching, extensive extrapolations are, I think, tricky.



Even the right has to think this is indefensible and Salem should be doing something to punish, hurt or otherwise apologize....i would hope.....
 
> Even the right has to think this is indefensible and Salem
> should be doing something to punish, hurt or otherwise
> apologize....i would hope.....

Like sparing us their programming, perhaps?
 
Re: Bill Bennett - Link for Alternate Browsers and Operating Systems...

Randi Rhodes and Ed Schultz discussed this at length today. Here's another link for users of alternative browsers with other operating systems:

http://mediamatters.org/items/200509280006

And, you wrote:

> Even the right has to think this is indefensible and Salem
> should be doing something to punish, hurt or otherwise
> apologize....i would hope.....

The front page to MediaMAtter.Org includes reactions of Howard Dean and Harry Reid:

http://mediamatters.org/

Observation: Interesting that several talk programs today went into great detail about Tom Delay, yet few listeners to talk programs understand the issues involved in Texas politics.

Topics involving illegal activity in politics generate little listener interest. I thought of starting a thread about this, since I found myself tuning out to a show that I generally listen carefully to today...when Tom DeLay and Texas politics were discussed at length by some legal expert guest on a national liberal show.

In sharp contrast, discussions of the Bill Bennett issue will attract listeners, likewise with the Gov. Arnold veto of the gay marriage bill.
 
Bill Bennett's dumb remarks

> BENNETT: Well, I don't think it is either, I don't think it
> is either, because first of all, there is just too much that
> you don't know. But I do know that it's true that if you
> wanted to reduce crime, you could -- if that were your sole
> purpose, you could abort every black baby in this country,
> and your crime rate would go down. That would be an
> impossible, ridiculous, and morally reprehensible thing to
> do, but your crime rate would go down. So these far-out,
> these far-reaching, extensive extrapolations are, I think,
> tricky.

I think it was in bad taste, but his qualifier was OK.

He's obviously NOT advocating doing this.

So what's the problem?

And we could give Israel to the Arabs and make the price
of gas go down.

Does saying this mean I advocate this? HELL NO!

73s from 954<P ID="signature">______________
<center>The Classic Jazz Quartet</center></P>
 
Re: Bill Bennett's dumb remarks

> I think it was in bad taste, but his qualifier was OK.
>
> He's obviously NOT advocating doing this.
>
> So what's the problem?
>
> And we could give Israel to the Arabs and make the price
> of gas go down.
>
> Does saying this mean I advocate this? HELL NO!
>
> 73s from 954
>


The problem is his remarks

"if you wanted to reduce crime, you could -- if that were your sole purpose, you could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down."

That is totally racist. That's why it's a problem. Why not abort every white baby since white people commit lots of crime? Bennet singled out blacks. Not much different than Adolf Hitler saying the way to fix Germany was to get rid of the Jews. Only difference is Hitler acted out on his thoughts. Do I think Bennet is a racist? Probably not but he is a jerk for sure who deserves to be rebuked.
 
Re: Bill Bennett - Here We Go Again

> Lets see - no, media matters wasn't taking him out of context and even the daily show picked up this guys words.....

Wow "even The Daily Show"!

Of course they left out the context.

http://newsbusters.org/node/1602<P ID="signature">______________
"A man is about as big as the things that make him angry" - Winston Churchill

<a href="http://saltydog.5gigs.com">
The Salty Dog</a>
</P>
 
Re: Bill Bennett - Here We Go Again

> > Lets see - no, media matters wasn't taking him out of
> context and even the daily show picked up this guys
> words.....
>
> Wow "even The Daily Show"!
>
> Of course they left out the context.
>
> http://newsbusters.org/node/1602
>


They didn't leave out the context. They used his exact words and even if he thinks the idea of aborting all black babies is morally reprehensible, it was racist to single out black people as if white people don't commit crimes. Too bad Bill Bennet can't be aborted.
 
Re: Bill Bennett's dumb remarks

Robert, you took one part of his comment out of context. Please re-read the entire transcript portion in the first post. In my reading he was attempting (a poor) reductio ad absurdum arguement, not advocating racial fetal genocide.

That said, I have no idea what point he is trying to make.

This is why I think giving talk shows to lawyers, bureaucrats, politicians and stand-up comedians who are qualified only by their viewpoints and their ability to talk loud and fast - rather than experienced broadcasters - is not a good idea. In this regard I consider Salem and Air America twins, rather than opposites.


>
>
> The problem is his remarks
>
> "if you wanted to reduce crime, you could -- if that were
> your sole purpose, you could abort every black baby in this
> country, and your crime rate would go down."
>
> That is totally racist. That's why it's a problem. Why not
> abort every white baby since white people commit lots of
> crime? Bennet singled out blacks. Not much different than
> Adolf Hitler saying the way to fix Germany was to get rid of
> the Jews. Only difference is Hitler acted out on his
> thoughts. Do I think Bennet is a racist? Probably not but
> he is a jerk for sure who deserves to be rebuked.
>
 
Re: Bill Bennett's dumb remarks

> Robert, you took one part of his comment out of context.
> Please re-read the entire transcript portion in the first
> post. In my reading he was attempting (a poor) reductio ad
> absurdum arguement, not advocating racial fetal genocide.
>
> That said, I have no idea what point he is trying to make.
>
>

I did read the transcript. I don't think he was advocating racial fetal genocide either. I do think however he owes all black people an apology for singling them out. White people commit crimes but he would never say you could reduce crime by aborting white people.
 
Re: Bill Bennett's dumb remarks

This whole attitude of "put anyone in front of a microphone and let them do a talk show" is ridiculous, but widespread. <P ID="signature">______________
Greetings from Ohio-where the governor wants everyone to know he's sorry.</P>
 
Re: Bill Bennett's dumb remarks

The arguement has been made by some social scientists that...
Crime statistics show a greater proportion of Blacks are arrested and convicted of violent crimes than other groups. (Explanations for this vary.)
Young Black Males are the most crime-prone segment of the population.
That the crime rate is down and this may be attributable to Roe v Wade.
Minority/Lower Income women have access to abortion and therefore fewer have babies that grow up as disadvantaged and therefore crime-prone youth.

Bennett was not the first to say something like this. I don't much like the arguement but I believe hypotheses should be scientifically proven or disproven, not accepted or rejected because they do or do not fit how we would like the world to be. I specifically don't think a field of inquiry should be prohibited just because we don't like some possible implications.

>
> I did read the transcript. I don't think he was advocating
> racial fetal genocide either. I do think however he owes all
> black people an apology for singling them out. White people
> commit crimes but he would never say you could reduce crime
> by aborting white people.
>
 
P.T.B. proven correct once again!

> Robert, you took one part of his comment out of context.
> Please re-read the entire transcript portion in the first
> post. In my reading he was attempting (a poor) reductio ad
> absurdum arguement, not advocating racial fetal genocide.
>
> That said, I have no idea what point he is trying to make.

The point most proven by this whole flap is that Phineas Taylor
Barnum was correct: There's no such thing as bad publicity.
I had never thought of Bennet in a talk-radio context before
this erupted. Now I find myself seeking out his show. Not
because I necessarily agree with any of his points but because
you've all made me curious.

So, I guess he should be thankful for all his detractors 'cause
they're going to bring him hordes of new listeners, some of
whom might stick around.

It wasn't Barnum who added the next part of the equation which
has to be inverted...or turned inside out...for entertainment:

"If you like what you hear, please tell me"

"If you don't like what you hear, please complain loudly to
as many people as possible. Oh, and could you make it shrill
and bitter too? Then they'll be sure to listen!".


BTW: Solve the whole medicare/social security mess in two
simple steps:

1. Raise the SS/Medicare age to 70 immediately.

2. Outlaw life for (euthanize) anyone who attains their 69th
birthday.

Makes as much sense as this flap.....maybe more!

Now, who has the agates to say THAT on a talk show!

<P ID="signature">______________
"If you wish to avoid seeing a fool you must first break your looking glass"
--Francois Rabelais</P>
 
Re: Bill Bennett - Here We Go Again

> > Lets see - no, media matters wasn't taking him out of
> context and even the daily show picked up this guys
> words.....
>
> Wow "even The Daily Show"!
>
> Of course they left out the context.
>
> http://newsbusters.org/node/1602


Everytime and I do mean everytime one of these hacks says something out of
line, its always context (unless you are Howard Stern or Opie and Anthony...its a joke then)...they misspoke....their tongue slipped....never take responsibility but let a liberal say something you don't like..

I really for once didn't think people would argue FOR this lunkhead Bennett..but this guy moved an argument about bad abortion ideas to aborting black babies to reduce crime === thats better than U-Haul when it comes to moves...if the right defends this guy then I have to say the right has crossed the line of no return...
 
Re: Bill Bennett's dumb remarks

> The arguement has been made by some social scientists
> that...
> Crime statistics show a greater proportion of Blacks are
> arrested and convicted of violent crimes than other groups.
> (Explanations for this vary.)
> Young Black Males are the most crime-prone segment of the
> population.
> That the crime rate is down and this may be attributable to
> Roe v Wade.
> Minority/Lower Income women have access to abortion and
> therefore fewer have babies that grow up as disadvantaged
> and therefore crime-prone youth.

That sound you hear is the PC PD pounding on your door.

Those flashes of light outside your windows are sunlight glinting
off the pitchforks brandished by Forces For Good In The Community.

Oh...and that smoke you smell?

How DARE you use logic to try to ridicule their entire belief
system?????

/scarcasm mode off

But only for now....<P ID="signature">______________
"If you wish to avoid seeing a fool you must first break your looking glass"
--Francois Rabelais</P>
 
Re: P.T.B. proven correct once again!

I think PT Barnum had a better quote for those who flock to this guy after listening to this disgusting statement...."There's a sucker born every minute"

and to go a step further, I like Scott Adams (Dilbert)'s variation of the Barnum quote....

"There's an idiot born every minute". => This one goes to the people that defend this nonsense.



> The point most proven by this whole flap is that Phineas
> Taylor
> Barnum was correct: There's no such thing as bad publicity.
>
> I had never thought of Bennet in a talk-radio context before
>
> this erupted. Now I find myself seeking out his show. Not
> because I necessarily agree with any of his points but
> because
> you've all made me curious.
>
> So, I guess he should be thankful for all his detractors
> 'cause
> they're going to bring him hordes of new listeners, some of
>
> whom might stick around.
>
> It wasn't Barnum who added the next part of the equation
> which
> has to be inverted...or turned inside out...for
> entertainment:
>
> "If you like what you hear, please tell me"
>
> "If you don't like what you hear, please complain loudly to
>
> as many people as possible. Oh, and could you make it
> shrill
> and bitter too? Then they'll be sure to listen!".
>
>
> BTW: Solve the whole medicare/social security mess in two
> simple steps:
>
> 1. Raise the SS/Medicare age to 70 immediately.
>
> 2. Outlaw life for (euthanize) anyone who attains their
> 69th
> birthday.
>
> Makes as much sense as this flap.....maybe more!
>
> Now, who has the agates to say THAT on a talk show!
>
 
> Has Salem issued a statement? Will they fire him?

to borrow Les's term

/frustration-sarcasm mode on

Id like to see it but I wasn't calling for it...because people put this in the politically correct catagory or play this down as not a problem .....he certainly will get a bump in the "angry white man" ratings.....the ones who believe the right has their best interest in mind, the ones that claim to be democrats but vote republican, and of course the ones that elect David Vitter and David Duke in Lousiana....and Saxby Chambliss in Georgia. And of course the new poster child for this group, Zell Miller.

oops....do i have to apologize now...or am i being politically incorrect

/frustration-sarcasm mode off

Lets talk about flowers and sunshine now......i like tulips...
 
Re: Bill Bennett - Here We Go Again

> >Too bad Bill Bennet can't be aborted.
>
> Nice "progressive" way of looking at it.
>

What else would you expect from those that always bleat "tolerance" and "understanding?"

Just disgusting.

- nate81<P ID="signature">______________
Nathan Obral
University Partnership Representative: LCCC Student Senate, Elyria, Ohio

Soon-to-be-webmaster - http://www.lcccradio.com</P>
 
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